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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
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Shimy
United States771 Posts
On October 16 2015 08:54 Qikz wrote: I haven't played in ages, I got to C- before the rank change thing and I spent a lot of time after that running tournaments. It'd be nice to play again. DeSPA gogo. Going to sign up? | ||
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feckless
1099 Posts
On October 16 2015 03:35 JieXian wrote: after reading about all the exceptions above, I think we should also make an exception to let ninazerg from Team Despa. I do know that she isn't a D ranker nor a C- but she has made a lot of contributions to the community of D rankers. She often gives advice on the TL Strat subforum to us D rank noobs, she has posted detailed and in-depth strategy guides, and entertained a lot of us with her sarcastic wit and satire in her blogs. She is not a D ranker but she is definitely a part of our community. And if people aren't satisfied and think it'll be too one-sided, we could also ask her to offrace to keep things even. And if the D / C- rankers still object they should just try practicing harder and stop being greedy bastards. This is all starting to sound oddly familiar... Anyway, at one game a week, this tournament actually coincides with my average rate of play. This might be doable. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On October 16 2015 03:35 JieXian wrote: after reading about all the exceptions above, I think we should also make an exception to let ninazerg from Team Despa. I do know that she isn't a D ranker nor a C- but she has made a lot of contributions to the community of D rankers. She often gives advice on the TL Strat subforum to us D rank noobs, she has posted detailed and in-depth strategy guides, and entertained a lot of us with her sarcastic wit and satire in her blogs. She is not a D ranker but she is definitely a part of our community. And if people aren't satisfied and think it'll be too one-sided, we could also ask her to offrace to keep things even. And if the D / C- rankers still object they should just try practicing harder and stop being greedy bastards. you're serious? If scan makes a ton of contributions he isn't eligible to play either. And if a Nina is good enough to teach newbies, it certainly only means she is too good for them, otherwise coaching would be futile. It's kinda self-explanatory. then, i honestly don't think she's too good, so it's not an issue for me. But your logic their was a bit strange (; | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On October 16 2015 10:04 Cele wrote: you're serious? If scan makes a ton of contributions he isn't eligible to play either. And if a Nina suited and good enough to teach a newbies, it certainly only means she is too good for them, otherwise coaching would be futile. It's kinda self-explanatory. then, i honestly don't think she's too good, so it's not an issue for me. But your logic their was a bit strange (; That actually isn't true. The best coaches in almost any activity tend to be worse players than the top athletes they coach. Generally you need some level of competency to be a coach, but you never have to be better than someone in order to coach them. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
No idea who is still around tbh. I've been generally out of the loop for the past 6-12 months, asides from keeping light tabs on the SOSPA and new top foreign developments. Worth nothing I'll probably be in to cast some matches. Bahaha! You must have missed the whole situation with Scan. Basically TL decided to let Scan play in foreign events, using more or less the statement JieXian rephrased for Nina. Eventually the decision was reversed because Scan was too imba and most of the top foreign guys didn't care for a league in which they would lose out on prize money and more or less be regulated to playing for the remaining two podium spots. My love for  EffOrt and Neo.G Badass Motherfucker (except for the fact he plays SC2) won out. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On October 16 2015 10:17 L_Master wrote: That actually isn't true. The best coaches in almost any activity tend to be worse players than the top athletes they coach. Generally you need some level of competency to be a coach, but you never have to be better than someone in order to coach them. that's true for retired players who were quite good when they were active. But a player with a worse understanding of the game isn't suited to be a coach. And honestly, show me the D rank player who understands the game better than a stable C rank. It's not happening and you know your point is hypothetical here. €: to make myslef clear. I don't mind Nina or any other decent player participating in this. I think Shimy as the TO just has to be clear, what his goal is with this tournament. If you invite stable C ranks and perhaps even C+ in the tournament, it will make the event such, that a solid D or D+ will have not a whole lot of chance, or no chance at all, to win versus those. On the other hand you open your league to more players, who will enjoy participating, It's a tradeoff you have to be aware off. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On October 16 2015 10:24 Cele wrote: that's true for retired players who were quite good when they were active. But a player with a worse understanding of the game isn't suited to be a coach. And honestly, show me the D rank player who understands the game better than a stable C rank. It's not happening and you know your point is hypothetical here. I wouldn't argue with that. But notice where I wrote: Generally you need some level of competency to be a coach As a general rule, I don't really think any of us in D truly deserve the word competent. We might now how to keep our bikes upright, but if it comes to cornering fast, obstacles, or bunny-hopping we are lost. Although it's exceedingly rare, I'd be willing to be there are occasional guys as low as C/B that understand the game as well as guys that are A or better, but simply don't play often enough to be able to put that understanding to good use. EDIT: With regard to the Shimy/Nina stuff, I think he wasn't aware of the Scan parody JeiXian was going for and took the post seriously. I think, and am pretty sure Shimy does as well, that if you're going to make it a rank cap, then you cap it at that rank. