|
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1j7lDMO.jpg) Graphics by c3rberUsWelcome Mid-Rank Players!
Introduction
Hello, Everyone! It's been a while since the 'Amateur StarLeague' brand has been in commission, but it is coming back in full force with a team league!
This league is the successor of the popular DRTL and is for D and C ranks players ONLY! It is a team league designed to promote a fun environment for lower ranked Brood War players to grow and strengthen their skill on a weekly basis. It also presents a unique opportunity for these players to compete against others of a similar skill level.
Format
Due to the decreasing player pool, the Amateur TeamLeague organization and staff want to make playing in this league as easy as possible. The approach is designed to allow players to play their matches at the times most convenient to them within a given week. Each player is only required to play one game a week. More on this further down:
- Tournament format is subject to change depending on the amount of players and also their ranks. All D and C ranks players are encouraged to sign up.
- Teams will play a Bo5 every week with line-up submitted by the team captain. You may not play the same player twice in the same week.
- Each team is given one week to play their matches. Players are responsible for communicating with their opponent to set up a convenient time to play their match.
- Line-ups will be posted in this thread every Saturday at the same time. Teams have until the following Friday 03:59 GMT (+00:00) to play all of their matches and submit replays. After all replays are acquired, team captains will submit line-ups for the following week.
- Teams will play a round robin format which means each team will play each other at least once (depending on how many teams register)
- All matches must be played + Show Spoiler +
it's just one game a week per person, guys...
The Cats MeoW vs Team asdfjkl;
Jaedong <Demian> FlaSh
OpenCanTuna <Match Point> CarrotTAWP
basement.dweller <La Mancha> CaliforniaLiving
TenFour <Othello> TinFoil
CopyCat <Heartbeat> Teeth[shield]
Team The Cats MeoW receive 4 points . Team Team asdfjkl; receive 1 point.
- Number of weeks determined by the amount of teams/players signed up.
- The top 4 teams at the end of the round robin matches move onto the playoffs. Example: + Show Spoiler +
- Sign ups will last until November 5th and the first weeks line up will be posted November 6th.
Maps
Rules
- All players are subject to administrative discretion.
- This league is for D and C ranks players only using the iCCup ladder ranking system.
- Anti-hack must be used in order to play in this league. I suggest mca64launcher.
- Don't cheat.
- Don't smurf, there's no point. + Show Spoiler +
We will all shame you if you are A+ player farming low ranks. You'd just be ruining the fun for everyone >,>
- All replays must be sent to theamateurstarleague@gmail.com. Each player is responsible for sending his/her replay.
- Team Captains must send line ups.
- Captains do not have to be D/C ranks. Obviously they can't play in the league, but they can help organize/coach players.
- Coaches are allowed and encouraged. Once again, they do not have to be D/C ranks.
- Unplayable lag cases are handled on a case-to-case basis.
- Players that reach B- during any point of the League are allowed to remain in the league (It's about that improvement!)
- There are no substitutions in this league for any match. You have a week to play your match. If your opponent is consistently dodging you or you have trouble getting in touch with them, PM Shimy and the situation will be handled with his discretion. Failure to do so may result in a W.O.
- Teams must have at least 5 players
- Teams may add players during the course of the league.
Sign Ups/Team Registration
Sign ups will last until Thursday, November 5th 03:59 GMT (+00:00).
To Sign up as an individual:
Post the following in this thread:
Name:
Race(define if Race Picker):
Max iCCup Rank:
Country:
To Sign up as a full team/partial team:
Post the above in this thread for EACH OF YOUR PLAYERS.
Teams and free agents will be listed in the post below.
Interested in Helping or Casting?
Shoot me a PM
|
|
|
|
|
Is it C- max old iCCup or new? Most players from DRTL would be above C rank now.
|
Oh ya ladder point inflation is a problem, and sticking to old ranks might be confusing. I for one haven't been playing in the new system and I don't know how good C rank is, but of course we should use the equivalent of the old system since it's the level of play that is important, not their rank
|
you realize that you picked colloseum 1 and not colloseum 2, HBR 1 and not HBR 2.1, matchpoint 1.1 and not matchpoint 1.3? (dont remember the differences in othello, bluestorm, la mancha, so i cant tell it)
|
On October 15 2015 19:18 Bakuryu wrote:
you realize that you picked colloseum 1 and not colloseum 2, HBR 1 and not HBR 2.1, matchpoint 1.1 and not matchpoint 1.3? (dont remember the differences in othello, bluestorm, la mancha, so i cant tell it)
I think he is simply linking to the prominent Liquipedia images at the top of every map page.
|
On October 15 2015 15:39 Sero wrote:
Is it C- max old iCCup or new? Most players from DRTL would be above C rank now.
Because I'm trying to gather the largest player pool possible, it's either. With the new ladder ranking system, it's difficult to judge a persons skill. I want as many people to play as possible, so if several C ranked players want to sign up(new and old iccup), I'll adjust the format in a way it wouldn't be a slaughter for D rankers.
EDIT: This being said, teams who have played in previous DRTL I highly encourage to sign up for this. If ranks are an issue, we'll edit the format to fit the situation.
|
On October 15 2015 19:18 Bakuryu wrote:
you realize that you picked colloseum 1 and not colloseum 2, HBR 1 and not HBR 2.1, matchpoint 1.1 and not matchpoint 1.3? (dont remember the differences in othello, bluestorm, la mancha, so i cant tell it)
Yeah, I just picked the first image that came up. I'll fix it.
EDIT: Obviously, the tournament will use the most up to date versions of each map.
|
Name: EmptyCup (for purposes of skill verification, I previously played on iCCup as "Aiur8_chobo")
Race: Protoss
Max iCCup Rank: D
Country: my location is Korea
Thank you so much for this, Shimy!
Let us all meet in glorious battle! 
|
this looks sweet! However me and the guys i play with regulary are all above C- in the new system. Where exactly do you do draw the line? I Imagine that i would be allowed to play with my Acc, Season 36, but is this guy out with C+ 58 to 48 this season?
|
On October 15 2015 23:29 Cele wrote:this looks sweet! However me and the guys i play with regulary are all above C- in the new system. Where exactly do you do draw the line? I Imagine that i would be allowed to play with my Acc, Season 36, but is this guy out with C+ 58 to 48 this season?
Attention players!
This is a good example of one of these "grey area" cases in the league.
The organization will allow both Cele and Fischei to play in the league.
Even though both are above the C- cap, both have done so after the new iCCup ladder ranking system + Show Spoiler +and with so-so records. no offense.
Depending on how many of these cases arise, tournament format is subject to change to allow a more fair play field.
Keep signing up! ^^
|
Name:Stardom[eMg]
Race(define if Race Picker): Terran
Max iCCup Rank: C- in old system but haven't laddered recently due to playing LoL and being in College.
Country: USA
|
Edit: Registration cancelled
|
|
|
after reading about all the exceptions above, I think we should also make an exception to let ninazerg from Team Despa.
I do know that she isn't a D ranker nor a C- but she has made a lot of contributions to the community of D rankers. She often gives advice on the TL Strat subforum to us D rank noobs, she has posted detailed and in-depth strategy guides, and entertained a lot of us with her sarcastic wit and satire in her blogs.
She is not a D ranker but she is definitely a part of our community.
And if people aren't satisfied and think it'll be too one-sided, we could also ask her to offrace to keep things even.
And if the D / C- rankers still object they should just try practicing harder and stop being greedy bastards.
|
Sign me up as a free agent.
Name: LMaster
Race(define if Race Picker):  ( v )
Max iCCup Rank: D+
Country: USA
Possible captain if neccessary.
|
On October 16 2015 05:05 L_Master wrote:Sign me up as a free agent. Name: LMaster Race(define if Race Picker): ( v ) Max iCCup Rank: D+ Country: USA Possible captain if neccessary.
Zerg? 
|
On October 16 2015 03:35 JieXian wrote:
after reading about all the exceptions above, I think we should also make an exception to let ninazerg from Team Despa.
I do know that she isn't a D ranker nor a C- but she has made a lot of contributions to the community of D rankers. She often gives advice on the TL Strat subforum to us D rank noobs, she has posted detailed and in-depth strategy guides, and entertained a lot of us with her sarcastic wit and satire in her blogs.
She is not a D ranker but she is definitely a part of our community.
And if people aren't satisfied and think it'll be too one-sided, we could also ask her to offrace to keep things even.
And if the D / C- rankers still object they should just try practicing harder and stop being greedy bastards.
I'm all for it! Nina can play.
EDIT: Are you planning on signing up Team Despa?
|
On October 16 2015 05:05 L_Master wrote:Sign me up as a free agent. Name: LMaster Race(define if Race Picker): ( v ) Max iCCup Rank: D+ Country: USA Possible captain if neccessary.
Any chance at getting TAKK together?
|
United Kingdom12022 Posts
I haven't played in ages, I got to C- before the rank change thing and I spent a lot of time after that running tournaments. It'd be nice to play again.
DeSPA gogo.
|
On October 16 2015 08:54 Qikz wrote:
I haven't played in ages, I got to C- before the rank change thing and I spent a lot of time after that running tournaments. It'd be nice to play again.
DeSPA gogo.
Going to sign up?
|
On October 16 2015 03:35 JieXian wrote:
after reading about all the exceptions above, I think we should also make an exception to let ninazerg from Team Despa.
I do know that she isn't a D ranker nor a C- but she has made a lot of contributions to the community of D rankers. She often gives advice on the TL Strat subforum to us D rank noobs, she has posted detailed and in-depth strategy guides, and entertained a lot of us with her sarcastic wit and satire in her blogs.
She is not a D ranker but she is definitely a part of our community.
And if people aren't satisfied and think it'll be too one-sided, we could also ask her to offrace to keep things even.
And if the D / C- rankers still object they should just try practicing harder and stop being greedy bastards.
This is all starting to sound oddly familiar...
