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bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
December 27 2016 12:41 GMT
#481
On December 27 2016 21:26 usopsama wrote:
[image loading]

She was one of the OSL boothgirls.

Give me her name please and her twitter or same that!
https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
December 27 2016 12:42 GMT
#482
On December 27 2016 21:36 Peeano wrote:
Bisu < Sea
Best < hero
Flash < Guemchi
Stork > Jaedong

Sea < hero
Guemchi > Stork

hero < Guemchi


'Fear the Chi', lololol.

User was warned for being hilarious
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5500 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-27 12:43:04
December 27 2016 12:42 GMT
#483
On December 27 2016 21:37 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:31 thezanursic wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:23 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:21 Miragee wrote:
Bisu > Sea
Best < hero
Flash > Guemchi (which means Guemchi will win, as always if I predict against him)
Stork < Jaedong

I actually think Sea will beat Bisu. Best will beat hero. Yes Flash will beat Guemchi despite your voodoo tricks And yes Jaedong will beat stork. But stork is totally capable of winning, unfortunately he always plays so safe vs zerg. He's too easy to predict and routine is a huge advantage to zerg.

Sea will beat Bisu? Sea has a history of losing to Bisu.

As for herO in November on Fish he was 6-3 vs BeSt and 7-3 vs Bisu, he is a PvZ specialist after all with a 70% wr over the last 3 years and a sub 50% in both ZvZ and ZvT

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/82_by.hero

In the last few years in Tournaments at least Bisu and Sea played 8 games, Bisu is currently 7-1

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sospa&type=players&id=125&part=games&vs=108&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2013&from_month=11&from_day=13&to_year=2016&to_month=12&to_day=4&action=Update

herO getting to the finals is the most likely outcome, however Bisu can always upset him.

On the other side of the bracket Flash is the most likely to get to the finals. The sad thing is, while herO is likely to show us good ZvPs, if he gets to the finals and plays Flash, we are likely up for a very one sided finals. Bisu vs Flash finals, would be much better in that regard

I respect your opinion because you may very well be right. My insights are based off of recent games. Just looking at the players current form. I'm excited to see how they might surprise me Excellent research though and I wouldn't at all be surprised if you were right. But I also wouldn't be surprised if I was as well.

It can go either way, just don't be surprised when herO takes numbers.

Bisu and herO faced each other in two finals. in 2014 Bisu barely managed to edge out 3-2, generally herO won longer games, Bisu won shorter more aggressive games

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/9th_SonicTV_Starleague


In 2015 Bisu and herO faced in another finals, this time herO smashed Bisu 3:0, Bisu didn't even stand a chance

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/11th_SonicTV_Starleague

I'm not saying this is definitive, I'm just saying you should never discount herO's ZvP. herO is primarily a ZvP specialist, his ZvT and ZvZ are VERY average, but he is a God of ZvP.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
December 27 2016 12:43 GMT
#484
On December 27 2016 21:41 bovienchien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:26 usopsama wrote:
[image loading]

She was one of the OSL boothgirls.

Give me her name please and her twitter or same that!

You are fucking creepy.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
December 27 2016 12:43 GMT
#485
On December 27 2016 21:41 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:35 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:30 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Nice matchups. Hmm... gonna say:

Bisu takes Sea. But if Sea plays like he did tonight, it'll be a workout for Bisu.
Best vs Hero looks like a tossup. Both look really good. Flip a coin.
Flash takes GuemChi. Dig you Guem, but shit just got real.
Stork takes Jaedong. Yeah, I said it. JD doesn't look quite 100% yet, and Stork's been the silent killer.


Stork has always been historically weak to ZvP. I should say thats just a feeling of someone whos watched him for 10 years. Doesnt mean he wont be ready for zerg sometimes when he needs to be. But in the past zerg has been a big problem for stork.

If JD was at 100%, I'd pick him. But he doesn't seem to be quite there yet.

