On September 26 2017 20:46 Greg_J wrote: We need to be careful complaining too much about casters. Because they do nothing but add content that you don't have to listen to anyway if you don’t like it. There are other options out there and if you really don’t like the official English stream watch the Korean or FlashFTW streams. I understand the criticism of Artosis and Tasteless because they don't always sound very professional. Entertainment is completely subjective so you should just watch what you enjoy in my opinion.
We have had awesome casters quit before because of abuse and complaints when a lot of people really enjoyed their work and many people really missed them when they were gone. We should learn from our mistakes as a community and also the casters themselves should analyze their own performance and consider if they can improve.
I thank everyone that is casting and hope we continue to have good choices in the future.
I normally like tastetosis. I was watching the korean stream but then my wife started watching so I wanted her to know what was going on and learn something. Tuned into the english cast today and they were ignoring the game for so long. I stopped watching after that game though not because of them but just because i went to do something else. Hope it got better. I do think people should have the right to critique people if it helps them grow. And if it doesn't then you're right just watch someone else xD
On September 26 2017 23:14 TT1 wrote: It's funny how Soulkey is like the exact opposite of EffOrt. His mechanics won't wow you but he's insanely smart.
Absolutely agree and IMO he's one of the most dangerous players out there. Reminds me of SAviOr in his prime. As a die-hard FlaSh fan, I find him to be the scariest opponent. He also has pretty good offline composure.
Does Soulkey have a strong matchup like ZvT or ZvP? I saw in ASL he lost 2-3 against Flash. Even Shine couldn't take a game against Flash. I think the players that have a chance against Flash are Rain Stork Bisu Soulkey, and Jaedong.
I also was sad to see Last, Best, and Effort eliminated. Now I'm a fan of Best. His PvT is amazing. I didn't follow the scene enough to know who he was before this tournament.
I think Flash will have an easy time if it is a TvZ against Killer Hero or Larva.
On September 27 2017 00:01 Alpha-NP- wrote: Does Soulkey have a strong matchup like ZvT or ZvP? I saw in ASL he lost 2-3 against Flash. Even Shine couldn't take a game against Flash. I think the players that have a chance against Flash are Rain Stork Bisu Soulkey, and Jaedong.
I also was sad to see Last, Best, and Effort eliminated. Now I'm a fan of Best. His PvT is amazing. I didn't follow the scene enough to know who he was before this tournament.
I think Flash will have an easy time if it is a TvZ against Killer Hero or Larva.
Soulkey is 57% in ZvT and 62,2% in ZvP since the beginning of this year in sponmatches. See here
On September 27 2017 00:01 Alpha-NP- wrote: Does Soulkey have a strong matchup like ZvT or ZvP? I saw in ASL he lost 2-3 against Flash. Even Shine couldn't take a game against Flash. I think the players that have a chance against Flash are Rain Stork Bisu Soulkey, and Jaedong.
I also was sad to see Last, Best, and Effort eliminated. Now I'm a fan of Best. His PvT is amazing. I didn't follow the scene enough to know who he was before this tournament.
I think Flash will have an easy time if it is a TvZ against Killer Hero or Larva.
SK successfully 4pooled Flash on Camelot in a semifinal match. Not a twitch on his face. He's scary as hell.
On September 26 2017 20:37 Letmelose wrote: The players (EffOrt, and BeSt) who enjoyed the greatest success against Flash in sponsored games ever since his return to the Brood War scene are now all out. I wonder if anyone will rise up to the challenge, now that arguably the greatest threats for Flash are all gone.
The greatest threats for Flash are Larva and Rain :-)
Agree with that. But Flash will play versus hero on Ro8, right? And Larva vs Killer?
I kinda think Group D looks as volatile as Group B. PvZ is gonna be hard for Protoss. I'm rooting for Rain and Stork to advance but that probably is the least likely end result of all the possibilities.
Larva vs Shine was the worst korean zvz ive seen. Next game lack of micro for Hero less shocking than that of Shine. Games like these yet again convince me of how lower the level of play is compared to kespa days. I remember the interest i was watching kespa zvz, all the tactical maneuvers all that clutch micro, thinking about what every player see and whats the opportunities they might use for attack, a game fast and action packed where units can suddenly appear from the shadows and do a deadly act . Now with no young and crisp players, we get to see oldies get slower and slower. I liked how Hero outbuild the bag of builds and after shine and effort out i feel alot more safe for the protoss contingent, i think shine and effort are way dangerous non zvz players than larva and hero.
Have to say esportsjohn and flashftw did top professional cast here. Its actually the first time i watch them instead of tastosis. I had too much of Tastosis lack of understanding, talking about other things and making guesses. If you hadnt watched the games esportsjohn/flashftw combo is the choice to understand and keep track of all the events happening.
I normally like tastetosis. I was watching the korean stream but then my wife started watching so I wanted her to know what was going on and learn something. Tuned into the english cast today and they were ignoring the game for so long.
Same here. Was my favourite casters, but now... Two main problems: 1. They too out of touch with BW. 2. Thay ignore the game, talking too much about different stuff.
On September 27 2017 02:08 _Animus_ wrote: Larva vs Shine was the worst korean zvz ive seen. Next game lack of micro for Hero less shocking than that of Shine. Games like these yet again convince me of how lower the level of play is compared to kespa days. I remember the interest i was watching kespa zvz, all the tactical maneuvers all that clutch micro, thinking about what every player see and whats the opportunities they might use for attack, a game fast and action packed where units can suddenly appear from the shadows and do a deadly act . Now with no young and crisp players, we get to see oldies get slower and slower. I liked how Hero outbuild the bag of builds and after shine and effort out i feel alot more safe for the protoss contingent, i think shine and effort are way dangerous non zvz players than larva and hero.
Have to say esportsjohn and flashftw did top professional cast here. Its actually the first time i watch them instead of tastosis. I had too much of Tastosis lack of understanding, talking about other things and making guesses. If you hadnt watched the games esportsjohn/flashftw combo is the choice to understand and keep track of all the events happening.
pros have said their game knowledge improved vastly and some have even said they improved overall. Flash thinks his 2017 form can beat 2010
esportsjohn not bitching around all the time anymore? watched one stream a few weeks ago where he basically talked about the superiority of sc2 the whole tournament.
On September 27 2017 02:08 _Animus_ wrote: Larva vs Shine was the worst korean zvz ive seen. Next game lack of micro for Hero less shocking than that of Shine. Games like these yet again convince me of how lower the level of play is compared to kespa days.
I respectfully disagree.
Larva vs Shine was as fine of a match as you would expect coming from a relatively quick 9p mirror bos. Larva's lings maneuver was fine, the micro on both player's part was fine (except for that shine attack with his initial lings even though Larva faked some sort of a gasfirst or 12pool build with 4 lings) and for this kind of a game development the game was fine overall imho.
Game 2, absolutely clutch micro performance from hero begining with the millisecond split of the 2 scourges to hit effort's first 2 mutas that almost won him the game and given his bo disadvantage I think he performed fine enough.
I haven't watched the other 3 games, but all in all I would refrain from generalizing as broad on the state of the korean pro scene based on these 5 games howerver bad or good they seemingly went.
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