Anyway, at one game a week, this tournament actually coincides with my average rate of play. This might be doable.
|
On October 16 2015 03:35 JieXian wrote:
after reading about all the exceptions above, I think we should also make an exception to let ninazerg from Team Despa.
I do know that she isn't a D ranker nor a C- but she has made a lot of contributions to the community of D rankers. She often gives advice on the TL Strat subforum to us D rank noobs, she has posted detailed and in-depth strategy guides, and entertained a lot of us with her sarcastic wit and satire in her blogs.
She is not a D ranker but she is definitely a part of our community.
And if people aren't satisfied and think it'll be too one-sided, we could also ask her to offrace to keep things even.
And if the D / C- rankers still object they should just try practicing harder and stop being greedy bastards.
you're serious? If scan makes a ton of contributions he isn't eligible to play either. And if a Nina is good enough to teach newbies, it certainly only means she is too good for them, otherwise coaching would be futile. It's kinda self-explanatory.
then, i honestly don't think she's too good, so it's not an issue for me. But your logic their was a bit strange (;
|
On October 16 2015 10:04 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2015 03:35 JieXian wrote:
after reading about all the exceptions above, I think we should also make an exception to let ninazerg from Team Despa.
I do know that she isn't a D ranker nor a C- but she has made a lot of contributions to the community of D rankers. She often gives advice on the TL Strat subforum to us D rank noobs, she has posted detailed and in-depth strategy guides, and entertained a lot of us with her sarcastic wit and satire in her blogs.
She is not a D ranker but she is definitely a part of our community.
And if people aren't satisfied and think it'll be too one-sided, we could also ask her to offrace to keep things even.
And if the D / C- rankers still object they should just try practicing harder and stop being greedy bastards. you're serious? If scan makes a ton of contributions he isn't eligible to play either. And if a Nina suited and good enough to teach a newbies, it certainly only means she is too good for them, otherwise coaching would be futile. It's kinda self-explanatory.
then, i honestly don't think she's too good, so it's not an issue for me. But your logic their was a bit strange (;
That actually isn't true. The best coaches in almost any activity tend to be worse players than the top athletes they coach. Generally you need some level of competency to be a coach, but you never have to be better than someone in order to coach them.
|
On October 16 2015 06:55 Shimy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2015 05:05 L_Master wrote:Sign me up as a free agent. Name: LMaster Race(define if Race Picker): ( v ) Max iCCup Rank: D+ Country: USA Possible captain if neccessary. Any chance at getting TAKK together?
No idea who is still around tbh. I've been generally out of the loop for the past 6-12 months, asides from keeping light tabs on the SOSPA and new top foreign developments.
Worth nothing I'll probably be in to cast some matches.
On October 16 2015 06:44 Shimy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2015 03:35 JieXian wrote:
after reading about all the exceptions above, I think we should also make an exception to let ninazerg from Team Despa.
I do know that she isn't a D ranker nor a C- but she has made a lot of contributions to the community of D rankers. She often gives advice on the TL Strat subforum to us D rank noobs, she has posted detailed and in-depth strategy guides, and entertained a lot of us with her sarcastic wit and satire in her blogs.
She is not a D ranker but she is definitely a part of our community.
And if people aren't satisfied and think it'll be too one-sided, we could also ask her to offrace to keep things even.
And if the D / C- rankers still object they should just try practicing harder and stop being greedy bastards. I'm all for it! Nina can play.
Bahaha! You must have missed the whole situation with Scan. Basically TL decided to let Scan play in foreign events, using more or less the statement JieXian rephrased for Nina. Eventually the decision was reversed because Scan was too imba and most of the top foreign guys didn't care for a league in which they would lose out on prize money and more or less be regulated to playing for the remaining two podium spots.
On October 16 2015 05:25 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2015 05:05 L_Master wrote:Sign me up as a free agent. Name: LMaster Race(define if Race Picker): ( v ) Max iCCup Rank: D+ Country: USA Possible captain if neccessary. Zerg?
My love for EffOrt and Neo.G Badass Motherfucker (except for the fact he plays SC2) won out.
|
On October 16 2015 10:17 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2015 10:04 Cele wrote:On October 16 2015 03:35 JieXian wrote:
after reading about all the exceptions above, I think we should also make an exception to let ninazerg from Team Despa.
I do know that she isn't a D ranker nor a C- but she has made a lot of contributions to the community of D rankers. She often gives advice on the TL Strat subforum to us D rank noobs, she has posted detailed and in-depth strategy guides, and entertained a lot of us with her sarcastic wit and satire in her blogs.
She is not a D ranker but she is definitely a part of our community.
And if people aren't satisfied and think it'll be too one-sided, we could also ask her to offrace to keep things even.
And if the D / C- rankers still object they should just try practicing harder and stop being greedy bastards. you're serious? If scan makes a ton of contributions he isn't eligible to play either. And if a Nina suited and good enough to teach a newbies, it certainly only means she is too good for them, otherwise coaching would be futile. It's kinda self-explanatory.
then, i honestly don't think she's too good, so it's not an issue for me. But your logic their was a bit strange (; That actually isn't true. The best coaches in almost any activity tend to be worse players than the top athletes they coach. Generally you need some level of competency to be a coach, but you never have to be better than someone in order to coach them.
that's true for retired players who were quite good when they were active. But a player with a worse understanding of the game isn't suited to be a coach. And honestly, show me the D rank player who understands the game better than a stable C rank. It's not happening and you know your point is hypothetical here.
€: to make myslef clear. I don't mind Nina or any other decent player participating in this. I think Shimy as the TO just has to be clear, what his goal is with this tournament. If you invite stable C ranks and perhaps even C+ in the tournament, it will make the event such, that a solid D or D+ will have not a whole lot of chance, or no chance at all, to win versus those.
On the other hand you open your league to more players, who will enjoy participating, It's a tradeoff you have to be aware off.
|
On October 16 2015 10:24 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2015 10:17 L_Master wrote:On October 16 2015 10:04 Cele wrote:On October 16 2015 03:35 JieXian wrote:
after reading about all the exceptions above, I think we should also make an exception to let ninazerg from Team Despa.
I do know that she isn't a D ranker nor a C- but she has made a lot of contributions to the community of D rankers. She often gives advice on the TL Strat subforum to us D rank noobs, she has posted detailed and in-depth strategy guides, and entertained a lot of us with her sarcastic wit and satire in her blogs.
She is not a D ranker but she is definitely a part of our community.
And if people aren't satisfied and think it'll be too one-sided, we could also ask her to offrace to keep things even.
And if the D / C- rankers still object they should just try practicing harder and stop being greedy bastards. you're serious? If scan makes a ton of contributions he isn't eligible to play either. And if a Nina suited and good enough to teach a newbies, it certainly only means she is too good for them, otherwise coaching would be futile. It's kinda self-explanatory.
then, i honestly don't think she's too good, so it's not an issue for me. But your logic their was a bit strange (; That actually isn't true. The best coaches in almost any activity tend to be worse players than the top athletes they coach. Generally you need some level of competency to be a coach, but you never have to be better than someone in order to coach them. that's true for retired players who were quite good when they were active. But a player with a worse understanding of the game isn't suited to be a coach. And honestly, show me the D rank player who understands the game better than a stable C rank. It's not happening and you know your point is hypothetical here.
I wouldn't argue with that.
But notice where I wrote:
Generally you need some level of competency to be a coach
As a general rule, I don't really think any of us in D truly deserve the word competent. We might now how to keep our bikes upright, but if it comes to cornering fast, obstacles, or bunny-hopping we are lost.
Although it's exceedingly rare, I'd be willing to be there are occasional guys as low as C/B that understand the game as well as guys that are A or better, but simply don't play often enough to be able to put that understanding to good use.
EDIT: With regard to the Shimy/Nina stuff, I think he wasn't aware of the Scan parody JeiXian was going for and took the post seriously. I think, and am pretty sure Shimy does as well, that if you're going to make it a rank cap, then you cap it at that rank.
|
On October 16 2015 10:19 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2015 06:55 Shimy wrote:On October 16 2015 05:05 L_Master wrote:Sign me up as a free agent. Name: LMaster Race(define if Race Picker): ( v ) Max iCCup Rank: D+ Country: USA Possible captain if neccessary. Any chance at getting TAKK together? No idea who is still around tbh. I've been generally out of the loop for the past 6-12 months, asides from keeping light tabs on the SOSPA and new top foreign developments. Worth nothing I'll probably be in to cast some matches. Show nested quote +On October 16 2015 06:44 Shimy wrote:On October 16 2015 03:35 JieXian wrote:
after reading about all the exceptions above, I think we should also make an exception to let ninazerg from Team Despa.
I do know that she isn't a D ranker nor a C- but she has made a lot of contributions to the community of D rankers. She often gives advice on the TL Strat subforum to us D rank noobs, she has posted detailed and in-depth strategy guides, and entertained a lot of us with her sarcastic wit and satire in her blogs.
She is not a D ranker but she is definitely a part of our community.
And if people aren't satisfied and think it'll be too one-sided, we could also ask her to offrace to keep things even.
And if the D / C- rankers still object they should just try practicing harder and stop being greedy bastards. I'm all for it! Nina can play. Bahaha! You must have missed the whole situation with Scan. Basically TL decided to let Scan play in foreign events, using more or less the statement JieXian rephrased for Nina. Eventually the decision was reversed because Scan was too imba and most of the top foreign guys didn't care for a league in which they would lose out on prize money and more or less be regulated to playing for the remaining two podium spots. Show nested quote +On October 16 2015 05:25 Eywa- wrote:On October 16 2015 05:05 L_Master wrote:Sign me up as a free agent. Name: LMaster Race(define if Race Picker): ( v ) Max iCCup Rank: D+ Country: USA Possible captain if neccessary. Zerg? My love for EffOrt and Neo.G Badass Motherfucker (except for the fact he plays SC2) won out.
i was quite involved in it and that's why i made the point. Scan DID contribute and he IS too good. The To had to revoke their decision and that was a wise move. Im not saying Nina is like Scan in that comparison, as i said before i think she fit's in fine. But the argument that i replied to was kinda wrong and i just pointed that out.
|
Scan situation is very different to this one though. This one exists as an attempt to impose at least a form of a skill cap. The Scan/TL foreign decision is not concerned with skill, but rather with the definition of a TL community member and foreigner.