Best took him down twice. So, not a fluke.



My overall theme has been that Best took him down because best is playing like a beast right now pz. Some seem to strongly disagree but that's my stance. Stork has been great at pvp and pvt but I think best is the better pvz player. The ro8 will show the truth
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-27 12:44:25
December 27 2016 12:44 GMT
#486
On December 27 2016 21:26 usopsama wrote:
[image loading]

She was one of the OSL boothgirls.



Extremely unfair disadvantage for the player. How are you supposed to concentrate with her in the booth ???


User was warned for being hilarious
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
December 27 2016 12:44 GMT
#487
On December 27 2016 21:43 usopsama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:41 bovienchien wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:26 usopsama wrote:
[image loading]

She was one of the OSL boothgirls.

Give me her name please and her twitter or same that!

You are fucking creepy.

Yep pretty creepy...
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
December 27 2016 12:45 GMT
#488
On December 27 2016 21:43 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:41 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:35 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:30 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Nice matchups. Hmm... gonna say:

Bisu takes Sea. But if Sea plays like he did tonight, it'll be a workout for Bisu.
Best vs Hero looks like a tossup. Both look really good. Flip a coin.
Flash takes GuemChi. Dig you Guem, but shit just got real.
Stork takes Jaedong. Yeah, I said it. JD doesn't look quite 100% yet, and Stork's been the silent killer.


Stork has always been historically weak to ZvP. I should say thats just a feeling of someone whos watched him for 10 years. Doesnt mean he wont be ready for zerg sometimes when he needs to be. But in the past zerg has been a big problem for stork.

If JD was at 100%, I'd pick him. But he doesn't seem to be quite there yet.

Best took him down twice. So, not a fluke.



My overall theme has been that Best took him down because best is playing like a beast right now pz. Some seem to strongly disagree but that's my stance. Stork has been great at pvp and pvt but I think best is the better pvz player.

The ro8 will show the truth


Indeed.

User was warned for being hilarious
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
December 27 2016 12:45 GMT
#489
On December 27 2016 21:41 bovienchien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:26 usopsama wrote:
[image loading]

She was one of the OSL boothgirls.

Give me her name please and her twitter or same that!

www.afreecatv.com
She stream on afreeca. She plays hunters.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
December 27 2016 12:48 GMT
#490

www.afreecatv.com
She stream on afreeca. She plays hunters.

I am really thank you a lot!
https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-27 12:50:22
December 27 2016 12:48 GMT
#491
On December 27 2016 21:42 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:37 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:31 thezanursic wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:23 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:21 Miragee wrote:
Bisu > Sea
Best < hero
Flash > Guemchi (which means Guemchi will win, as always if I predict against him)
Stork < Jaedong

I actually think Sea will beat Bisu. Best will beat hero. Yes Flash will beat Guemchi despite your voodoo tricks And yes Jaedong will beat stork. But stork is totally capable of winning, unfortunately he always plays so safe vs zerg. He's too easy to predict and routine is a huge advantage to zerg.

Sea will beat Bisu? Sea has a history of losing to Bisu.

As for herO in November on Fish he was 6-3 vs BeSt and 7-3 vs Bisu, he is a PvZ specialist after all with a 70% wr over the last 3 years and a sub 50% in both ZvZ and ZvT

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/82_by.hero

In the last few years in Tournaments at least Bisu and Sea played 8 games, Bisu is currently 7-1

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sospa&type=players&id=125&part=games&vs=108&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2013&from_month=11&from_day=13&to_year=2016&to_month=12&to_day=4&action=Update

herO getting to the finals is the most likely outcome, however Bisu can always upset him.

On the other side of the bracket Flash is the most likely to get to the finals. The sad thing is, while herO is likely to show us good ZvPs, if he gets to the finals and plays Flash, we are likely up for a very one sided finals. Bisu vs Flash finals, would be much better in that regard

I respect your opinion because you may very well be right. My insights are based off of recent games. Just looking at the players current form. I'm excited to see how they might surprise me Excellent research though and I wouldn't at all be surprised if you were right. But I also wouldn't be surprised if I was as well.

