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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
December 27 2016 12:29 GMT
#461
On December 27 2016 21:27 coolprogrammingstuff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:22 classicyellow83 wrote:
Guemchi's stream is so funny. He's about to cry. LOL


I love all the tombstones being spammed on his stream. He seems devastated

He really is totally fucked though lol. Flash is so much more skilled he could play a totally safe game and still come out on top.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
December 27 2016 12:29 GMT
#462
On December 27 2016 21:27 coolprogrammingstuff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:22 classicyellow83 wrote:
Guemchi's stream is so funny. He's about to cry. LOL


I love all the tombstones being spammed on his stream. He seems devastated

LOL Flash's stream chat is being spammed with "Congrats on advancing to round 4" HAHAHAHAHAA
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-27 12:30:55
December 27 2016 12:30 GMT
#463
Nice matchups. Hmm... gonna say:

Bisu takes Sea. But if Sea plays like he did tonight, it'll be a workout for Bisu.
Best vs Hero looks like a tossup. Both look really good. Flip a coin.
Flash takes GuemChi. Dig you Guem, but shit just got real.
Stork takes Jaedong. Yeah, I said it. JD doesn't look quite 100% yet, and Stork's been the silent killer.

User was warned for being hilarious
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
December 27 2016 12:30 GMT
#464
Stork has been still for past 10 minutes without speaking.....
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10579 Posts
December 27 2016 12:31 GMT
#465
Everyone should go to Guemchi's stream right now its hilarious. hes rewatching his pick and crying lol
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5504 Posts
December 27 2016 12:31 GMT
#466
On December 27 2016 21:23 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:21 Miragee wrote:
Bisu > Sea
Best < hero
Flash > Guemchi (which means Guemchi will win, as always if I predict against him)
Stork < Jaedong

I actually think Sea will beat Bisu. Best will beat hero. Yes Flash will beat Guemchi despite your voodoo tricks And yes Jaedong will beat stork. But stork is totally capable of winning, unfortunately he always plays so safe vs zerg. He's too easy to predict and routine is a huge advantage to zerg.

Sea will beat Bisu? Sea has a history of losing to Bisu.

As for herO in November on Fish he was 6-3 vs BeSt and 7-3 vs Bisu, he is a PvZ specialist after all with a 70% wr over the last 3 years and a sub 50% in both ZvZ and ZvT

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/82_by.hero

In the last few years in Tournaments at least Bisu and Sea played 8 games, Bisu is currently 7-1

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sospa&type=players&id=125&part=games&vs=108&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2013&from_month=11&from_day=13&to_year=2016&to_month=12&to_day=4&action=Update

herO getting to the finals is the most likely outcome, however Bisu can always upset him.

On the other side of the bracket Flash is the most likely to get to the finals. The sad thing is, while herO is likely to show us good ZvPs, if he gets to the finals and plays Flash, we are likely up for a very one sided finals. Bisu vs Flash finals, would be much better in that regard
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
December 27 2016 12:33 GMT
#467
Flash vs JD Semis please.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5504 Posts
December 27 2016 12:34 GMT
#468
On December 27 2016 21:24 TanGeng wrote:
Bisu is still really good on the PvZ

Of course he is, but not as good as his PvT or PvP

HerO consistantly beats Bisu, if they face in the Ro4, herO is more likely to advance
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
December 27 2016 12:34 GMT
#469
If Stork somehow makes it past the Tyrant, he has to face the Ultimate Weapon. Anyone in his shoes would be shitting bricks right now.
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
December 27 2016 12:34 GMT
#470
On December 27 2016 21:31 FlaShFTW wrote:
Everyone should go to Guemchi's stream right now its hilarious. hes rewatching his pick and crying lol


Am digging the sad, introspective music he's playing, lol.


User was warned for being hilarious
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
December 27 2016 12:35 GMT
#471
On December 27 2016 21:30 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Nice matchups. Hmm... gonna say:

Bisu takes Sea. But if Sea plays like he did tonight, it'll be a workout for Bisu.
Best vs Hero looks like a tossup. Both look really good. Flip a coin.
Flash takes GuemChi. Dig you Guem, but shit just got real.
Stork takes Jaedong. Yeah, I said it. JD doesn't look quite 100% yet, and Stork's been the silent killer.


