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Pandemona
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Pandemona
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
 By the way if you haven't heard yet, Bisu is rumored to be playing his last Brood War game today before having to go into his Military service that is compulsory in Korea. So this might be the last time you see Bisu play the game  | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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Twinkle Toes
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On November 07 2017 18:51 Pandemona wrote: Erm i hope i did this right By the way if you haven't heard yet, Bisu is rumored to be playing his last Brood War game today before having to go into his Military service that is compulsory in Korea. So this might be the last time you see Bisu play the game FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Silentenigma
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NoS-Craig
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I think Larva can battle through and get 3rd place. It will be hard going though against a PvZ master. Glad I get to watch this before Bisu goes off to the military. Salute to you Master Bisu. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
Larva wins the next ASL already. | ||
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carcturus
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FlaShFTW
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On November 07 2017 19:04 carcturus wrote: maybe this match would be more interesting than the final match, result of which is easily expected i agree. surprised not many people are watching. | ||
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Piste
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Sayle
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Grettin
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On November 07 2017 19:05 Piste wrote: afreeca does not load for me.. anyone else have the same problem? Try HTML5 or Flash, whichever you aren't using already. Click the Gear and change Player Type. | ||
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Grettin
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On November 07 2017 19:07 GodiGisel wrote: And when will Bisu play again after the millitary service? How much time he will spend there? 2 years is the norm. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On November 07 2017 19:07 GodiGisel wrote: And when will Bisu play again after the millitary service? How much time he will spend there? Think it is minimum 12 months service like what StarCraft 2 player MMA had. Hopefully he will be out this time next year but no one knows if Bisu will want to play again after 12 months Oh MMA only had to do 12 didn't he or am i wrong xD | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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On November 07 2017 19:06 Sayle wrote: GOGO LARVA are u still with fever? | ||
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Grettin
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On November 07 2017 19:08 Pandemona wrote: Think it is minimum 12 months service like what StarCraft 2 player MMA had. Hopefully he will be out this time next year but no one knows if Bisu will want to play again after 12 months Oh MMA only had to do 12 didn't he or am i wrong xD Dunno about MMA, but it depends on the branch you are assigned to and the length varies from 21-24 months. Then there is the civil service option that could be even longer afaik. | ||
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Silentenigma
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FlaShFTW
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On November 07 2017 19:15 Ej_ wrote: Can someine LR? Dont have Afreeca app on phone bisu top left, larva bottom right, fighting spirit. bisu forge first, larva 12 hatch, bisu cannon rush successful, hatch goes down, larva ggs. bisu 1-0 | ||
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Neneu
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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Silentenigma
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On November 07 2017 19:16 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: man why streams not working -_- Try proxy maybe?It works fine for me no lag. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6505 Posts
http://play.afreecatv.com/aslenglish this one works well | ||
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A.Alm
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edit: thanks | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
On November 07 2017 19:19 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: is not proxy,https is not working looks like. http://play.afreecatv.com/aslenglish this one works well That fixed it for me. Not a big fan of https not working. | ||
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Piste
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Shock710
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Liquid`Jinro
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On November 07 2017 19:21 Shock710 wrote: where is tasteless Saw on twitter that his voice is too sore from casting to Blizzcon but he'll be ready for the finals. | ||
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NoS-Craig
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gravity
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. Wish they stuck to Twitch, doubt I'm even gonna be able to watch the final at this rate :/.edit: watching on Flash's stream instead. | ||
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Breach_hu