It can go either way, just don't be surprised when herO takes numbers.

Bisu and herO faced each other in two finals. in 2014 Bisu barely managed to edge out 3-2, generally herO won longer games, Bisu won shorter more aggressive games

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/9th_SonicTV_Starleague


In 2015 Bisu and herO faced in another finals, this time herO smashed Bisu 3:0, Bisu didn't even stand a chance

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/11th_SonicTV_Starleague

I'm not saying this is definitive, I'm just saying you should never discount herO's ZvP. herO is primarily a ZvP specialist, his ZvT and ZvZ are VERY average, but he is a God of ZvP.

Id like to point out that I actually picked hero to beat bisu when they played in the ro16. Bisu simply outclassed him specifically in the early game at a huge margin. That game wasnt even close. So this time around I can't think Bisu won't do the same again.
2015 is not 2016(17)! Bisu is not the same player. Hero is very very good though I won't deny.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5500 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-27 12:53:59
December 27 2016 12:51 GMT
#492
On December 27 2016 21:48 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:42 thezanursic wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:37 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:31 thezanursic wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:23 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:21 Miragee wrote:
Bisu > Sea
Best < hero
Flash > Guemchi (which means Guemchi will win, as always if I predict against him)
Stork < Jaedong

I actually think Sea will beat Bisu. Best will beat hero. Yes Flash will beat Guemchi despite your voodoo tricks And yes Jaedong will beat stork. But stork is totally capable of winning, unfortunately he always plays so safe vs zerg. He's too easy to predict and routine is a huge advantage to zerg.

Sea will beat Bisu? Sea has a history of losing to Bisu.

As for herO in November on Fish he was 6-3 vs BeSt and 7-3 vs Bisu, he is a PvZ specialist after all with a 70% wr over the last 3 years and a sub 50% in both ZvZ and ZvT

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/82_by.hero

In the last few years in Tournaments at least Bisu and Sea played 8 games, Bisu is currently 7-1

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sospa&type=players&id=125&part=games&vs=108&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2013&from_month=11&from_day=13&to_year=2016&to_month=12&to_day=4&action=Update

herO getting to the finals is the most likely outcome, however Bisu can always upset him.

On the other side of the bracket Flash is the most likely to get to the finals. The sad thing is, while herO is likely to show us good ZvPs, if he gets to the finals and plays Flash, we are likely up for a very one sided finals. Bisu vs Flash finals, would be much better in that regard

I respect your opinion because you may very well be right. My insights are based off of recent games. Just looking at the players current form. I'm excited to see how they might surprise me Excellent research though and I wouldn't at all be surprised if you were right. But I also wouldn't be surprised if I was as well.

It can go either way, just don't be surprised when herO takes numbers.

Bisu and herO faced each other in two finals. in 2014 Bisu barely managed to edge out 3-2, generally herO won longer games, Bisu won shorter more aggressive games

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/9th_SonicTV_Starleague


In 2015 Bisu and herO faced in another finals, this time herO smashed Bisu 3:0, Bisu didn't even stand a chance

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/11th_SonicTV_Starleague

I'm not saying this is definitive, I'm just saying you should never discount herO's ZvP. herO is primarily a ZvP specialist, his ZvT and ZvZ are VERY average, but he is a God of ZvP.

Id like to point out that I actually picked hero to beat bisu when they played in the ro16. Bisu simply outclassed him specifically in the early game at a huge margin. That game wasnt even close. So this time around I can't think Bisu won't do the same again.
2015 is not 2016(17)! Bisu is not the same player. Hero is very very good though I won't deny.