Ultimately, I felt TL made the wrong decision there. To me, it seemed like they ended up excluding Scan not because he didn't fit the definition of a forienger (which would have been a decision that made sense, though not having fully considered that before allowing him was bad to begin with) but because people were concerned with his skill.
Yes, Scan would have stomped everyone and cruised to first, baring the shock of the century. So what? TL tours do not have a skill cap. I don't understand why you would exclude someone based on skill, unless your criteria for the league is between, or less than, certain skill level.
|
On October 16 2015 10:42 L_Master wrote:
Scan situation is very different to this one though. This one exists as an attempt to impose at least a form of a skill cap. The Scan/TL foreign decision is not concerned with skill, but rather with the definition of a TL community member and foreigner.
Ultimately, I felt TL made the wrong decision there. To me, it seemed like they ended up excluding Scan not because he didn't fit the definition of a forienger (which would have been a decision that made sense, though not having fully considered that before allowing him was bad to begin with) but because people were concerned with his skill.
Yes, Scan would have stomped everyone and cruised to first, baring the shock of the century. So what? TL tours do not have a skill cap. I don't understand why you would exclude someone based on skill, unless your criteria for the league is between, or less than, certain skill level.
I can sympathize with your thinking here- in fact i've shared it for the most time during the controversy. But let's not derail this thread too much, we are getting off topic. so i'll stop it here :>
|
This really puts me in an awkward spot, because I never expressed any interest in competing in this league. I would never ask for a tournament host for a D/C- league to make a special exception for me. Also, while it makes me happy that some of the small contributions I have made to the StarCraft community are appreciated, it should be noted that many, many other very dedicated individuals have also made huge contributions.
I'm not suggesting that I'm "too good" for any of you guys by mentioning this. If you want to play some games with me for fun, even stuff like BGH, 2v2v2v2, race wars, and so on, I'd be happy to play.
|
|
|
On October 16 2015 12:59 Eywa- wrote:Okay, I think? We've formed a team... The Bureaucracy + Show Spoiler +Team name is subject to change, pending formal review  Stardom Eywa- LMaster Shimy
We didn't form a team, we have formed a dynasty.
|
Hey Shimy and all other contributors, thanks for organizing this!
Count me in:
Name: BaD]Fry
Race: Terran
Max iCCup Rank: D/D+ (Profile)
Country: Germany
I would like to team up with Cele if he plays.
So here my shout out to Cele: “Go register and convince the other Bratwürstchen to do so too! Otherwise I will annoy you myself next week when I finally get internet in my new flat…” 
If team Sauerbraten doesn’t come true, I would be fine with any team, preferably with some former TAKK members 
|
Shimy I'll leave it to our team captain, art of turtle to do the honours
On October 16 2015 09:56 feckless wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2015 03:35 JieXian wrote:
after reading about all the exceptions above, I think we should also make an exception to let ninazerg from Team Despa.
I do know that she isn't a D ranker nor a C- but she has made a lot of contributions to the community of D rankers. She often gives advice on the TL Strat subforum to us D rank noobs, she has posted detailed and in-depth strategy guides, and entertained a lot of us with her sarcastic wit and satire in her blogs.
She is not a D ranker but she is definitely a part of our community.
And if people aren't satisfied and think it'll be too one-sided, we could also ask her to offrace to keep things even.
And if the D / C- rankers still object they should just try practicing harder and stop being greedy bastards. This is all starting to sound oddly familiar... Anyway, at one game a week, this tournament actually coincides with my average rate of play. This might be doable.
On October 16 2015 10:04 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2015 03:35 JieXian wrote:
after reading about all the exceptions above, I think we should also make an exception to let ninazerg from Team Despa.
I do know that she isn't a D ranker nor a C- but she has made a lot of contributions to the community of D rankers. She often gives advice on the TL Strat subforum to us D rank noobs, she has posted detailed and in-depth strategy guides, and entertained a lot of us with her sarcastic wit and satire in her blogs.
She is not a D ranker but she is definitely a part of our community.
And if people aren't satisfied and think it'll be too one-sided, we could also ask her to offrace to keep things even.
And if the D / C- rankers still object they should just try practicing harder and stop being greedy bastards. you're serious? If scan makes a ton of contributions he isn't eligible to play either. And if a Nina is good enough to teach newbies, it certainly only means she is too good for them, otherwise coaching would be futile. It's kinda self-explanatory. then, i honestly don't think she's too good, so it's not an issue for me. But your logic their was a bit strange (;
hahahahahahahaha
guys I was kidding by drawing parallels to a certain dramatic event :D
I don't want nina to be smashing our faces
|
Name: sGs.Yaqoob
Racerotss
Max iCCup Rank: C+ (5-6 years ago)
Country: Canada
I reached C+ a few times about 5-6 years ago. However, I am currently 4400 C right now and I achieved that through about 100 games in the first 3-4 weeks of this new season so I would assume that I am also going to reach C+ this season.
|
Name: Taehee[KaL]
Race(define if Race Picker): Terran
Max iCCup Rank: C
Country: Poland
|
|
|
On October 16 2015 21:31 Shimy wrote:
-accidental post-
Classic.
Also, I think to avoid misunderstanding, you should address how you're going to handle former C ranks (old iccup). Even if they're inactive, they will pick it up very quickly once they start playing actively again. It's clear that they'll be the strongest players in the league... Just not by how much.
Can you elaborate on if they're considered edge cases as well? And how you think it will positively/negatively affect the league?
|
Also on a side note concerning this C rank discussion. I lose quite a lot to D/D+ and even C- players with average records like 21-18 D+ or 50-72 C-.
Maybe I am just bad at this game. That is probably the case but I don't see a big difference between C-/C and D+ level on ICCup now. It all depends who that C-/C is playing etc. I've seen lots of accounts where the guy is C- but he has played a lot of very good players or a bunch of C+ guys over and over and then you find a C player (like me) who plays whoever joins my game so my matchlist is mixed with me playing against C-/C and alot of D/D+ players and a B- mixed in here and there.
I don't think ones 'rank' really determines their skill. Just reaching a rank is one thing. Constantly staying at the rank over a bunch of games is another. If your playing on ICCup MOTW and you've reached your peak skill level and are losing more then your winning to people of your same rank you would still stay at that same rank otherwise you would slowly move up if you mass game.
Also, with this ICCup change that a C+ can play a D-/D and get 75 points or something similar (more with MOTW) then it makes getting a higher rank easier if someone abuses that.
This is just my opinion.
|
On October 16 2015 23:08 Yaqoob wrote:
Also on a side note concerning this C rank discussion. I lose quite a lot to D/D+ and even C- players with average records like 21-18 D+ or 50-72 C-.
Maybe I am just bad at this game. That is probably the case but I don't see a big difference between C-/C and D+ level on ICCup now. It all depends who that C+ is playing etc. I've seen lots of accounts where the guy is C- but he has played a lot of very good players or a bunch of C+ guys over and over and then you find a C player (like me) who plays whoever joins my game so my matchlist is mixed with me playing against C-/C and alot of D/D+ players and a B- mixed in here and there.
I don't think ones 'rank' really determines their skill. Just reaching a rank is one thing. Constantly staying at the rank over a bunch of games is another. If your playing on ICCup MOTW and you've reached your peak skill level and are losing more then your winning you would still stay at that said rank otherwise you would slowly move up if you mass game.
This is just my opinion.
I don't disagree.
The rank is "Yellow" and "Red" there is no such thing as + or - anymore with the new system.
+ Show Spoiler [In my experience at D+] +It's also important to note that regardless what the cap is, the skill difference will be massive. It's very difficult (former ranks) for a D rank to beat a D+. If you had a 50% winrate at D+ going up against 50% winrate D rank on the old system, you knew there was almost no chance of losing.
|
On October 16 2015 17:25 PhilipJayFry wrote:Hey Shimy and all other contributors, thanks for organizing this! Count me in: Name: BaD]Fry Race: Terran Max iCCup Rank: D/D+ (Profile)Country: Germany I would like to team up with Cele if he plays. So here my shout out to Cele: “Go register and convince the other Bratwürstchen to do so too! Otherwise I will annoy you myself next week when I finally get internet in my new flat…” If team Sauerbraten doesn’t come true, I would be fine with any team, preferably with some former TAKK members
working on Team Sauerbraten currently, we'll see :>
|
Time to sign up a partial team
![[image loading]](http://media.giphy.com/media/cegWQ66TiGYDK/giphy.gif)
Team DEsPA
Name:Art_Of_Turtle (Captain)
Race(define if Race Picker): 
Max iCCup Rank: C (not actually playing for the team)
Country: USA
Name:JXN
Race(define if Race Picker):
Max iCCup Rank: D+
Country: Malaysia
Name:Artanis
Race(define if Race Picker):
Max iCCup Rank: C
Country:Neverland
Name: BaD]Seed
Race(define if Race Picker):  (if Allowed)  (If random not allowed)
Max iCCup Rank:D+
Country: Germany
Name: Rocko
Race(define if Race Picker): v  v v
Max iCCup Rank:D+
Country: Germany
Name:Ninazerg (Unofficial Team Troll)
Race(define if Race Picker):
Max iCCup Rank: Pikachu Rank
Country: USA
Name:Qikz
Race(define if Race Picker):
Max iCCup Rank: C-
Country: Great Britain
Name:DazedSpy
Race(define if Race Picker):
Max iCCup Rank: C-
Country: USA
|
Name: f10eQQ
Race(define if Race Picker): Protoss
Max iCCup Rank: C after point inflation
Country: USA
Even though i reached a personal goal of C last season on one of my my accounts (50-45 stats), I was playing a long series vs one opponent on a map particularly good for PvT (10-15 on Jade ftw). Also, my main account is barely breaking C- with pretty terrible stats this season.
|
On October 17 2015 01:58 art_of_turtle wrote:Name:Artanis Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: C Country:Dutch?