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Grettin
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On November 07 2017 19:34 gravity wrote: Afreeca completely dead for me right now . Wish they stuck to Twitch, doubt I'm even gonna be able to watch the final at this rate :/.Just buffering or the stream doesn't open? Have you tried changing your player type (gear icon) or tried this link? http://play.afreecatv.com/aslenglish | ||
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gravity
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On November 07 2017 19:36 Grettin wrote: Just buffering or the stream doesn't open? Have you tried changing your player type (great icon) or tried this link? http://play.afreecatv.com/aslenglish That's where I was, but the screen was totally white after trying to refresh. Fortunately I've been able to watch on a Korean stream. | ||
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Grettin
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Grettin
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gg larva | ||
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feckless
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On November 07 2017 19:43 DOgMeAt wrote: possibly the best game of this asl so far? Dunno about that... | ||
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Breach_hu
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TT1
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PhilGood2DaY
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wtf | ||
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NoS-Craig
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On November 07 2017 19:35 Breach_hu wrote: Ugh, what a complete suicide by Bisu. I feel my English stream cut off right before this happened. Bisu seemed to be going so well before my stream died. | ||
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oEkY
Germany648 Posts
On November 07 2017 19:43 DOgMeAt wrote: possibly the best game of this asl so far? definitely recommendable, but i think Mind vs Rush cant be topped this season  | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4121 Posts
On November 07 2017 19:44 Breach_hu wrote: Bisu had 0 chance after he suicided the 200 army he had. I think some ppl aren't giving Larva enough credit for his defending, most other Zergs would have lost there. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On November 07 2017 19:50 BLinD-RawR wrote: omg thanks pande I noticed you needed a day off it seemed :D Plus all my threads are automatic so i hardly do much :3 | ||
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Soulforged
Latvia914 Posts
Bisu almost did it but last engagement in his long initial break attempt went bad, with goons fighting ling/hydra and a clump of zealots melting to lurkers. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 07 2017 19:52 Pandemona wrote: I noticed you needed a day off it seemed :D Plus all my threads are automatic so i hardly do much :3 lets be honest, I didn't need a day off, I just forgot. | ||
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chongu
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On November 07 2017 19:52 _Animus_ wrote: English stream doesnt load for me. Same here : \ | ||
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Piste
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On November 07 2017 19:36 Grettin wrote: Just buffering or the stream doesn't open? Have you tried changing your player type (gear icon) or tried this link? http://play.afreecatv.com/aslenglish Could someone help me find the gear icon so I could switch to HTML5-player? I used to have the option in the corner of the player, but now the only gear icon I can find is above the chat screen, no player option there. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On November 07 2017 19:53 BLinD-RawR wrote: lets be honest, I didn't need a day off, I just forgot. No worries, now you get to relax and watch Bisu last match | ||
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CakeSauc3
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On November 07 2017 19:56 Pandemona wrote: No worries, now you get to relax and watch Bisu last match Did he announce this is the end for him? I thought ASL was squeaking in one more tourney before the big pro gamers go into the military. | ||
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doomdonker
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NoS-Craig
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Being able to hear the crowd reactions is awesome. I might just stick with the Korean stream. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On November 07 2017 19:58 CakeSauc3 wrote: Did he announce this is the end for him? I thought ASL was squeaking in one more tourney before the big pro gamers go into the military. No he hasn't yet, our korean insider KHJ said that today is his last match so he might announce afterwards | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
On November 07 2017 19:59 Dante08 wrote: Bisu doesn't seem interested in this lol losing first 2 corsairs well 3rd place is not valuable anyways, but at least me this time im hyped for this match | ||
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CakeSauc3
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On November 07 2017 20:01 Pandemona wrote: No he hasn't yet, our korean insider KHJ said that today is his last match so he might announce afterwards Oh ok thanks DAMMIT I'M SAD NOW | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4121 Posts
Guys try this link | ||
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Grettin