Bisu performed phenomenally in that game, but I still have my doubts about a Bo5. To me it seems like Bisu has the advantage in the early to midgame, but in the late game he just gets outclassed by herO.

That's my feeling at least, and I think Bisu feels the same considering how much he has been rushing and cheesing.

Don't get me wrong, I want Bisu to win that series, but I think herO has the edge, I would much prefer a Bisu vs Flash finals than a herO vs Flash finals. My brain says herO, my heart says Bisu
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
December 27 2016 12:52 GMT
#493
On December 27 2016 21:38 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:26 PVJ wrote:
Ro4:
Bisu,
Best,
Flash,
Stork

Finals:
Bisu v Flash

Winner:
Flash


Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:26 Qikz wrote:
Bisu > Sea
BeSt > HerO
Flash > Guemchi
Stork > Jaedong

---

Flash > Stork
Bisu > BeSt

---

Bisu > Flash



Why is everyone predicting BeSt>herO. Bisu might beat herO, but herO has both Bisu's and BeSt's number

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/16_BeSt

Currently 7-6 in PvZ, small sample size, soo nothing particularly conclusive

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/82_by.hero

ZvP 137-56 (70.98%)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/516873-bw-afreeca-top-5-players-in-the-month-of-nov

#2 Hero

ZvP: 57-25 (69.5%)

Protoss: Best 6-3, Bisu 7-3, Guemchi 5-1


First of all, I'm a bit biased. I also just really liked Best's game in the two rounds thus far. He had a well balanced strong arsenal of builds and there's that he can macro like no one else which could keep him always slightly just in game for long enough to surprise everyone.

By the way, any news about the map pool?
The heart's eternal vow
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-27 13:01:45
December 27 2016 12:52 GMT
#494
On December 27 2016 21:44 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:26 usopsama wrote:
[image loading]

She was one of the OSL boothgirls.



Extremely unfair disadvantage for the player. How are you supposed to concentrate with her in the booth ???




I guess this is the reason why sAviOr fell from grace. Too much action.

[image loading]

Ah fuck it. Here's the link.

http://nbamania.com/g2/bbs/board.php?bo_table=freetalk&wr_id=194537
TL+ Member
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
December 27 2016 12:54 GMT
#495
On December 27 2016 21:44 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:26 usopsama wrote:
[image loading]

She was one of the OSL boothgirls.



Extremely unfair disadvantage for the player. How are you supposed to concentrate with her in the booth ???



The other player gets one, too. I liked the other boothgirl much more.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7001 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-27 12:56:07
December 27 2016 12:54 GMT
#496
On December 27 2016 21:48 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:42 thezanursic wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:37 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:31 thezanursic wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:23 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:21 Miragee wrote:
Bisu > Sea
Best < hero
Flash > Guemchi (which means Guemchi will win, as always if I predict against him)
Stork < Jaedong

I actually think Sea will beat Bisu. Best will beat hero. Yes Flash will beat Guemchi despite your voodoo tricks And yes Jaedong will beat stork. But stork is totally capable of winning, unfortunately he always plays so safe vs zerg. He's too easy to predict and routine is a huge advantage to zerg.

Sea will beat Bisu? Sea has a history of losing to Bisu.

As for herO in November on Fish he was 6-3 vs BeSt and 7-3 vs Bisu, he is a PvZ specialist after all with a 70% wr over the last 3 years and a sub 50% in both ZvZ and ZvT

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/82_by.hero

In the last few years in Tournaments at least Bisu and Sea played 8 games, Bisu is currently 7-1

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sospa&type=players&id=125&part=games&vs=108&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2013&from_month=11&from_day=13&to_year=2016&to_month=12&to_day=4&action=Update

herO getting to the finals is the most likely outcome, however Bisu can always upset him.