Stork has always been historically weak to ZvP. I should say thats just a feeling of someone whos watched him for 10 years. Doesnt mean he wont be ready for zerg sometimes when he needs to be. But in the past zerg has been a big problem for stork.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
December 27 2016 12:36 GMT
#472
Flash : "So.,.,.. Im gonna meet JD or Stork in round 4?" FUCKKKKKKK
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5981 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-27 12:37:19
December 27 2016 12:36 GMT
#473
Bisu < Sea
Best < hero
Flash < Guemchi
Stork > Jaedong

Sea < hero
Guemchi > Stork

hero < Guemchi
FBH #1!
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-27 12:38:09
December 27 2016 12:37 GMT
#474
On December 27 2016 21:31 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:23 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On December 27 2016 21:21 Miragee wrote:
Bisu > Sea
Best < hero
Flash > Guemchi (which means Guemchi will win, as always if I predict against him)
Stork < Jaedong

I actually think Sea will beat Bisu. Best will beat hero. Yes Flash will beat Guemchi despite your voodoo tricks And yes Jaedong will beat stork. But stork is totally capable of winning, unfortunately he always plays so safe vs zerg. He's too easy to predict and routine is a huge advantage to zerg.

Sea will beat Bisu? Sea has a history of losing to Bisu.

As for herO in November on Fish he was 6-3 vs BeSt and 7-3 vs Bisu, he is a PvZ specialist after all with a 70% wr over the last 3 years and a sub 50% in both ZvZ and ZvT

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/82_by.hero

In the last few years in Tournaments at least Bisu and Sea played 8 games, Bisu is currently 7-1

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sospa&type=players&id=125&part=games&vs=108&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2013&from_month=11&from_day=13&to_year=2016&to_month=12&to_day=4&action=Update

herO getting to the finals is the most likely outcome, however Bisu can always upset him.

On the other side of the bracket Flash is the most likely to get to the finals. The sad thing is, while herO is likely to show us good ZvPs, if he gets to the finals and plays Flash, we are likely up for a very one sided finals. Bisu vs Flash finals, would be much better in that regard

I respect your opinion because you may very well be right. My insights are based off of recent games. Just looking at the players current form. I'm excited to see how they might surprise me Excellent research though and I wouldn't at all be surprised if you were right. But I also wouldn't be surprised if I was as well.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5504 Posts
December 27 2016 12:38 GMT
#475
On December 27 2016 21:26 PVJ wrote:
Ro4:
Bisu,
Best,
Flash,
Stork

Finals:
Bisu v Flash

Winner:
Flash


On December 27 2016 21:26 Qikz wrote:
Bisu > Sea
BeSt > HerO
Flash > Guemchi
Stork > Jaedong

---

Flash > Stork
Bisu > BeSt

---

Bisu > Flash



Why is everyone predicting BeSt>herO. Bisu might beat herO, but herO has both Bisu's and BeSt's number

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/16_BeSt

Currently 7-6 in PvZ, small sample size, soo nothing particularly conclusive

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/82_by.hero

ZvP 137-56 (70.98%)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/516873-bw-afreeca-top-5-players-in-the-month-of-nov

#2 Hero

ZvP: 57-25 (69.5%)

Protoss: Best 6-3, Bisu 7-3, Guemchi 5-1
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
December 27 2016 12:38 GMT
#476
On December 27 2016 21:36 Peeano wrote:
Bisu < Sea
Best < hero
Flash < Guemchi
Stork > Jaedong

Sea < hero
Guemchi > Stork

hero < Guemchi

YES!
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10579 Posts
December 27 2016 12:39 GMT
#477
On December 27 2016 21:36 Peeano wrote:
Bisu < Sea
Best < hero
Flash < Guemchi
Stork > Jaedong

Sea < hero
Guemchi > Stork

hero < Guemchi

no.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
December 27 2016 12:40 GMT
#478
On December 27 2016 21:38 classicyellow83 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:36 Peeano wrote:
Bisu < Sea
Best < hero
Flash < Guemchi
Stork > Jaedong

Sea < hero
Guemchi > Stork

hero < Guemchi

YES!

Im sorry but definitely no
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
December 27 2016 12:41 GMT
#479
On December 27 2016 21:35 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 21:30 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Nice matchups. Hmm... gonna say:

Bisu takes Sea. But if Sea plays like he did tonight, it'll be a workout for Bisu.
Best vs Hero looks like a tossup. Both look really good. Flip a coin.
Flash takes GuemChi. Dig you Guem, but shit just got real.
Stork takes Jaedong. Yeah, I said it. JD doesn't look quite 100% yet, and Stork's been the silent killer.


Stork has always been historically weak to ZvP. I should say thats just a feeling of someone whos watched him for 10 years. Doesnt mean he wont be ready for zerg sometimes when he needs to be. But in the past zerg has been a big problem for stork.

If JD was at 100%, I'd pick him. But he doesn't seem to be quite there yet.

Best took him down twice. So, not a fluke.


User was warned for being hilarious
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
December 27 2016 12:41 GMT
#480
There is no fucking way that Sea can snipe Bisu in a BO5.
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