The Netherlands. + Show Spoiler +
Name:Ninazerg (Unofficial Team Troll) Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: Pikachu Rank Country: USA
;-; why are you doing this
WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS
Just let me go, I won't tell the cops, I swear! I just want to go home! I just want to go home!
|
On October 17 2015 01:58 art_of_turtle wrote:Time to sign up a partial team Team DEsPA Name:Art_Of_Turtle (Captain) Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: C Country: USA Name:JXN Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: D+ Country: Malaysia Name:Artanis Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: C Country:Dutch? Name:ChrisSolo Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank:D+ Country: Germany Name: Rocko Race(define if Race Picker): v v v Max iCCup Rank:D+ Country: Germany Name:Ninazerg (Unofficial Team Troll) Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: Pikachu Rank Country: USA
Sorry but this realy beats the idea of having a d/c- teamleague. Both artanis and art of turtle are actuall y solid c ranks in the old system. I dont see why a team of d, d+ players should want to play in this.
|
On October 17 2015 05:05 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2015 01:58 art_of_turtle wrote:Time to sign up a partial team Team DEsPA Name:Art_Of_Turtle (Captain) Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: C Country: USA Name:JXN Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: D+ Country: Malaysia Name:Artanis Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: C Country:Dutch? Name:ChrisSolo Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank:D+ Country: Germany Name: Rocko Race(define if Race Picker): v v v Max iCCup Rank:D+ Country: Germany Name:Ninazerg (Unofficial Team Troll) Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: Pikachu Rank Country: USA Sorry but this realy beats the idea of having a d/c- teamleague. Both artanis and art of turtle are actuall y solid c ranks in the old system. I dont see why a team of d, d+ players should want to play in this.
sorry forgot to mention im just captain
Although I would like to make a case for Artanis since he hasnt played in a bit
|
On October 17 2015 05:05 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2015 01:58 art_of_turtle wrote:Time to sign up a partial team Team DEsPA Name:Art_Of_Turtle (Captain) Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: C Country: USA Name:JXN Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: D+ Country: Malaysia Name:Artanis Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: C Country:Dutch? Name:ChrisSolo Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank:D+ Country: Germany Name: Rocko Race(define if Race Picker): v v v Max iCCup Rank:D+ Country: Germany Name:Ninazerg (Unofficial Team Troll) Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: Pikachu Rank Country: USA Sorry but this realy beats the idea of having a d/c- teamleague. Both artanis and art of turtle are actuall y solid c ranks in the old system. I dont see why a team of d, d+ players should want to play in this.
I feel like I'm being obnoxiously contrary, but don't quite understand that.
Let me preface by saying I do agree if you're going to make a league with an attempt at a skill cap, and are using ICC ranks, you should set a hard cap without exceptions. It's the only way to be objective about it OR just state that you're doing a league primarily for D- to C-, but will make exceptions for well known players that may be close to that skill range.
I truly don't understand the bolded part though. Why would I, or any other D ranker, not want to play in this?
|
Name:dazed.
Race zerg
Max iCCup Rank: c- by the old standards
Country:canada
|
On October 17 2015 05:38 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2015 05:05 Cele wrote:On October 17 2015 01:58 art_of_turtle wrote:Time to sign up a partial team Team DEsPA Name:Art_Of_Turtle (Captain) Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: C Country: USA Name:JXN Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: D+ Country: Malaysia Name:Artanis Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: C Country:Dutch? Name:ChrisSolo Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank:D+ Country: Germany Name: Rocko Race(define if Race Picker): v v v Max iCCup Rank:D+ Country: Germany Name:Ninazerg (Unofficial Team Troll) Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: Pikachu Rank Country: USA Sorry but this realy beats the idea of having a d/c- teamleague. Both artanis and art of turtle are actuall y solid c ranks in the old system. I dont see why a team of d, d+ players should want to play in this. I feel like I'm being obnoxiously contrary, but don't quite understand that. Let me preface by saying I do agree if you're going to make a league with an attempt at a skill cap, and are using ICC ranks, you should set a hard cap without exceptions. It's the only way to be objective about it OR just state that you're doing a league primarily for D- to C-, but will make exceptions for well known players that may be close to that skill range. I truly don't understand the bolded part though. Why would I, or any other D ranker, not want to play in this?
I didn't phrase that really well, i intended to say that: I think a solid D rank player, that's a player who actively plays ladder and still hover's around the D icon has no valid chance to beat a player that good, the same is true for solid D+ ranks. That, in my opinion, beats the idea of the league, which is to give lower rank player a competetive environment where they have a decent shot at winning. That's why im opposed to it.
|
Russian Federation51 Posts
Name: iCCup.JiN
Race: random
max iCCup Rank: C(old reating sistem)
Country:RUSSIA
|
Name: CrispyDrone
Race: Zerg
max iCCup Rank: C-
Country: Belgium
New to brood war, started 4 (?) months ago. Dedicated to improving though.
|
Name: eSpi.LoCcxitO
Race: Terran
max iCCup Rank: C
Country: Perú
|
Canada11350 Posts
Name: sGs.Passafist
Race: Protoss
max iCCup Rank: D+ (old ladder)
Country: Canada
If sB reforms, I'll join them, but if not, I'll free agent.
|
Its pretty amazing that they are announcing this on ICCup server.
|
On October 17 2015 01:58 art_of_turtle wrote:Name:ChrisSolo Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank:D+ Country: Germany
I dont know why AoT didnt fix this, but my Name is chrisolo (ICC: BaD]Seed) and I will be playing Random (if its allowed, but it wasnt stated that it wasnt. In case it isn't allowed, I will be playing Protoss)
Edit:
On October 17 2015 06:01 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Name:dazed.
Race zerg
Max iCCup Rank: c- by the old standards
Country:canada
Dazed you should join DeSPA again, Mate!
|
Just to throw my opinion in there; I haven't played actively in months and I really have no idea as to my skill level. If it turns out I'm too good I'll be happy to resign from playing. If people think I'm likely too good/there's a lot of opposition to me playing I'm fine with not playing as well.
|
|
|
iccup acount romarior max c-
|
Name: romarior
Race: protos ter
max iCCup Rank: c-
Country:ukrainen
|
Russian Federation51 Posts
Team Sexy Gladiators
Name: iCCup.JiN
Race: random
max iCCup Rank: C
Country:RUSSIA
Name: romarior
Race: terran
max iCCup Rank: C-
Country:UKRAINE
Name: PuBepoH
Race: terran
max iCCup Rank: D+
Country:RUSSIA
Name: Fols[raGe]
Race: protoss
max iCCup Rank: C+
Country:RUSSIA
later add more 
|
Name: aB.WaRZoNe
Race: Terran
Max iCCup Rank: C+ this season
Country: USA
Please put me on the list. I am registering as an individual. Thank you
|
On October 17 2015 05:24 art_of_turtle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2015 05:05 Cele wrote:On October 17 2015 01:58 art_of_turtle wrote:Time to sign up a partial team Team DEsPA Name:Art_Of_Turtle (Captain) Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: C Country: USA Name:JXN Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: D+ Country: Malaysia Name:Artanis Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: C Country:Dutch? Name:ChrisSolo Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank:D+ Country: Germany Name: Rocko Race(define if Race Picker): v v v Max iCCup Rank:D+ Country: Germany Name:Ninazerg (Unofficial Team Troll) Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: Pikachu Rank Country: USA Sorry but this realy beats the idea of having a d/c- teamleague. Both artanis and art of turtle are actuall y solid c ranks in the old system. I dont see why a team of d, d+ players should want to play in this. sorry forgot to mention im just captain Although I would like to make a case for Artanis since he hasnt played in a bit
and artanis also kinda sucks, apparently he got trashed by our captain
I dont see why a team of d, d+ players should want to play in this.
my current record in iccup is somethig like 0-5 so it's ok, Rocko hasn't played in a long time either.
|
It is nice to see another low-level bw tournament after almost an year without one. Thanks for taking on the burden of organizing one!
Suggestion
I'd like to pitch again an idea* that was introduced by L_master for the most recent low-level teamleague, which in my opinion significantly improved the experience for all players involved:
Reserving slots in every team match for players of a specific rank. The goal is to avoid pitting players of vastly different skill levels against each other.
For the purpose of giving examples I will be using the old Iccup ranking system, since I am not aware how the current situation is.
The initial idea was for a bo5 team match to have:
2 slots for C-
3 slots for D+ and below
For the actual league the system was changed to:
4 slots for C-/C
2 slots for D+
1 slot for D/D-
The number of slots for each rank was changed due to actual number of people from different ranks that had signed up. For the upcoming league the numbers can (should) be changed again. The number of tiers can be increased if needed to provide even more equal matches.
Reasoning
As Cele already said even somebody who hovers around D has no chance whatsoever against somebody who is solid D+ in the old iccup system. In former teamleagues it got to the point where legit D- people were pitted against C- people. DRTL 5 started off with a lot of participants and enjoyed a great organization throughout. However, in its bo7 matches with players ranging from real D- up to people scraping at C there were a ton of absolutely one-sided matches. This led to weaker players getting increasingly frustrated by being crushed over and over again (and some of them dropping out of the league). At the same time several of the stronger players retired after round 1 because they did not want to participate in the humiliation of beginners. Both of those events did not make the league more even, though. The skill discrepancy was still huge and lopsided matches were still the rule rather than the exception. If anything the only result was that some teams were significantly weakened for the playoffs, which was punishing to their mid-range players, some of whom had invested a lot of time and effort into the league, but ended up having no chance to win the league.