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On November 07 2017 19:56 Piste wrote: Could someone help me find the gear icon so I could switch to HTML5-player? I used to have the option in the corner of the player, but now the only gear icon I can find is above the chat screen, no player option there. Left from the quality option (Source). There's a text "Player Type" and you can click the text in blue to change between HTML5 and flash. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/x9IDrbK.png) | ||
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Grettin
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On November 07 2017 20:06 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: whats the score atm? 1-1. Game 3 atm. e. Bisu wins G3. | ||
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Piste
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On November 07 2017 20:02 Grettin wrote: Left from the quality option (Source). There's a text "Player Type" and you can click the text in blue to change between HTML5 and flash. Well this is strange, there is no such option for me! It is completely missing lol. I'm on my old laptop so maybe i have some update missing. Thank you anyways | ||
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VioleTAK
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Absolutely amazing! | ||
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chongu
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LG)Sabbath
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On November 07 2017 20:07 Silentenigma wrote: Wtf he killed like 30 drones in 3 different bases. Sick multiple attacks at the same time, it's what makes Bisu so good | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
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On November 07 2017 20:07 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: it doesnt looks to me they are really trying their best,im getting bored watching this -_- lol? game two was amazing.. and no offense sir but if u ever played 1/10 as good as larva did in game 2 id be surprised -_- | ||
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Grettin
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On November 07 2017 20:07 Piste wrote: Well this is strange, there is no such option for me! It is completely missing lol. I'm on my old laptop so maybe i have some update missing. Thank you anyways Hmm. Does your afreeca page look like this? (http://play.afreecatv.com/ASLEnglish). ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/BXeEusq.jpg) Are you using Firefox? | ||
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Netto.
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On November 07 2017 20:07 Piste wrote: Well this is strange, there is no such option for me! It is completely missing lol. I'm on my old laptop so maybe i have some update missing. Thank you anyways If you watch on teamliquid you won't have this option. Enter afreeca website. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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On November 07 2017 20:10 MaGic~PhiL wrote: lol? game two was amazing.. and no offense sir but if u ever played 1/10 as good as larva did in game 2 id be surprised -_- suicide 200 army can be call amazing ? but yeah i agree that larva did play really well in game 2.game 3 just both making mistake after mistake. | ||
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Netto.
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On November 07 2017 20:13 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: suicide 200 army can be call amazing ? but yeah i agree that larva did play really well in game 2.game 3 just both making mistake after mistake. Why are you watching then? you should have already quit after game 1 where Larva lost to cannon rush. | ||
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Piste
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On November 07 2017 20:11 Grettin wrote: Hmm. Does your afreeca page look like this? (http://play.afreecatv.com/ASLEnglish). Are you using Firefox? It looks almost like that, but without the player type option. But at least the flash player is working Yup it's firefox.![[image loading]](https://preview.ibb.co/cD3xCb/afreeca.png) upload pictures | ||
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Grettin
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On November 07 2017 20:23 Piste wrote: It looks almost like that, but without the player type option. But at least the flash player is working Yup it's firefox.upload pictures Must be because of Firefox then. I didn't have the gear either. Browser/site is forcing me to use Flash instead of HTML5 with Firefox. Anyway, glad it works! | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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LOL | ||
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feckless
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On November 07 2017 20:32 DOgMeAt wrote: feels like bisu missed his timing attack window I think he had it. But his zealots were as aimless as his dragoons' shots. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
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On November 07 2017 20:13 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: suicide 200 army can be call amazing ? but yeah i agree that larva did play really well in game 2.game 3 just both making mistake after mistake. u are a one of the greatest at theory.. u are talking like you won couple of OSLs what is wrong with you.. | ||
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Grettin
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lets go bisuu | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