On the other side of the bracket Flash is the most likely to get to the finals. The sad thing is, while herO is likely to show us good ZvPs, if he gets to the finals and plays Flash, we are likely up for a very one sided finals. Bisu vs Flash finals, would be much better in that regard

I respect your opinion because you may very well be right. My insights are based off of recent games. Just looking at the players current form. I'm excited to see how they might surprise me Excellent research though and I wouldn't at all be surprised if you were right. But I also wouldn't be surprised if I was as well.

It can go either way, just don't be surprised when herO takes numbers.

Bisu and herO faced each other in two finals. in 2014 Bisu barely managed to edge out 3-2, generally herO won longer games, Bisu won shorter more aggressive games

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/9th_SonicTV_Starleague


In 2015 Bisu and herO faced in another finals, this time herO smashed Bisu 3:0, Bisu didn't even stand a chance

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/11th_SonicTV_Starleague

I'm not saying this is definitive, I'm just saying you should never discount herO's ZvP. herO is primarily a ZvP specialist, his ZvT and ZvZ are VERY average, but he is a God of ZvP.

Id like to point out that I actually picked hero to beat bisu when they played in the ro16. Bisu simply outclassed him specifically in the early game at a huge margin. That game wasnt even close. So this time around I can't think Bisu won't do the same again.
2015 is not 2016(17)! Bisu is not the same player. Hero is very very good though I won't deny.

u will be surprised how often can u see a zerg player getting owned by this on stream vs 1 gate expand even vs no names ^^.this build is not so easy to deal with if u want to play a macro game.you either commit to lings and most likely fail /win or semi defend it with the exact lings you need then transition to 4 hatch hydra +1 hydra hold zealot push add +2 hatcheries ,or you can just die to zealots +1.u cant play the classic 3 hatch spire into 5 hatcheries cuz your eco was totally broke by making more lings,no adding the drones,late lair,sair will be extremely powerful .or you can rush to lair but then u will be low in drones and everything will be a mess.
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
December 27 2016 12:55 GMT
#497
On December 27 2016 21:52 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:44 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:26 usopsama wrote:
[image loading]

She was one of the OSL boothgirls.



Extremely unfair disadvantage for the player. How are you supposed to concentrate with her in the booth ???




I guess this is the reason why sAviOr fell from grace. Too much action.

[image loading]

Denied
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5500 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-27 12:57:02
December 27 2016 12:56 GMT
#498
On December 27 2016 21:52 PVJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:38 thezanursic wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:26 PVJ wrote:
Ro4:
Bisu,
Best,
Flash,
Stork

Finals:
Bisu v Flash

Winner:
Flash


On December 27 2016 21:26 Qikz wrote:
Bisu > Sea
BeSt > HerO
Flash > Guemchi
Stork > Jaedong

---

Flash > Stork
Bisu > BeSt

---

Bisu > Flash



Why is everyone predicting BeSt>herO. Bisu might beat herO, but herO has both Bisu's and BeSt's number

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/16_BeSt

Currently 7-6 in PvZ, small sample size, soo nothing particularly conclusive

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/82_by.hero

ZvP 137-56 (70.98%)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/516873-bw-afreeca-top-5-players-in-the-month-of-nov

#2 Hero

ZvP: 57-25 (69.5%)

Protoss: Best 6-3, Bisu 7-3, Guemchi 5-1


First of all, I'm a bit biased. I also just really liked Best's game in the two rounds thus far. He had a well balanced strong arsenal of builds and there's that he can macro like no one else which could keep him always slightly just in game for long enough to surprise everyone.

By the way, any news about the map pool?


I'm a Bisu fan first, and a herO appreciator second, I just think that realistically speaking herO has the edge. I think that Bisu is a far better player, but their weaknesses and strengths just fall into herO's favor. Bisu seems to be stronger in PvT and PvP lately, and a bit weaker in PvZ while herO is a ZvP specialist and is historically very average at the other two match ups.

