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[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
September 26 2017 13:16 GMT
#241
On September 26 2017 20:46 Greg_J wrote:
We need to be careful complaining too much about casters. Because they do nothing but add content that you don't have to listen to anyway if you don’t like it. There are other options out there and if you really don’t like the official English stream watch the Korean or FlashFTW streams. I understand the criticism of Artosis and Tasteless because they don't always sound very professional. Entertainment is completely subjective so you should just watch what you enjoy in my opinion.

We have had awesome casters quit before because of abuse and complaints when a lot of people really enjoyed their work and many people really missed them when they were gone. We should learn from our mistakes as a community and also the casters themselves should analyze their own performance and consider if they can improve.

I thank everyone that is casting and hope we continue to have good choices in the future.


I normally like tastetosis. I was watching the korean stream but then my wife started watching so I wanted her to know what was going on and learn something. Tuned into the english cast today and they were ignoring the game for so long. I stopped watching after that game though not because of them but just because i went to do something else. Hope it got better. I do think people should have the right to critique people if it helps them grow. And if it doesn't then you're right just watch someone else xD
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
Esp1noza
Profile Joined September 2003
Russian Federation481 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-26 14:06:54
September 26 2017 14:04 GMT
#242
Effort need to learn from Soulkey how to beat hero 12hatch vs 9pool.

Great game btw.
BroodWar forever
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10095 Posts
September 26 2017 14:14 GMT
#243
It's funny how Soulkey is like the exact opposite of EffOrt. His mechanics won't wow you but he's insanely smart.
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-26 14:21:50
September 26 2017 14:17 GMT
#244
--- Nuked ---
Writer
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
September 26 2017 14:18 GMT
#245
Called it, Effort could lose it, and through the deciding. Damn!
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-26 14:24:41
September 26 2017 14:22 GMT
#246
On September 26 2017 23:14 TT1 wrote:
It's funny how Soulkey is like the exact opposite of EffOrt. His mechanics won't wow you but he's insanely smart.


Absolutely agree and IMO he's one of the most dangerous players out there. Reminds me of SAviOr in his prime. As a die-hard FlaSh fan, I find him to be the scariest opponent. He also has pretty good offline composure.
WriterReV hwaiting!
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 26 2017 14:31 GMT
#247
Well at least Larva made it, but man am I sad that Effort didn't make it. I wanted those 2 so bad t-t.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
September 26 2017 15:01 GMT
#248
Does Soulkey have a strong matchup like ZvT or ZvP? I saw in ASL he lost 2-3 against Flash. Even Shine couldn't take a game against Flash. I think the players that have a chance against Flash are Rain Stork Bisu Soulkey, and Jaedong.

I also was sad to see Last, Best, and Effort eliminated. Now I'm a fan of Best. His PvT is amazing. I didn't follow the scene enough to know who he was before this tournament.

I think Flash will have an easy time if it is a TvZ against Killer Hero or Larva.
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
September 26 2017 15:05 GMT
#249
G1 - 9pool speed mirror, better control wins
G2 - 12 pool < 12 hatch, mutas win
G3 - 12 hatch mirror, better ling micro sim city wins
G4 - 11 pool gas > 11 hatch, hidden base + mutas win
G5 - 9 pool > 12 hatch, lings kill drones

Conclusion: everything known about zvz meta seems to still be true
maru G5L pls
Skybrod
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation19 Posts
September 26 2017 15:14 GMT
#250
On September 27 2017 00:01 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Does Soulkey have a strong matchup like ZvT or ZvP? I saw in ASL he lost 2-3 against Flash. Even Shine couldn't take a game against Flash. I think the players that have a chance against Flash are Rain Stork Bisu Soulkey, and Jaedong.

I also was sad to see Last, Best, and Effort eliminated. Now I'm a fan of Best. His PvT is amazing. I didn't follow the scene enough to know who he was before this tournament.

I think Flash will have an easy time if it is a TvZ against Killer Hero or Larva.


Soulkey is 57% in ZvT and 62,2% in ZvP since the beginning of this year in sponmatches. See here
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
September 26 2017 15:30 GMT
#251
On September 27 2017 00:01 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Does Soulkey have a strong matchup like ZvT or ZvP? I saw in ASL he lost 2-3 against Flash. Even Shine couldn't take a game against Flash. I think the players that have a chance against Flash are Rain Stork Bisu Soulkey, and Jaedong.

I also was sad to see Last, Best, and Effort eliminated. Now I'm a fan of Best. His PvT is amazing. I didn't follow the scene enough to know who he was before this tournament.

I think Flash will have an easy time if it is a TvZ against Killer Hero or Larva.


SK successfully 4pooled Flash on Camelot in a semifinal match. Not a twitch on his face. He's scary as hell.
WriterReV hwaiting!
kaspa84
Profile Joined July 2016
Brazil169 Posts
September 26 2017 16:07 GMT
#252
On September 26 2017 20:39 VioleTAK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2017 20:37 Letmelose wrote:
The players (EffOrt, and BeSt) who enjoyed the greatest success against Flash in sponsored games ever since his return to the Brood War scene are now all out. I wonder if anyone will rise up to the challenge, now that arguably the greatest threats for Flash are all gone.