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On October 16 2015 10:19 L_Master wrote: No idea who is still around tbh. I've been generally out of the loop for the past 6-12 months, asides from keeping light tabs on the SOSPA and new top foreign developments. Worth nothing I'll probably be in to cast some matches. Bahaha! You must have missed the whole situation with Scan. Basically TL decided to let Scan play in foreign events, using more or less the statement JieXian rephrased for Nina. Eventually the decision was reversed because Scan was too imba and most of the top foreign guys didn't care for a league in which they would lose out on prize money and more or less be regulated to playing for the remaining two podium spots. My love for EffOrt and Neo.G Badass Motherfucker (except for the fact he plays SC2) won out. i was quite involved in it and that's why i made the point. Scan DID contribute and he IS too good. The To had to revoke their decision and that was a wise move. Im not saying Nina is like Scan in that comparison, as i said before i think she fit's in fine. But the argument that i replied to was kinda wrong and i just pointed that out. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
Ultimately, I felt TL made the wrong decision there. To me, it seemed like they ended up excluding Scan not because he didn't fit the definition of a forienger (which would have been a decision that made sense, though not having fully considered that before allowing him was bad to begin with) but because people were concerned with his skill. Yes, Scan would have stomped everyone and cruised to first, baring the shock of the century. So what? TL tours do not have a skill cap. I don't understand why you would exclude someone based on skill, unless your criteria for the league is between, or less than, certain skill level. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On October 16 2015 10:42 L_Master wrote: Scan situation is very different to this one though. This one exists as an attempt to impose at least a form of a skill cap. The Scan/TL foreign decision is not concerned with skill, but rather with the definition of a TL community member and foreigner. Ultimately, I felt TL made the wrong decision there. To me, it seemed like they ended up excluding Scan not because he didn't fit the definition of a forienger (which would have been a decision that made sense, though not having fully considered that before allowing him was bad to begin with) but because people were concerned with his skill. Yes, Scan would have stomped everyone and cruised to first, baring the shock of the century. So what? TL tours do not have a skill cap. I don't understand why you would exclude someone based on skill, unless your criteria for the league is between, or less than, certain skill level. I can sympathize with your thinking here- in fact i've shared it for the most time during the controversy. But let's not derail this thread too much, we are getting off topic. so i'll stop it here :> | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
I'm not suggesting that I'm "too good" for any of you guys by mentioning this. If you want to play some games with me for fun, even stuff like BGH, 2v2v2v2, race wars, and so on, I'd be happy to play. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
The Bureaucracy + Show Spoiler + Team name is subject to change, pending formal review  Stardom Eywa- LMaster Shimy | ||
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Shimy
United States771 Posts
On October 16 2015 12:59 Eywa- wrote: Okay, I think? We've formed a team... The Bureaucracy + Show Spoiler + Team name is subject to change, pending formal review Stardom Eywa- LMaster ShimyWe didn't form a team, we have formed a dynasty. | ||
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PhilipJayFry
Germany30 Posts
Count me in: Name: BaD]Fry Race: Terran Max iCCup Rank: D/D+ (Profile) Country: Germany I would like to team up with Cele if he plays. So here my shout out to Cele: “Go register and convince the other Bratwürstchen to do so too! Otherwise I will annoy you myself next week when I finally get internet in my new flat…”  If team Sauerbraten doesn’t come true, I would be fine with any team, preferably with some former TAKK members  | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On October 16 2015 09:56 feckless wrote: This is all starting to sound oddly familiar... Anyway, at one game a week, this tournament actually coincides with my average rate of play. This might be doable. On October 16 2015 10:04 Cele wrote: you're serious? If scan makes a ton of contributions he isn't eligible to play either. And if a Nina is good enough to teach newbies, it certainly only means she is too good for them, otherwise coaching would be futile. It's kinda self-explanatory. then, i honestly don't think she's too good, so it's not an issue for me. But your logic their was a bit strange (; hahahahahahahaha guys I was kidding by drawing parallels to a certain dramatic event :D I don't want nina to be smashing our faces | ||
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Yaqoob
Canada3325 Posts
Race rotssMax iCCup Rank: C+ (5-6 years ago) Country: Canada I reached C+ a few times about 5-6 years ago. However, I am currently 4400 C right now and I achieved that through about 100 games in the first 3-4 weeks of this new season so I would assume that I am also going to reach C+ this season. | ||
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ArtOfBlack
Poland93 Posts
Race(define if Race Picker): Terran Max iCCup Rank: C Country: Poland | ||
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Shimy
United States771 Posts
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On October 16 2015 21:31 Shimy wrote: -accidental post- Classic. Also, I think to avoid misunderstanding, you should address how you're going to handle former C ranks (old iccup). Even if they're inactive, they will pick it up very quickly once they start playing actively again. It's clear that they'll be the strongest players in the league... Just not by how much. Can you elaborate on if they're considered edge cases as well? And how you think it will positively/negatively affect the league? | ||
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