If you take a look at the player rankings after round 1 you will see that a lot of players had absurdly good records mostly due to "enjoying" absurdly uneven matchings:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/D_Ranks_Teamleague/Season_5#Player_Rankings
If you take a look at the tiered D/C- minileague and compare the pairings with the ones from DRTL 5, you will see that D- seeded players had to play against C- players on a regular basis in DRTL 5:
(The players in the D/C- minileague between week 1 and 4 are listed in the order 4x C/C- => 2x D+ => 1x D/D-)
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/D_Ranks_Teamleague/D_-_C-_MiniLeague#Week_1
Comparing both leagues, an even more important thing to see is that players who absolutely dominated round 1 (and in some cases r2) in DRTL 5 were receiving losses in the tiered D/C- minileague.
Conclusion
Despite the very small game size in the D/C- minileague, there is some evidence that organizing a teamleague with tiered matchups creates a more equal playing field. I'd say even common sense suggests that pairing players based on their perceived skill would make the games more even than completely random pairings ever would.
The fact of the matter is that previous teamleagues have had the problem of extremely unfair matches. A system that strives to avoid lopsided games should certainly be implemented. Aside from the idea described above (afaik) the only other idea is to have strict max rank restrictions imposed. Here is my opinion why reserving spots based on ranks is vastly superior to just imposing strict max rank restrictions + Show Spoiler +all examples use the old Iccup ranking system
1. The difference between a real D and a solid D+ player is already huge. The difference between a D- and a D+ is colossal. Reserved spots allows to avoid such matches.
2. Experience has shown that in every league/tournament there are always at least a few people who are either unknown to the community and happen to perform much better than expected or simply improve a ton during the league. A league based only on max rank restrictions would need to kick such players mid-season or risk having then stomp on beginners regularly. A reserved spots league can force them to play against people who are not a freewin.
3. I cannot predict how many people will sign up for this league but the experience from the last few low-level events on TL suggests that it will not be many:
+ Show Spoiler +DRIT 7 - D-ranks exclusive, only 16 players DRIT 8 - D-ranks exclusive, only 16 players, 5 players were no-shows DRTL 6 - D-ranks exclusive, bo5 matches, only 4 teams, at least 11/90 (12.2%) walkovers D/C- minileague - D up to former C, bo7 matches, only 4 teams
=> The community is already quite small. Accommodating as many players as possible is preferable in my opinion.
*Credit goes to Minsc_andboo who suggested this idea first
|
On October 18 2015 01:35 ggrrg wrote:It is nice to see another low-level bw tournament after almost an year without one. Thanks for taking on the burden of organizing one! Suggestion I'd like to pitch again an idea* that was introduced by L_master for the most recent low-level teamleague, which in my opinion significantly improved the experience for all players involved: Reserving slots in every team match for players of a specific rank. The goal is to avoid pitting players of vastly different skill levels against each other. For the purpose of giving examples I will be using the old Iccup ranking system, since I am not aware how the current situation is. The initial idea was for a bo5 team match to have: 2 slots for C- 3 slots for D+ and below For the actual league the system was changed to: 4 slots for C-/C 2 slots for D+ 1 slot for D/D- The number of slots for each rank was changed due to actual number of people from different ranks that had signed up. For the upcoming league the numbers can (should) be changed again. The number of tiers can be increased if needed to provide even more equal matches. Reasoning As Cele already said even somebody who hovers around D has no chance whatsoever against somebody who is solid D+ in the old iccup system. In former teamleagues it got to the point where legit D- people were pitted against C- people. DRTL 5 started off with a lot of participants and enjoyed a great organization throughout. However, in its bo7 matches with players ranging from real D- up to people scraping at C there were a ton of absolutely one-sided matches. This led to weaker players getting increasingly frustrated by being crushed over and over again (and some of them dropping out of the league). At the same time several of the stronger players retired after round 1 because they did not want to participate in the humiliation of beginners. Both of those events did not make the league more even, though. The skill discrepancy was still huge and lopsided matches were still the rule rather than the exception. If anything the only result was that some teams were significantly weakened for the playoffs, which was punishing to their mid-range players, some of whom had invested a lot of time and effort into the league, but ended up having no chance to win the league. If you take a look at the player rankings after round 1 you will see that a lot of players had absurdly good records mostly due to "enjoying" absurdly uneven matchings: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/D_Ranks_Teamleague/Season_5#Player_RankingsIf you take a look at the tiered D/C- minileague and compare the pairings with the ones from DRTL 5, you will see that D- seeded players had to play against C- players on a regular basis in DRTL 5: (The players in the D/C- minileague between week 1 and 4 are listed in the order 4x C/C- => 2x D+ => 1x D/D-) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/D_Ranks_Teamleague/D_-_C-_MiniLeague#Week_1Comparing both leagues, an even more important thing to see is that players who absolutely dominated round 1 (and in some cases r2) in DRTL 5 were receiving losses in the tiered D/C- minileague. Conclusion Despite the very small game size in the D/C- minileague, there is some evidence that organizing a teamleague with tiered matchups creates a more equal playing field. I'd say even common sense suggests that pairing players based on their perceived skill would make the games more even than completely random pairings ever would. The fact of the matter is that previous teamleagues have had the problem of extremely unfair matches. A system that strives to avoid lopsided games should certainly be implemented. Aside from the idea described above (afaik) the only other idea is to have strict max rank restrictions imposed. Here is my opinion why reserving spots based on ranks is vastly superior to just imposing strict max rank restrictions + Show Spoiler +all examples use the old Iccup ranking system : 1. The difference between a real D and a solid D+ player is already huge. The difference between a D- and a D+ is colossal. Reserved spots allows to avoid such matches. 2. Experience has shown that in every league/tournament there are always at least a few people who are either unknown to the community and happen to perform much better than expected or simply improve a ton during the league. A league based only on max rank restrictions would need to kick such players mid-season or risk having then stomp on beginners regularly. A reserved spots league can force them to play against people who are not a freewin. 3. I cannot predict how many people will sign up for this league but the experience from the last few low-level events on TL suggest that it will not be many: + Show Spoiler +DRIT 7 - D-ranks exclusive, only 16 players DRIT 8 - D-ranks exclusive, only 16 players, 5 players were no-shows DRTL 6 - D-ranks exclusive, bo5 matches, only 4 teams, at least 11/90 (12.2%) walkovers D/C- minileague - D up to former C, bo7 matches, only 4 teams => The community is already quite small. Accommodating as many players as possible is preferable in my opinion. *Credit goes to Minsc_andboo who suggested this idea first
That's quite a decent idea. With players who obtained C+ in the old system signing up, it would be a stretch to have the right tiers for everybody - the tiers would be rather inadequate. But still, your suggestion would make sure the experience for low level players would improve drastically as well as for better players, who don't have to face a lot of "freewins".
Looking at the tournament as is, i think solid D's and D+'s will shy away from the event rather than giving it a try. It might be motivating to offer them some kind of insurance to have at least decent games. As is, im not going to play in this event, im neither interested in smashing D ranks nor getting smashed by C+ ranks.
|
On October 17 2015 17:58 chrisolo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2015 01:58 art_of_turtle wrote:Name:ChrisSolo Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank:D+ Country: Germany I dont know why AoT didnt fix this, but my Name is chrisolo (ICC: BaD]Seed) and I will be playing Random (if its allowed, but it wasnt stated that it wasnt. In case it isn't allowed, I will be playing Protoss) Edit: Show nested quote +On October 17 2015 06:01 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Name:dazed.
Race zerg
Max iCCup Rank: c- by the old standards
Country:canada Dazed you should join DeSPA again, Mate!