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lovely | ||
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r.Evo
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Good farewell series. | ||
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NoS-Craig
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I thought Larva could take this series, but congrats to Bisu. Great win by him and nice to get a final series win before the military. | ||
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traxamillion
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VioleTAK
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Words can never explain how important you were/are for BW. Your games are pure joy to watch. Heart of Protoss. | ||
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Shock710
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I always thought they were pretty much fluent in korean | ||
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chrisolo
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ggwp | ||
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Grettin
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On November 07 2017 20:48 Shock710 wrote: How good are artosis, tasteless and rapid at korean? havnt they been living in korea awhile, especially artosis he has his family there i assume his daughter is going to korean kindergarden and such. Why not watch the Flash vods without subs I always thought they were pretty much fluent in korean Afaik Artosis and Tasteless get by, but they still get translations to their ear. Wolf is most likely the best foreign caster who can speak the language well enough and can actually do interviews in Korean. | ||
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chrisolo
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On November 07 2017 20:50 Grettin wrote: Afaik Artosis and Tasteless get by, but they still get translations to their ear. Wolf is most likely the best foreign caster who can speak the language well enough and can actually do interviews in Korean. Wow that is pretty interesting. I would really think that if you live there for so many years and have a wife and a kid, you would want to be fluent in Korean. I mean it's hard for caucasians to learn asian languages (and the other way around too), but I think it should be possible in a few years. | ||
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NoS-Craig
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Happy to see Rapid to, he's gotten so much better since I first heard him cast. | ||
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On November 07 2017 20:57 juvenal wrote: Sucks that there's no proper retirement ceremony for Bisu like there was for Yellow or Reach, he deserved one. End of an era. He's not retiring he's going to the army | ||
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TT1
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Well he's gonna be gone for 2 years =/. He'll be ~30-31 when he comes back, right? Coming back at that age and trying to get back into BW (at a super high lvl) won't be an easy thing to do. | ||
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VioleTAK
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I'm sure that if he does indeed come back or returns to stream post-service he'll have a big following, but I think he has given us his best years, and it's been a total blast. If anyone in Korea will organize some kind of collective thingy (like was done for Jaedong way back then) I'm totally in. | ||
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Piste
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On November 07 2017 22:07 NoS-Craig wrote: I do worry for the BW scene now that Bisu and possibly JD+ others are going to military. Has Flash even done his service yet? Nope I don't think Flash has done his service yet. | ||
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Valikyr
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It's a pretty good game to end your pro-gaming career on (if that turns out to be his last one) | ||
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truth_seeker
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The amount of money he is making in these tournaments is insane. Just add all his winnings till one year back and you will see what a comfortable life his BW career has secured him. Also, don't forget that he is possibly the largest BW streamer out there. I have not seen anyone else pull the number of live viewers he is pulling when he goes live. If there is anyone with very little incentive to give up on competing in BW is Bisu. | ||
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Bisu-Fan
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Bisu 5ever | ||
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KobraKay
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Sad about Bisu's goodbye but still, this was known for a few weeks, one had a little bit of time to prepare. Yeah Forget it is still sad despite me not being the biggest of Bisu's fans. | ||
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Barneyk
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Larva played fantastically at times but Bisus tenacity was just to much in the end. | ||
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ajmbek
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SlayerS_BunkiE
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Who says you gotta break zerg? Wait for them to try and break you and then attack... GG Bisu Take notes Rain | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On November 07 2017 21:01 Iplaythings wrote: Bisu delivering beautiful PvZ as one of his final games is almost poetic. So true. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
