EPT[ASL4] Ro4 Flash vs Bisu - Page 46
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raff100
498 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
Stork will surprise everyone in ASL5 ~~~ | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
Pfffffff, tscmo got this ez, or maybe cherry pi? | ||
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mishimaBeef
Canada2259 Posts
i was gonna watch the mid-end game of fighting spirit game but turned it off at the 58:00 attack | ||
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Shinokuki
United States923 Posts
On October 31 2017 23:13 TT1 wrote: I don't get what you think it is that i can't accept, i'm just stating my opinion and so is everyone else (on the general state of the game). If you don't believe me that's fine, i'm not force feeding people into believing me. People are giving their opinions on why they think Terran isn't broken and i'm giving mine on why i think it is. I always call it like i see it and i honestly don't think im a biased person, i'm never afraid to admit being wrong whenever i am. If people around here are overly sensitive and can't accept my statements and decide to hold a grudge against me then so be it. I can't do anything about that but i still won't hold back tho. I'm not asking you to believe what i'm saying, i believe what i'm saying, whether or not others want to believe me is entirely up to them. The problem is if you're trying to convince me otherwise then i expect to see valid arguments being made. I provided you with enough data on the current state of the game via the ladder rankings and touched on the strengths of Terran as a race in previous posts already. Anyways i don't wanna derail this thread further more, at the end of the day 2 great players just played a huge match so i'll let you guys talk about the games. Protoss is broken at our level and terran becomes broken when it reaches flash level. Go see top 10 sponsored players and see only three players in that list. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19300 Posts
On October 31 2017 22:42 usopsama wrote: Poll: Which ASL moment did you profit the most from harvesting tears? Shine destroying Bisu (3-1) in ASL3. (16) God smiting Bisu in ASL4. (12) Sea destroying Bisu (3-0) in ASL2. (4) 32 total votes Your vote: Which ASL moment did you profit the most from harvesting tears? (Vote): Sea destroying Bisu (3-0) in ASL2. This one definitely hurt the most. Shine's win was awesome to watch. His strategies were really cool. Sea's win I can't even remember. It was no big deal though. But this being potentially Bisu's last series for a while and he played quite frankly terrible, it was really hard to watch. Flash has an impeccable way of making great players look mediocre. Big congrats to him and I hope that his continued dominance inspires players to work even harder. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
yepyep, how's things been? oh and someone get a mop b/c that bucket has overfloweth | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
1. 8 Dragoons cant even kill an scv 2. While 3 vultures erase a probe with 1 shot 3. Scarab is hit or miss 4. But vulture mine sits there and 1 shots 100 probes 5. Protoss spend 1 million minerals and gas on carriers, and terran counter with 50 mineral marines 6. Scan stargate fleet build, and scan carrier push timing Nah, just flash playing a great game. herO vs. flash it is! | ||
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RainmanMP
United States1698 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On November 01 2017 00:39 RainmanMP wrote: Flash is just on another level. Didn't really seem to be behind or worried about Bisu at any point. Main reason he lost game 3 was because he tried to deep 6(8 technically) and Bisu scouted and hard countered. Probably would have won if he went regular old mech. no, he went deep 6 or 8 or w/e precisely because by the time he scouted the carriers, he wouldn't have had time to get enough goliath up. Bisu also barely hung out at one point. His zealots were evaporating and he had to pull his carriers back. He managed to get the reaver just in time. | ||
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ortseam
996 Posts
Game 2 he was ahead after opening and then wasted two stasis fields on that bridge, after that Flash was able to march straight to his nat and get control the most important position on the map ez. Games 3 and 4, well i guess aggressive/cheesy play, Flash usually defends the second time though  Overall, the series reminded me of Flash vs Guemchi, Bisu showed lack of confidence in the interview after winning Killer and it showed overall in his play/ build choices. | ||
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Terrorbladder
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
If we're going to go back and say Bisu could've won game 2 if he did _____ better then we can also say flash could've won game 3 had he proceeded to go mech. He didn't have the barracks when he scanned the fleet beacon, he added 7 barracks (possibly 8) that's over 1000 minerals he threw into barracks and after that marine production, he also probably got stim and range, had he added 4 factories and another armoury with a few more turrets it's entirely possible he could've held. 2 carriers are not a threat, even 4 carriers can easily be thwarted by 6-8 goliaths and turrets. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On November 01 2017 01:14 d(O.o)a wrote: I find it very odd how quick you guys are to dismiss flash's decision to go mass barracks as 'his best option' or 'a calculated and well executed decision' and yet any choices bisu made similarly are him 'demonstrating awful play' etc. If we're going to go back and say Bisu could've won game 2 if he did _____ better then we can also say flash could've won game 3 had he proceeded to go mech. He didn't have the barracks when he scanned the fleet beacon, he added 7 barracks (possibly 8) that's over 1000 minerals he threw into barracks and after that marine production, he also probably got stim and range, had he added 4 factories and another armoury with a few more turrets it's entirely possible he could've held. 2 carriers are not a threat, even 4 carriers can easily be thwarted by 6-8 goliaths and turrets. I could be wrong, but to me I almost got the sense FlaSh just did that for the flair of doing it. Making something like that work as part of a 3-0 would have been entertaining and only hype him up more. It was fun for those of us watching. It's like he is so confident he knows he can mess around and try something a bit unusual because he'll probably win with it, or if not will win one of the next games. On November 01 2017 00:32 Twinkle Toes wrote: Tesagi is real. 1. 8 Dragoons cant even kill an scv 2. While 3 vultures erase a probe with 1 shot 3. Scarab is hit or miss 4. But vulture mine sits there and 1 shots 100 probes 5. Protoss spend 1 million minerals and gas on carriers, and terran counter with 50 mineral marines 6. Scan stargate fleet build, and scan carrier push timing Nah, just flash playing a great game. Pretty much. Pretty dumb post too. That's not how balance works, not to mention we know that BW is full of ridiculous sounding things on any side of any non mirror match up. Protoss doesn't have a hard time winning against a terran other than Flash. He's the only one that guys like Bisu/Best can't beat consistently. I guarantee you if FlaSh was a zerg or a protoss he would dismantle in just the same way. | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
Here are the Korean casted VODs. | ||
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pylonsalad
Canada649 Posts
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LV_426
Poland432 Posts
he calculated his odds and chose this specific bo as his best chance for winning. If Bisu had not send his first 2 carriers for scout, it would be over most likely. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On November 01 2017 01:21 pylonsalad wrote: Only Effort and SoulKey have a +40% chance vs Flash in a bo5 I'm not sure I'd give either of them that chance. They'd need to be around 45% against Flash in overall score to have a chance of that. If they win 40% of the time versus Flash their chance of a Bo5 win is 30%. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6795 Posts
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On November 01 2017 00:39 RainmanMP wrote: Flash is just on another level. Didn't really seem to be behind or worried about Bisu at any point. Main reason he lost game 3 was because he tried to deep 6(8 technically) and Bisu scouted and hard countered. Probably would have won if he went regular old mech. Deep 8 was because of gols impossible at the time. Bisu almost lost that game too, and he apparently surrendered his fate by parking his carriers on the natural hill and his zealots all dies. Reaver timing saved him. | ||
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