Fixed it
|
On October 18 2015 01:54 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 01:35 ggrrg wrote:It is nice to see another low-level bw tournament after almost an year without one. Thanks for taking on the burden of organizing one! Suggestion I'd like to pitch again an idea* that was introduced by L_master for the most recent low-level teamleague, which in my opinion significantly improved the experience for all players involved: Reserving slots in every team match for players of a specific rank. The goal is to avoid pitting players of vastly different skill levels against each other. For the purpose of giving examples I will be using the old Iccup ranking system, since I am not aware how the current situation is. The initial idea was for a bo5 team match to have: 2 slots for C- 3 slots for D+ and below For the actual league the system was changed to: 4 slots for C-/C 2 slots for D+ 1 slot for D/D- The number of slots for each rank was changed due to actual number of people from different ranks that had signed up. For the upcoming league the numbers can (should) be changed again. The number of tiers can be increased if needed to provide even more equal matches. Reasoning As Cele already said even somebody who hovers around D has no chance whatsoever against somebody who is solid D+ in the old iccup system. In former teamleagues it got to the point where legit D- people were pitted against C- people. DRTL 5 started off with a lot of participants and enjoyed a great organization throughout. However, in its bo7 matches with players ranging from real D- up to people scraping at C there were a ton of absolutely one-sided matches. This led to weaker players getting increasingly frustrated by being crushed over and over again (and some of them dropping out of the league). At the same time several of the stronger players retired after round 1 because they did not want to participate in the humiliation of beginners. Both of those events did not make the league more even, though. The skill discrepancy was still huge and lopsided matches were still the rule rather than the exception. If anything the only result was that some teams were significantly weakened for the playoffs, which was punishing to their mid-range players, some of whom had invested a lot of time and effort into the league, but ended up having no chance to win the league. If you take a look at the player rankings after round 1 you will see that a lot of players had absurdly good records mostly due to "enjoying" absurdly uneven matchings: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/D_Ranks_Teamleague/Season_5#Player_RankingsIf you take a look at the tiered D/C- minileague and compare the pairings with the ones from DRTL 5, you will see that D- seeded players had to play against C- players on a regular basis in DRTL 5: (The players in the D/C- minileague between week 1 and 4 are listed in the order 4x C/C- => 2x D+ => 1x D/D-) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/D_Ranks_Teamleague/D_-_C-_MiniLeague#Week_1Comparing both leagues, an even more important thing to see is that players who absolutely dominated round 1 (and in some cases r2) in DRTL 5 were receiving losses in the tiered D/C- minileague. Conclusion Despite the very small game size in the D/C- minileague, there is some evidence that organizing a teamleague with tiered matchups creates a more equal playing field. I'd say even common sense suggests that pairing players based on their perceived skill would make the games more even than completely random pairings ever would. The fact of the matter is that previous teamleagues have had the problem of extremely unfair matches. A system that strives to avoid lopsided games should certainly be implemented. Aside from the idea described above (afaik) the only other idea is to have strict max rank restrictions imposed. Here is my opinion why reserving spots based on ranks is vastly superior to just imposing strict max rank restrictions + Show Spoiler +all examples use the old Iccup ranking system : 1. The difference between a real D and a solid D+ player is already huge. The difference between a D- and a D+ is colossal. Reserved spots allows to avoid such matches. 2. Experience has shown that in every league/tournament there are always at least a few people who are either unknown to the community and happen to perform much better than expected or simply improve a ton during the league. A league based only on max rank restrictions would need to kick such players mid-season or risk having then stomp on beginners regularly. A reserved spots league can force them to play against people who are not a freewin. 3. I cannot predict how many people will sign up for this league but the experience from the last few low-level events on TL suggest that it will not be many: + Show Spoiler +DRIT 7 - D-ranks exclusive, only 16 players DRIT 8 - D-ranks exclusive, only 16 players, 5 players were no-shows DRTL 6 - D-ranks exclusive, bo5 matches, only 4 teams, at least 11/90 (12.2%) walkovers D/C- minileague - D up to former C, bo7 matches, only 4 teams => The community is already quite small. Accommodating as many players as possible is preferable in my opinion. *Credit goes to Minsc_andboo who suggested this idea first That's quite a decent idea. With players who obtained C+ in the old system signing up, it would be a stretch to have the right tiers for everybody - the tiers would be rather inadequate. But still, your suggestion would make sure the experience for low level players would improve drastically as well as for better players, who don't have to face a lot of "freewins". Looking at the tournament as is, i think solid D's and D+'s will shy away from the event rather than giving it a try. It might be motivating to offer them some kind of insurance to have at least decent games. As is, im not going to play in this event, im neither interested in smashing D ranks or getting smashed by C+ ranks.
A teamleague with tiered player matchings cannot be perfectly fair. Alone the fact that it is impossible to know the current skill level of everybody makes it unrealistic to hope that there will not be any significantly uneven matches. However, it is a huge improvement over a completely random pairings system. Personally, I am certain that a reserved spots system swings the scheduled matches from being mostly unfair (like in DRTL5) to being mostly even (like in the D/C- minileague). Furthermore, it almost completely removes the possibility of one player having literally 0% chance to beat his opponent.
Obviously, what I am claiming is biased towards my own perception, but up until the D/C- minileague I was fairly active and believe to have been able to judge the participating players' skill levels quite accurately. Thus, I think it is correct to say that the tiered system benefits the lowest level players the most (old iccup rank: D+ and lower). This is simply due to the fact that it was the easiest to gauge somebody's skill at those levels.
In my opinion, unfair matches in the D/C- minileague stemmed from two issues:
1. The highest tier was fairly broad despite it ranging only from C- to former C. There were basically 3 kinds of players:
- C- with tons of games and motw bonuses
- C- with very little amount of games often meaning that the player could have maybe achieved a higher rank
- former C who were almost certainly better than the C- with tons of games
This effectively meant that there were 2 skill levels in one tier. However, it was impossible to objectively and accurately draw a line between those players. Still most matches in the D/C- minileague were equal enough to have a decent possibility that either player would win. I would actually say that the outcome of the highest tier matches was more often dependent on the race matchups rather than on the general skill of the players (basically, which player will luck out to draw his personally best mu). Also, I am certain that there was not a single player who was universally favored against all other players.
2. Unknown players entering the league and over-performing:
E.g. there was a then unknown player on my team who after playing a few team internal practice matches a week before the league started was obviously D+ as his rank suggested. However, he put in a lot of practice and improved swiftly making both his D+ league matches quite one-sided. A few months later he had improved so much that he managed to reach the finals of DRIT 9.
This issue however, can be easily relieved mid-season by bumping such a player into a higher tier.
|
i agree with you quite a bit here. I brang the issue of problematic tiers up as a point to be aware of, but i agree it would be an improvement still. I also concur that the range of player in the "c- to C+" tier (which this tournament would have) would probably be the biggest. It includes players who barely make it to C- via massgaming and motw as well as players who could perhaps reach the blue ranks if they put up enough dedication.
Thus i would suggest having 4 tiers even, the ones you mentioned plus a category above:
1 slot for high C / C+
3 slots for C-/ low C
2 slots for D+
1 slot for D/D-
figuring out if a player belongs to the C/C+ or C-/C tier is a bit of a pain i will admit that. But i think it would be doable if you focus on the players who made C in the old system, it's only a handfull imo and watch a couple of their games with qualified personal who can estimate their skill level. You may think that's to much to ask for, but the AFH newbie Server run by instarcraft.de back in the day did it that way for edge cases and it worked quite well.
I also like your idea of bumping up a player into the next tier mid season if he overperforms on his tier.
|
Russian Federation51 Posts
Name: Eptenax
Race: random
max iCCup Rank: C
Country:RUSSIA
add in team Sexy gladiators
|
Canada11350 Posts
I'm good with whatever Shimy decides- I'm just happy to play in a tourney again.
However, I will concur with grgg, that the slots were quite successful in the minileague. Sure if you look specifically at my record in the DRTL 5 (0-11) and the minileague (0-4 and one draw), you can't see the difference. (The minileague was partially a function that I had just barely hit D+, so I was the weakest possible D+ you could be.) But the games felt much better in the minileague- I lost all my games, but I felt like I was within one or two standard deviations of the players I was playing. The skill level was just more consistent and I think that it actually produced better games.
Slot designations would need to be adjusted according to what the player base composition, but I think it worked well in the past, and could work again.
|
I want to second (or third, or whatever9 ggrrg's suggestion. I am very much convinced that it would really improve the experience for every one.
I'd also suggest that teams be composed equally in strength, or at least "free agents" be assigned with the intention to make equal teams, so as close to equal and hence rewarding and interesting match-ups are further facilitated.
|
Name: evilEye
Race(define if Race Picker): Protoss
Max iCCup Rank: D+ / C-
Country: USA
|
On October 18 2015 03:00 Cele wrote:
i agree with you quite a bit here. I brang the issue of problematic tiers up as a point to be aware of, but i agree it would be an improvement still. I also concur that the range of player in the "c- to C+" tier (which this tournament would have) would probably be the biggest. It includes players who barely make it to C- via massgaming and motw as well as players who could perhaps reach the blue ranks if they put up enough dedication.
Thus i would suggest having 4 tiers even, the ones you mentioned plus a category above:
1 slot for high C / C+
3 slots for C-/ low C
2 slots for D+
1 slot for D/D-
figuring out if a player belongs to the C/C+ or C-/C tier is a bit of a pain i will admit that. But i think it would be doable if you focus on the players who made C in the old system, it's only a handfull imo and watch a couple of their games with qualified personal who can estimate their skill level. You may think that's to much to ask for, but the AFH newbie Server run by instarcraft.de back in the day did it that way for edge cases and it worked quite well.
I also like your idea of bumping up a player into the next tier mid season if he overperforms on his tier.
I'm sure if we put the responsibility of gauging player skills on the captains and placing them in the proper tiers we can have a healthy idea. it also allows players to make attempts to jump up tiers if they want the challenge.
Also how does Free Agency work? are we just contacting players in the thread, or are we gonna have some kind of draft?
|
Name:JaeDonG.-
Race(define if Race Picker)rotoss
Max iCCup Rank: C
Country:Mexico
|
Name: zs-Adun
Race: Protoss
Max iCCup Rank: D
Country: USA
|
|
|
Official Announcement
I want to thank everyone for signing up so far! I just wanted to apologize for not getting a message out to everyone sooner on the current situation in the league (been really busy today).
1) Questions about rank cutoff and format.
When I was planning on creating the league, I did not think that I would see so much interest from the C ranks community. I was under the impression that the vast majority of sign ups would be coming from the D ranks or newly C- ranks due to the new iCCup system.
This is obviously not the case as the majority of sign ups at the moment are from the C ranks skill cap. grgg has brought up some very great points and we are definitely considering his recommendation, but this kind of decision is really hard to make at this point. Because we're still in the very early stages of sign ups, I really want to encourage both D ranks and C ranks alike to continue to sign up teams and free agents. The more people we have involved, the easier the decision will be on how to move forward.
2) Question on how the free agents are handled.
Free agents are exactly that. Anyone is able to message a free agent and create teams/add players to teams, HOWEVER, at the current stage we're in, I want to promote more teams being involved. This means, right now, that the current teams formed should not add players from the free agency. I suggest that the current free agents message each other and try to form small teams (4 or 5 players). I'll step in where I feel I need to if I see player hogging or skill hogging.
At the end of sign ups, free agents will be formed into new teams or distributed among already formed teams depending on the situation.
3) Maps
A map pack is coming soon, there's just a few mining issues that need to be fixed on Demian. Freakling has been a major help thus far in the league and he is hard at work to resolve any map issues.
Also, upon feedback, I have replaced La Mancha with Latin Quarter. CardinalAllin has also been a huge force in the foreign community and he feels that the map plays similarly enough to be used in this league. I like the idea of promoting foreign maps and just new maps in general.
.... and because of popular demand, I have also replaced Othello with Fighting Spirit. As much as I loath Fighting Spirit, I feel that this decision not only satisfies current players, but creates a more familiar environment among the maps. It will hopefully draw less experienced players into the league.