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i really enjoyed the series. | ||
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Miragee
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Couldn't care less about the finals after this. Indeed. | ||
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ShowTheLights
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1669 Posts
On November 08 2017 11:01 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: So this is how you play against turtle zerg. Who says you gotta break zerg? Wait for them to try and break you and then attack... GG Bisu Take notes Rain Wait for him to get the best army in the game of 200/200 with delifers and crack lings? No thanks./ Bisu won because of his incredible harass, control and multi-tasking. Not because he sat on his ass and waited for Larva. | ||
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Miragee
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On November 08 2017 12:15 ShowTheLights wrote: Wait for him to get the best army in the game of 200/200 with delifers and crack lings? No thanks./ Bisu won because of his incredible harass, control and multi-tasking. Not because he sat on his ass and waited for Larva. Protoss honestly has the stronger 200/200 army. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
Looking forward to having him back from military service. His dedication has added so much to BW, especially as the recent post-KeSPA scene has gotten off the ground. He plays Protoss like nobody else. It was great to see him end this chapter on a high note. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Game 4 on Gladiator, Larva recovered well after he lost all those lurkers and ate that huge storm drop that killed lots of workers at his 3rd/4th. Problem is, he kept trying to break Bisu's fourth and in turn, had barely an army to defend his mineral only and subsequent expansions = gg.WP by both. Really enjoyed the last game so hopefully both were somewhat satisfied though poor larva T.T | ||
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Qikz
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On November 08 2017 13:12 Miragee wrote: Protoss honestly has the stronger 200/200 army. Yup, Reaver, Archon, Templar just beats everything pretty much. It's just so hard to actually make it to that composition, but it melts everything zerg has even with swarm. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
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On November 08 2017 12:15 ShowTheLights wrote: Wait for him to get the best army in the game of 200/200 with delifers and crack lings? No thanks./ Bisu won because of his incredible harass, control and multi-tasking. Not because he sat on his ass and waited for Larva. Larva didnt have swarm and cracklings? And I’m not saying you autowin by doing that. But when the best toss (and best PvZ) in the world cant break through a turtled zerg with a 50-90 supply advantage, and wins a game without breaking the zerg and allowing it to max out, that has to tell you something. | ||
disciple
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Also, lets be real, if he decides to play again in 2 years he will still be one of the best in the world. | ||
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ReTr0[p.S]
Argentina1590 Posts
On November 08 2017 19:18 Qikz wrote: Yup, Reaver, Archon, Templar just beats everything pretty much. It's just so hard to actually make it to that composition, but it melts everything zerg has even with swarm. It does to an extent. The strength of Protoss is in small numbers, while the strength of Zerg is in large numbers. While Protoss may melt everything at the beginning with such a composition, a continuing aggression by Zerg will eventually break that down, specially with cracklings/swarm/plagu. You also have to take into account the cost of rebuilding such a composition in the late game, for protoss it's almost impossible, while for zerg it's rather affordable. | ||
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Soulforged
Latvia914 Posts
On November 08 2017 19:18 Qikz wrote: Yup, Reaver, Archon, Templar just beats everything pretty much. It's just so hard to actually make it to that composition, but it melts everything zerg has even with swarm. It is a fair matchup against sunk spore lurk, though. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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mcmascote
Brazil1575 Posts
On November 08 2017 11:01 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: So this is how you play against turtle zerg. Who says you gotta break zerg? Wait for them to try and break you and then attack... GG Bisu Take notes Rain Did you watch the game? If so, try to recall how Bisu's got his advantage on that game. He tried to break Larva's natural, attacking the hat and while he was doing it Larva was forced to send reinforcements from the other natural. That's how you force trades as a P. On other maps the Z would wait for the toss to be fully committed to the sunken line to send reinforcements, but Gladiator is too big and if you wait you wont have the timing to sandwich the toss army. He put his units close to his natural to do the sandwich but Bisu caught that in the way. How that happened? Because Bisu was attacking larva's static defense. After that Bisu tried to break the empty main's natural Larva had taken. He fully committed there killing 8 or so lurkers, a lot of lings and hydras until larva managed to stop it with a nydus to reinforce. Imagine if Bisu had waited for the nydus+adrenal to pop in the game. He would get raped. His 2star corsair didn't do much because it was scouted, his initial drops didn't do anything, etc, What won him the game was attacking the turtle zerg. | ||
