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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
December 27 2016 11:40 GMT
#281
On December 27 2016 20:39 nurle wrote:
Holy shit rain playing awful. And Artosis, Please.. Enough of the sc2 talk. This is BW

Its easy to criticize him for that but remember he needs to appeal to crossover fans as well.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
December 27 2016 11:40 GMT
#282
On December 27 2016 20:40 classicyellow83 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 20:35 12312312333112 wrote:
I don't know this map too well but it seems heavily protoss favored. I can't really see an endgame push here for T. And the arbiters just bypassed all the static d sea set up.

Basically every protoss on afreeca said that it's toss favored in PvT except for Bisu.

Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10495 Posts
December 27 2016 11:40 GMT
#283
On December 27 2016 20:38 12312312333112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 20:36 Ej_ wrote:
On December 27 2016 20:35 12312312333112 wrote:
I don't know this map too well but it seems heavily protoss favored. I can't really see an endgame push here for T. And the arbiters just bypassed all the static d sea set up.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/maps/407_Benzene
sub 50%

Interesting. Looks bad for T but maybe because of the choke between the production and the other bases terran can cut it off like sea is doing now.

benzene is a good map for terrans. the forward and close mineral expansion is a good staging point and any map that gives terrans a pretty good and easy forward 3rd mineral only is good for terran. also the way the bases are set up really allows terrans to death ball push and then kill off multiple bases at oncewhen they separate a few tanks out .
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7002 Posts
December 27 2016 11:41 GMT
#284
poor Sea.movie pvt is so tricky :D
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-27 11:43:52
December 27 2016 11:41 GMT
#285
On December 27 2016 20:40 classicyellow83 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 20:35 12312312333112 wrote:
I don't know this map too well but it seems heavily protoss favored. I can't really see an endgame push here for T. And the arbiters just bypassed all the static d sea set up.

Basically every protoss on afreeca said that is toss favored in PvT except for Bisu.

Lets face it though, Bisu probably knows best
And in my own uneducated opinion. It seems good for T for me. Terran has multiple timings to hit the choke north/or south of the natural at a 3 protoss base timing. Like Sea tried to do this game but Rain was too strong, because he made the correct decision of massing off 2 base.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
12312312333112
Profile Joined December 2016
11 Posts
December 27 2016 11:42 GMT
#286
On December 27 2016 20:40 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 20:38 12312312333112 wrote:
On December 27 2016 20:36 Ej_ wrote:
On December 27 2016 20:35 12312312333112 wrote:
I don't know this map too well but it seems heavily protoss favored. I can't really see an endgame push here for T. And the arbiters just bypassed all the static d sea set up.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/maps/407_Benzene
sub 50%

Interesting. Looks bad for T but maybe because of the choke between the production and the other bases terran can cut it off like sea is doing now.

benzene is a good map for terrans. the forward and close mineral expansion is a good staging point and any map that gives terrans a pretty good and easy forward 3rd mineral only is good for terran. also the way the bases are set up really allows terrans to death ball push and then kill off multiple bases at oncewhen they separate a few tanks out .

Makes sense. It seems like if protoss holds the center and the bridges it could just deny any terran push, but maybe there are enough defensible bases that the terran is happy chilling. Until carriers anyway.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
December 27 2016 11:43 GMT
#287
Didn't we get enough of the Artosis hype in SC2?
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7002 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-27 11:45:07
December 27 2016 11:44 GMT
#288
What i dont understand is why Rain didnt punish the early fourth expansion by Sea.doing this this game pretty much over.also to me Benzene is very complicate to control vs mass recalls.but neither was Rains plan.
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
December 27 2016 11:45 GMT
#289
Flash: "I don't understand why all protosses don't go carriers every game on benzene. It's too good on this map"

Flash vs Bisu on Benzene (Spon Match)

Flash wins against carriers...........
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12312312333112
Profile Joined December 2016
11 Posts
December 27 2016 11:45 GMT
#290
On December 27 2016 20:44 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
What i dont understand is why Rain didnt punish the early fourth expansion by Sea.doing this this game pretty much over.also to me Benzene is very complicate to control vs mass recalls.but it neither it was Rains plan.

He chose to all-in the main instead, which definitely is questionable. Denying the expansion like you suggest would probably have been more valuable.
12312312333112
Profile Joined December 2016
11 Posts
December 27 2016 11:46 GMT
#291
On December 27 2016 20:45 classicyellow83 wrote:
Flash: "I don't understand why all protosses don't go carriers every game on benzene. It's too good on this map"

Flash vs Bisu on Benzene (Spon Match)

Flash wins against carriers...........

Yeah but that's Flash... against Bisu's carriers. Easily the worst carrier user out of the good protosses.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-27 11:47:32
December 27 2016 11:46 GMT
#292
On December 27 2016 20:44 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
What i dont understand is why Rain didnt punish the early fourth expansion by Sea.doing this this game pretty much over.also to me Benzene is very complicate to control vs mass recalls.but neither was Rains plan.

Of course I dont know for sure but I would imagine this would result in Sea stuffing the protoss main and wiping out his gates. Then of course Rain could counter the main and hope to break but thats a very all in situation Rain probably wanted to avoid.

I have to say Movie looks much stronger than Rain despite the hype from the casters. He should do very well against Sea.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-27 11:47:42
December 27 2016 11:47 GMT
#293
Movie vs Sea for the last ticket to the Ro8, comin' up...

Should be good.
User was warned for being hilarious
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8676 Posts
December 27 2016 11:47 GMT
#294
On December 27 2016 20:44 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
What i dont understand is why Rain didnt punish the early fourth expansion by Sea.doing this this game pretty much over.also to me Benzene is very complicate to control vs mass recalls.but neither was Rains plan.


Huh? He didn't have the army to do so, no?

On December 27 2016 20:45 classicyellow83 wrote:
Flash: "I don't understand why all protosses don't go carriers every game on benzene. It's too good on this map"

Flash vs Bisu on Benzene (Spon Match)

Flash wins against carriers...........


Mindgames. xD Well, and Bisu can't do carriers for shit.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10495 Posts
December 27 2016 11:48 GMT
#295
On December 27 2016 20:45 classicyellow83 wrote:
Flash: "I don't understand why all protosses don't go carriers every game on benzene. It's too good on this map"

Flash vs Bisu on Benzene (Spon Match)

Flash wins against carriers...........

flash goliaths do extra damage

also bisu's carriers suck. theres a reason when flash vs bisu in the allstars match on benzene where they race switched, flash went carriers and was basically taunting bisu like "this is how you use carriers"
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classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
December 27 2016 11:48 GMT
#296
On December 27 2016 20:46 12312312333112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 20:45 classicyellow83 wrote:
Flash: "I don't understand why all protosses don't go carriers every game on benzene. It's too good on this map"

Flash vs Bisu on Benzene (Spon Match)

Flash wins against carriers...........

Yeah but that's Flash... against Bisu's carriers. Easily the worst carrier user out of the good protosses.

He's won all carrier games this month except against Flash.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
December 27 2016 11:48 GMT
#297
let's go sea! Sea fighting ~
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10495 Posts
December 27 2016 11:48 GMT
#298
for the sake of having a terran in the round of 8 i hope sea makes it.
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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
December 27 2016 11:49 GMT
#299
Proxy gates from Movie
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9540 Posts
December 27 2016 11:49 GMT
#300
cheese for the final game, perfect ^^
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