Thanks everyone and we're hard at work with a more concrete plan!
Hwaiting!
|
Team Stealth Bunnies will be making a return, pending enough players! If you were a Stealth Bunnies player before-hand or are interested in joining, send me a PM or hit me up on Skype and we'll get it sorted.
|
On October 17 2015 01:58 art_of_turtle wrote:Time to sign up a partial team Team DEsPA Name:Art_Of_Turtle (Captain) Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: C (not actually playing for the team) Country: USA Name:JXN Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: D+ Country: Malaysia Name:Artanis Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: C Country:Neverland Name: BaD]Seed Race(define if Race Picker): (if Allowed) (If random not allowed) Max iCCup Rank:D+ Country: Germany Name: Rocko Race(define if Race Picker): v v v Max iCCup Rank:D+ Country: Germany Name:Ninazerg (Unofficial Team Troll) Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank: Pikachu Rank Country: USA
actually im zvp pvz zvt
|
Team Stealth Bunnies initial roster
If we get too many I'll enter two different teams, got a bunch of kiwis who wanna play woo
|
Russian Federation51 Posts
|
|
|
Japan11286 Posts
sB.totallynotdRaw (A- max)
Wtf :O
|
On October 18 2015 15:31 Birdie wrote:[...]  sB.totallynotdRaw (A- max) [...]
Let him play! With his tongue, arms tied behind the back!
Expect a finalized map pack within the next two days.
EDIT: There's also an extensive  liquipedia article on Shadowplay up now.
If you want to play the map, you can also download it here (includes an observer version).
|
Russian Federation51 Posts
good coach
|
I'm a bit hesitant to sign up. I do not play much these days and certainly not in any competitive sense in a good while. But I'll add my name to the roster of free agents (even if transiently).
Name: feckless
Race(define if Race Picker): Zerg
Max iCCup Rank: D+
Message me here if you want to play/practice. I won't be available much this week, but my schedule should free up abundantly by next week.
|
I'm sure they guys are joking about the A- lol
|
|
|
|
|
On October 17 2015 17:58 chrisolo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2015 01:58 art_of_turtle wrote:Name:ChrisSolo Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank:D+ Country: Germany I dont know why AoT didnt fix this, but my Name is chrisolo (ICC: BaD]Seed) and I will be playing Random (if its allowed, but it wasnt stated that it wasnt. In case it isn't allowed, I will be playing Protoss) Edit: Show nested quote +On October 17 2015 06:01 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Name:dazed.
Race zerg
Max iCCup Rank: c- by the old standards
Country:canada Dazed you should join DeSPA again, Mate! Sure, if you guys need and want me, would be fun.
|
On October 18 2015 22:56 Yaqoob wrote:
I'm sure they guys are joking about the A- lol
I'm still waiting for some justification for his inclusion based on his contribution to the community of Ds and Cs
|
Canada11350 Posts
I'm thinking there are a series of jokes in there, because unless there is a different TheMarine, the one I know is assuredly not D-.
|
A- ranks wanna win D/C league xddddd
|
can i sign up as a free agent and play terran? i hit B on the new system with toss but i think my terran is around C on the new system. thx let me know
id: castle[eMg]
race: terran
max rank: c
|
On October 19 2015 00:47 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 22:56 Yaqoob wrote:
I'm sure they guys are joking about the A- lol I'm still waiting for some justification for his inclusion based on his contribution to the community of Ds and Cs
If it's actually dRaw (I've been gone a while), there's nothing wrong with him being a coach on the team. A- rank will definitely not play in the league, there's no worry about that lol
|
Name: CoughingHydra
Race(define if Race Picker): Zerg (ZvP ZvT PvZ)
Max iCCup Rank: C- (old ranking)
|
On October 19 2015 00:28 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2015 17:58 chrisolo wrote:On October 17 2015 01:58 art_of_turtle wrote:Name:ChrisSolo Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank:D+ Country: Germany I dont know why AoT didnt fix this, but my Name is chrisolo (ICC: BaD]Seed) and I will be playing Random (if its allowed, but it wasnt stated that it wasnt. In case it isn't allowed, I will be playing Protoss) Edit: On October 17 2015 06:01 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Name:dazed.
Race zerg
Max iCCup Rank: c- by the old standards
Country:canada Dazed you should join DeSPA again, Mate! Sure, if you guys need and want me, would be fun.
Official 'add Dazed to despa'?
|
On October 19 2015 01:48 castleeMg wrote:can i sign up as a free agent and play terran? i hit B on the new system with toss but i think my terran is around C on the new system. thx let me know id: castle[eMg] race: terran max rank: c
I have to draw the line somewhere. Unfortunately, for the balance of the league, your registration is not accepted.
Thank you for showing interest!
|
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On October 16 2015 09:00 Shimy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2015 08:54 Qikz wrote:
I haven't played in ages, I got to C- before the rank change thing and I spent a lot of time after that running tournaments. It'd be nice to play again.
DeSPA gogo. Going to sign up?
That was my intention with that post :p
|
On October 19 2015 02:26 Shimy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 00:28 Dazed_Spy wrote:On October 17 2015 17:58 chrisolo wrote:On October 17 2015 01:58 art_of_turtle wrote:Name:ChrisSolo Race(define if Race Picker): Max iCCup Rank:D+ Country: Germany I dont know why AoT didnt fix this, but my Name is chrisolo (ICC: BaD]Seed) and I will be playing Random (if its allowed, but it wasnt stated that it wasnt. In case it isn't allowed, I will be playing Protoss) Edit: On October 17 2015 06:01 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Name:dazed.
Race zerg
Max iCCup Rank: c- by the old standards
Country:canada Dazed you should join DeSPA again, Mate! Sure, if you guys need and want me, would be fun. Official 'add Dazed to despa'?
If we can snag him up for old time sake I would most definitely have him on the team. Also add Qikz to our roster too.
On October 19 2015 02:33 Shimy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 01:48 castleeMg wrote:can i sign up as a free agent and play terran? i hit B on the new system with toss but i think my terran is around C on the new system. thx let me know id: castle[eMg] race: terran max rank: c I have to draw the line somewhere. Unfortunately, for the balance of the league, your registration is not accepted. Thank you for showing interest!
We are having a lot of C based interest following the league and if the numbers continue to grow I would actually ask that you hold off on final decision. I feel it would at least warrant a bit more discussion seeing as we are planning out a tiered based league.
|
dRaw is a joke guys relax
|
2v2 B rank, and 1v1 D+ can i take part?
|
Name: hafnium
Race(define if Race Picker): Protoss
Max iCCup Rank: C- (old ranking)
*only available from Dec*
|
|
|
Russian Federation51 Posts
go in sexy gladiators helly !
|
On October 19 2015 05:12 Birdie wrote:
dRaw is a joke guys relax
Sb.SbSucksBallsWithoutMe not gonna play?
|
I'm looking for a team
Name: [SAM]Gohan
Race: Terran
Max iCCup Rank: C-
Country: Poland
|
On October 19 2015 05:13 LV-Hellscream wrote:
2v2 B rank, and 1v1 D+ can i take part?
Yeah, sure
|
sB.smallBALLS changing race to
|
Name: Miso
Race(define if Race Picker): Protoss
Max iCCup Rank: C-
Country: USA
|
LTY was a Previous Despian if we can also add him to our roster
|
Please add my boy  sB.Roy (D) to Team Stealth Bunnies
Not sure if he will have time to play but we'll put him in for now anyway. Plays both Z and T.
And sB.smallBALLS would like to change his race to for some racial diversity.
|
On October 19 2015 05:12 Birdie wrote:
dRaw is a joke guys relax
but I refuse to relax!!!
:D
|
Russian Federation51 Posts
Name: Dutch
Race: Protoss
Max iCCup Rank: D
Country: Russia
add plz in team Sexy Gladiators
|
can admin answer please, would be allowed player who was b- in past but last 20 seasons couldn't reach more than C?
|
Name: SiegesAddicted
Race: Terran
Max iCCup Rank: C
Country: Peru
Regards
|
name: Fazers
Race: any
Max ICCUP Rank: C+ on Fazers[Pain] on the old ranks
Country; USA
thanks.
If I am not allowed np, but I haven't touched the game in like 2-3 years and I only play SSBM and Path of Exile now :D
|
Sorry I am going to have to decline this tournament. I am aB.WaRZoNe, and it has come to my attention this is a 2v2 tourney, which i dont play lol. I was thinking this was a 1v1 tourney sorry.
|
On October 20 2015 07:25 DannyBOyz wrote:
Sorry I am going to have to decline this tournament. I am aB.WaRZoNe, and it has come to my attention this is a 2v2 tourney, which i dont play lol. I was thinking this was a 1v1 tourney sorry.
I would love to see a 2v2 on Matchpoint I'm pretty sure it's a 1v1 tournament and you're fine.
|
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On October 20 2015 07:25 DannyBOyz wrote:
Sorry I am going to have to decline this tournament. I am aB.WaRZoNe, and it has come to my attention this is a 2v2 tourney, which i dont play lol. I was thinking this was a 1v1 tourney sorry.
WaRZoNe, long time no see, but what the hell are you talking about?
|
Team Stealth Bunnies would like to add sB.i91 (D-) to our roster.EDIT He's 
|
On October 20 2015 07:25 DannyBOyz wrote:
Sorry I am going to have to decline this tournament. I am aB.WaRZoNe, and it has come to my attention this is a 2v2 tourney, which i dont play lol. I was thinking this was a 1v1 tourney sorry.
This is a 1v1 tourney haha
|
oh alright, coo
as long as its 1v1 ill play
|
I'd like to make a slight edit to my sign up as a zerg, and say that I want to race pick tvz when against a zerg player. Hate that muta ling shit.
|
On October 20 2015 08:09 DannyBOyz wrote:
oh alright, coo
as long as its 1v1 ill play
Shit... It's 1v1? I only 2v2... Sorry, I have to resign.