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mcmascote
Brazil1575 Posts
On November 08 2017 13:12 Miragee wrote: Protoss honestly has the stronger 200/200 army. Arguably. I disagree, but one thing you can't disagree is that Zerg's mobility is immensely superior. 2 groups of adrenal lings can destroy a toss base in seconds, add a defiler and it can erase a toss expo in less than seconds.It takes a lot of time to make the perfect D (storms+cann+reavers) and on a high level match you'll only achieve that D by forcing the Z playing defensively. | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
if i remember correctly he stated in the R8 it would be his last official tournament so what any help? (btw im pretty devastated i found bisu one of the most entertaining characters on afreeca and also one of the most passionate in terms of staying true to himself, he has always spoken his mind never censored himself he was one of the first to say his heart is with star and not sc2 and was disappointed with the gameplay of SC2 and the fans that left SC2 duo to poor gameplay. never forget !!onlystar!! ) | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2544 Posts
On November 09 2017 06:08 onlystar wrote: i dont understand in the last interview after the win artosis/rapid said he was leaving the door open to ASL5 or at least implying he said something along the words of ''thinking he wont make asl5'' instead of stating asl4 was his last official tournament?? can anyone clearify if i remember correctly he stated in the R8 it would be his last official tournament so what any help? (btw im pretty devastated i found bisu one of the most entertaining characters on afreeca and also one of the most passionate in terms of staying true to himself, he has always spoken his mind never censored himself he was one of the first to say his heart is with star and not sc2 and was disappointed with the gameplay of SC2 and the fans that left SC2 duo to poor gameplay. never forget !!onlystar!! ) There will be an ASL5 right after ASL4 because "some popular players are going to the military this winter". This is probably Bisu and Jaedong, so perhaps they can squeeze a last tournament before going out? | ||
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Miragee
8474 Posts
On November 08 2017 23:45 ReTr0[p.S] wrote: It does to an extent. The strength of Protoss is in small numbers, while the strength of Zerg is in large numbers. While Protoss may melt everything at the beginning with such a composition, a continuing aggression by Zerg will eventually break that down, specially with cracklings/swarm/plagu. You also have to take into account the cost of rebuilding such a composition in the late game, for protoss it's almost impossible, while for zerg it's rather affordable. The strength of Protoss is in small numbers? No, absolutely no. There is a reason Protoss needs to be at least 20 supply ahead in the beginning to have a chance to win a fight. Later on, when Protoss has tons of AoE that evens up. Protoss is strong when the armys gets to big. When they shut AoE everything. What the Protoss can't do however, is to lose his core army. Zealots and goons are disposable but you can't lose 5+ reavers, archons and templars every fight. | ||
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Barneyk
Sweden304 Posts
It really is a fantastic game, I have been playing this game since I was 15-16. I rarely play because I don't feel like putting in the time to train myself in the way I would need to play the way I want to. But I love watching it and the history and evolvement of the game is just so great and I am so happy to be part of it. I did start watching pretty late, the July vs. Best OSL finals was the first series I really watched properly. But I have seen every single premier tournament since. And I feel a weird mix of joy, sadness, nostalgia and excitement about the future thinking about this maybe being Bisus last game on the big scene. | ||
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ReTr0[p.S]
Argentina1590 Posts
On November 09 2017 08:25 Miragee wrote: The strength of Protoss is in small numbers? No, absolutely no. There is a reason Protoss needs to be at least 20 supply ahead in the beginning to have a chance to win a fight. Later on, when Protoss has tons of AoE that evens up. Protoss is strong when the armys gets to big. When they shut AoE everything. What the Protoss can't do however, is to lose his core army. Zealots and goons are disposable but you can't lose 5+ reavers, archons and templars every fight. Oh, you misunderstood me. Protoss will always lead in supply even if he has fewer units simply because of supply needed by protoss units. What I'm saying is pretty much exactly what you said, that those AoE units you talk about are the strength of Protoss, so Protoss without HT/Reaver are basically dead, and a zerg with cracklings/swarm/plague will eventually overpower them. I guess a better way to phrase it would have been that Protoss' strength lies in small numbers of very specific units. | ||
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Barneyk
Sweden304 Posts
Of course there is micro involved and how well you position your army etc but that is what makes a maxed out late game zerg so scary. The first wave depletes the aoe of protoss and the 2nd wave wrecks it. In very simplified terms. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Great games. Love both players! Sad for larva to lose the first game like that though... | ||
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