I definitely want Bisu to win, I just think we should be realistic about his chances. If I were to call chances I'd say 60/40 for herO, but Bisu can definitely pull it off
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7001 Posts
December 27 2016 12:58 GMT
#499
On December 27 2016 21:56 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:52 PVJ wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:38 thezanursic wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:26 PVJ wrote:
Ro4:
Bisu,
Best,
Flash,
Stork

Finals:
Bisu v Flash

Winner:
Flash


On December 27 2016 21:26 Qikz wrote:
Bisu > Sea
BeSt > HerO
Flash > Guemchi
Stork > Jaedong

---

Flash > Stork
Bisu > BeSt

---

Bisu > Flash



Why is everyone predicting BeSt>herO. Bisu might beat herO, but herO has both Bisu's and BeSt's number

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/16_BeSt

Currently 7-6 in PvZ, small sample size, soo nothing particularly conclusive

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/82_by.hero

ZvP 137-56 (70.98%)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/516873-bw-afreeca-top-5-players-in-the-month-of-nov

#2 Hero

ZvP: 57-25 (69.5%)

Protoss: Best 6-3, Bisu 7-3, Guemchi 5-1


First of all, I'm a bit biased. I also just really liked Best's game in the two rounds thus far. He had a well balanced strong arsenal of builds and there's that he can macro like no one else which could keep him always slightly just in game for long enough to surprise everyone.

By the way, any news about the map pool?


I'm a Bisu fan first, and a herO appreciator second, I just think that realistically speaking herO has the edge. I think that Bisu is a far better player, but their weaknesses and strengths just fall into herO's favor. Bisu seems to be stronger in PvT and PvP lately, and a bit weaker in PvZ while herO is a ZvP specialist and is historically very average at the other two match ups.

I definitely want Bisu to win, I just think we should be realistic about his chances. If I were to call chances I'd say 60/40 for herO, but Bisu can definitely pull it off

no matter what Bisu will be always favorite vs zerg.but if there is someone that can totally cause troubles is hero.
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5500 Posts
December 27 2016 13:01 GMT
#500
On December 27 2016 21:58 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:56 thezanursic wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:52 PVJ wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:38 thezanursic wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:26 PVJ wrote:
Ro4:
Bisu,
Best,
Flash,
Stork

Finals:
Bisu v Flash

Winner:
Flash


On December 27 2016 21:26 Qikz wrote:
Bisu > Sea
BeSt > HerO
Flash > Guemchi
Stork > Jaedong

---

Flash > Stork
Bisu > BeSt

---

Bisu > Flash



Why is everyone predicting BeSt>herO. Bisu might beat herO, but herO has both Bisu's and BeSt's number

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/16_BeSt

Currently 7-6 in PvZ, small sample size, soo nothing particularly conclusive

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/82_by.hero

ZvP 137-56 (70.98%)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/516873-bw-afreeca-top-5-players-in-the-month-of-nov

#2 Hero

ZvP: 57-25 (69.5%)

Protoss: Best 6-3, Bisu 7-3, Guemchi 5-1


First of all, I'm a bit biased. I also just really liked Best's game in the two rounds thus far. He had a well balanced strong arsenal of builds and there's that he can macro like no one else which could keep him always slightly just in game for long enough to surprise everyone.

By the way, any news about the map pool?


I'm a Bisu fan first, and a herO appreciator second, I just think that realistically speaking herO has the edge. I think that Bisu is a far better player, but their weaknesses and strengths just fall into herO's favor. Bisu seems to be stronger in PvT and PvP lately, and a bit weaker in PvZ while herO is a ZvP specialist and is historically very average at the other two match ups.

I definitely want Bisu to win, I just think we should be realistic about his chances. If I were to call chances I'd say 60/40 for herO, but Bisu can definitely pull it off

no matter what Bisu will be always favorite vs zerg.but if there is someone that can totally cause troubles is hero.

I respect your opinion Eon, but remember how herO totally raped Bisu in SSL11? Or how in November he had a 7-3 record versus Bisu?
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