The greatest threats for Flash are Larva and Rain :-)


Agree with that. But Flash will play versus hero on Ro8, right? And Larva vs Killer?
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12064 Posts
September 26 2017 16:53 GMT
#253
I am super happy for Larva. Just saw game 3 and spoiled the rest. I just wanted Larva to go through! :D
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Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
September 26 2017 17:07 GMT
#254
I kinda think Group D looks as volatile as Group B. PvZ is gonna be hard for Protoss. I'm rooting for Rain and Stork to advance but that probably is the least likely end result of all the possibilities.
_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-26 18:05:13
September 26 2017 17:08 GMT
#255
Larva vs Shine was the worst korean zvz ive seen. Next game lack of micro for Hero less shocking than that of Shine. Games like these yet again convince me of how lower the level of play is compared to kespa days. I remember the interest i was watching kespa zvz, all the tactical maneuvers all that clutch micro, thinking about what every player see and whats the opportunities they might use for attack, a game fast and action packed where units can suddenly appear from the shadows and do a deadly act . Now with no young and crisp players, we get to see oldies get slower and slower.
I liked how Hero outbuild the bag of builds and after shine and effort out i feel alot more safe for the protoss contingent, i think shine and effort are way dangerous non zvz players than larva and hero.

Have to say esportsjohn and flashftw did top professional cast here. Its actually the first time i watch them instead of tastosis. I had too much of Tastosis lack of understanding, talking about other things and making guesses. If you hadnt watched the games esportsjohn/flashftw combo is the choice to understand and keep track of all the events happening.
Luv ya BroodWar!
Esp1noza
Profile Joined September 2003
Russian Federation481 Posts
September 26 2017 18:08 GMT
#256
On September 26 2017 22:16 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:

I normally like tastetosis. I was watching the korean stream but then my wife started watching so I wanted her to know what was going on and learn something. Tuned into the english cast today and they were ignoring the game for so long.

Same here. Was my favourite casters, but now... Two main problems: 1. They too out of touch with BW. 2. Thay ignore the game, talking too much about different stuff.
BroodWar forever
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1776 Posts
September 26 2017 18:13 GMT
#257
Effort FUCKING SHIT~!~!! getting ruined by those noobs FUCK!!!

no effort, so flash won asl4 gg.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States924 Posts
September 26 2017 18:37 GMT
#258
On September 27 2017 02:08 _Animus_ wrote:
Larva vs Shine was the worst korean zvz ive seen. Next game lack of micro for Hero less shocking than that of Shine. Games like these yet again convince me of how lower the level of play is compared to kespa days. I remember the interest i was watching kespa zvz, all the tactical maneuvers all that clutch micro, thinking about what every player see and whats the opportunities they might use for attack, a game fast and action packed where units can suddenly appear from the shadows and do a deadly act . Now with no young and crisp players, we get to see oldies get slower and slower.
I liked how Hero outbuild the bag of builds and after shine and effort out i feel alot more safe for the protoss contingent, i think shine and effort are way dangerous non zvz players than larva and hero.

Have to say esportsjohn and flashftw did top professional cast here. Its actually the first time i watch them instead of tastosis. I had too much of Tastosis lack of understanding, talking about other things and making guesses. If you hadnt watched the games esportsjohn/flashftw combo is the choice to understand and keep track of all the events happening.


pros have said their game knowledge improved vastly and some have even said they improved overall. Flash thinks his 2017 form can beat 2010
Life is just life
[AS]Rattus
Profile Joined March 2017
432 Posts
September 26 2017 18:55 GMT
#259
esportsjohn not bitching around all the time anymore? watched one stream a few weeks ago where he basically talked about the superiority of sc2 the whole tournament.
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
September 26 2017 19:14 GMT
#260
On September 27 2017 02:08 _Animus_ wrote:
Larva vs Shine was the worst korean zvz ive seen. Next game lack of micro for Hero less shocking than that of Shine. Games like these yet again convince me of how lower the level of play is compared to kespa days.


I respectfully disagree.

Larva vs Shine was as fine of a match as you would expect coming from a relatively quick 9p mirror bos. Larva's lings maneuver was fine, the micro on both player's part was fine (except for that shine attack with his initial lings even though Larva faked some sort of a gasfirst or 12pool build with 4 lings) and for this kind of a game development the game was fine overall imho.

Game 2, absolutely clutch micro performance from hero begining with the millisecond split of the 2 scourges to hit effort's first 2 mutas that almost won him the game and given his bo disadvantage I think he performed fine enough.

I haven't watched the other 3 games, but all in all I would refrain from generalizing as broad on the state of the korean pro scene based on these 5 games howerver bad or good they seemingly went.
Enjoy the game
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