Edit: With that being said, can we make 1 set 2v2 just for fun? :D
|
On October 21 2015 02:00 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 08:09 DannyBOyz wrote:
oh alright, coo
as long as its 1v1 ill play Shit... It's 1v1? I only 2v2... Sorry, I have to resign. Edit: With that being said, can we make 1 set 2v2 just for fun? :D
If you want a 2v2 match you are more than free during the week you play us Ill grab 2 players to play your 2v2 team.
|
Russian Federation51 Posts
Name: ElementalEvil
Race: Protoss
Max iCCup Rank: C+(long time ago)
Country: russia+ukraine
add plz in sexy gladiators
|
Ive just noticed you switched La Mancha for Latin Quarter, nice one!
|
On October 21 2015 22:23 CardinalAllin wrote:
Ive just noticed you switched La Mancha for Latin Quarter, nice one!
Can you change Latin Quarter to Monty Hall? It is more suitable for my playstyle.
|
Name: Biolunar
Race: Terran
Max iCCup Rank: D
Country: Germany
add him to Despa roster please
|
hey add me! i want to play for any team
|
On October 21 2015 22:23 CardinalAllin wrote:
Ive just noticed you switched La Mancha for Latin Quarter, nice one!
You bet! I like the map and I think it better suits the league. I'm exciting to see some more play on it.
On October 21 2015 18:34 iCCup.JiN wrote:
Name: ElementalEvil
Race: Protoss
Max iCCup Rank: C+(long time ago)
Country: russia+ukraine
add plz in sexy gladiators
On October 22 2015 01:45 art_of_turtle wrote:
Name: Biolunar
Race: Terran
Max iCCup Rank: D
Country: Germany
add him to Despa roster please
done and done.
On October 22 2015 00:33 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 22:23 CardinalAllin wrote:
Ive just noticed you switched La Mancha for Latin Quarter, nice one! Can you change Latin Quarter to Monty Hall? It is more suitable for my playstyle.
haha
On October 21 2015 02:00 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 08:09 DannyBOyz wrote:
oh alright, coo
as long as its 1v1 ill play Shit... It's 1v1? I only 2v2... Sorry, I have to resign. Edit: With that being said, can we make 1 set 2v2 just for fun? :D
As hard as it is to get 2 people to play vs each other, imagine how hard it would be to get 4 players to play
|
On October 22 2015 04:54 LoCcxitO.o wrote:
hey add me! i want to play for any team
You were added a long time ago! haha Maybe you could contact the free agents and try to put together a team? If not, of course, we'll place free agents accordingly.
|
|
|
On October 22 2015 05:37 Fazers wrote:
Add me please?
Aren't you like.. B-?
|
On October 22 2015 05:37 Fazers wrote:
Add me please?
There's a correct way to sign up in the original post.
|
Hey, I just hit B- I dont know if im still allowed to play, its been my 1st time as B- but just thought Id let you guys know
|
On October 22 2015 06:32 DannyBOyz wrote:
Hey, I just hit B- I dont know if im still allowed to play, its been my 1st time as B- but just thought Id let you guys know
Your mech is easily beatable by a C- so in my opinion you're fine :D (as long as you mech).
|
Man there are some really high ranked players able to sign up for this, seems a bit unfair.
|
On October 22 2015 06:15 Shimy wrote:There's a correct way to sign up in the original post.
Check two pages ago.
On October 22 2015 05:43 Eywa- wrote:Aren't you like.. B-?
If you wanna say so. Solid C+ back in the day though.
No really, I lose to no names on GameRanger now. I'm not serious about this game no mo.
So yeah, if Shimy doesn't want me in whatever, I figured I may try cause I still enjoy this game but don't really play on ICCUP or Fish cause I play too much Smash Bros Melee :D
|
On October 22 2015 09:20 Fazers wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:15 Shimy wrote:On October 22 2015 05:37 Fazers wrote:
Add me please? There's a correct way to sign up in the original post. Check two pages ago. Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 05:43 Eywa- wrote:On October 22 2015 05:37 Fazers wrote:
Add me please? Aren't you like.. B-? If you wanna say so. Solid C+ back in the day though. No really, I lose to no names on GameRanger now. I'm not serious about this game no mo. So yeah, if Shimy doesn't want me in whatever, I figured I may try cause I still enjoy this game but don't really play on ICCUP or Fish cause I play too much Smash Bros Melee :D
Oh wow, my apologies. I completely missed that somehow O-o
|
Bisutopia19237 Posts
|
On October 22 2015 07:26 B-royal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:32 DannyBOyz wrote:
Hey, I just hit B- I dont know if im still allowed to play, its been my 1st time as B- but just thought Id let you guys know Your mech is easily beatable by a C- so in my opinion you're fine :D (as long as you mech).
Mech and beatable...this is like...Lmaster and finishing a league. >.>
ps: No hate eric, just putting in a fitting comparison. ![[image loading]](http://i.minus.com/iblDS314DsQgED.gif) I happily welcome any new league being startet by you. 
|
Russian Federation51 Posts
Name: BaD]Fry
Race: Terran
Max iCCup Rank: D
Country: Germany
add plz my friend Fry in Team Sexy Gladiators(he free agent now).
|
Name: [SD]RoLLeR
Race: Zerg
Max iCCup Rank: C
Country: Poland
Free agent
|
On October 22 2015 08:04 Birdie wrote:
Man there are some really high ranked players able to sign up for this, seems a bit unfair.
Yeah, we're addressing this. There's obviously going to be a format change, but we're waiting to see more teams form before we move forward with said change.
|
|
|
On October 23 2015 07:43 Metal[x] wrote:
sign me up thx~
looool I'm putting in a bid now for you then
|
On October 23 2015 08:34 Birdie wrote:looool I'm putting in a bid now for you then
Lumix is on my team...
|
Name: Kororo
Race: Chogu/Zerg
Max iCCup Rank: C+ (old system), but very bag now.
Country: USA
Comment: Will only play temporarily; I will not not be able to participate after November 20nd through the month of December.
|
On October 22 2015 09:20 Fazers wrote:
No really, I lose to no names on GameRanger now. I'm not serious about this game no mo.
Some decent people log onto gameranger now. A few years ago, the server was a running joke, but now it seems like everyone who hosts "1v1 noob/medium" is fucking trolling the server.
|
Maybe your skill just adapted to GameRanger levels.
|
Estonia786 Posts
|
Russian Federation51 Posts
Name: msj[prokaznik]
Race: Protoss
Max iCCup Rank: c-
Country: Russia
add plz in sexy gladiators
|
On October 23 2015 12:24 Sero wrote:
Maybe your skill just adapted to GameRanger levels.
Nah, GR has lots more guys old C- than before. I still think everyone there is pretty average by ICC standards, rarely anyone C+ or better, but definitely instead of the old balance of like 8 games vs D- or worse, 1 vs D, and 1 vs D+ or higher its more like 50/50 split now
|
Name: DukE_ss
Race: Zerg
Max iCCup Rank: B- (old scoring)
Country: USA
Free agent
I know B- is high however I suck these days and barely reached C playing mostly d+ last season and I routinely am raped by C-/C players.
|
On October 23 2015 19:49 v1 wrote:My highest rank on iCCup was B- in season 12, but after that i was only able to get C+ as my highest Can i participate in this tourney?
Considering you and another guy have a similar story, we're discussing it. It's hard to run something like this if I just keep raising the cutoff. It's looking like the tier system will take place, but if only 1 or 2 teams have a player that has reached B-, it's hard to run.
I'm not saying no, but I'm not saying yes at the moment.
|
On October 24 2015 06:44 DukE_ss wrote:
Name: DukE_ss
Race: Zerg
Max iCCup Rank: B- (old scoring)
Country: USA
Free agent
I know B- is high however I suck these days and barely reached C playing mostly d+ last season and I routinely am raped by C-/C players.
Similar thing as what I was saying in the post above.
Right now I can't say yes or no.
|
I think I asked earlier but LTY is Miso on the free agency list, and is a DesPA old player. Mind if we take him back? already talked to him ahead of time.
|
On October 24 2015 10:52 art_of_turtle wrote:
I think I asked earlier but LTY is Miso on the free agency list, and is a DesPA old player. Mind if we take him back? already talked to him ahead of time.
Oh yeah, sorry
|
I'm starting to message people to encourage them to form teams. If you are a free agent, it would be in your best interest right now to try and PM other free agents and form teams. The more teams we have in the league, the better. I'm hoping to form at least 6, so really, you guys only have to form 2 more teams! I asked for country in the sign ups because I figured it would allow people of the same timezone (relatively) to form teams together to practice at convenient times.
gogo!
|
I would like to make a new team called Club Starcraft. I already have Tru]Irish, and n.stop)armada ill keep you posted as I gather more members. I will be playing the captain role of this team.
EDIT: I have a new member [SD]RoLLeR
I will continue to edit this post as I recruit players
EDIT 2: We have picked up eSpi.LoCcxitO for Club Starcraft!
Looking for d/c- players!
|
There is 18 free agents so maybe we form 3 teams?
|
On October 24 2015 16:59 DannyBOyz wrote:
I would like to make a new team called Club Starcraft. I already have Tru]Irish, and n.stop)armada ill keep you posted as I gather more members. I will be playing the captain role of this team.
EDIT: I have a new member [SD]RoLLeR
I will continue to edit this post as I recruit players
Awesome! EDIT: I'm not sure who armada is. Can you sign him up first? Also, since the organization is leaning towards tier system, it would be in your best interest to pick up a D rank player or two! Thanks.
Team Bureaucracy + Show Spoiler +probably will change the name!
|
On October 24 2015 18:15 ArtOfBlack wrote:
There is 18 free agents so maybe we form 3 teams?
That sounds great to me. I know my team might add 1 or two, but each team really only needs 5 players.
|
This is just simulation;; in free agents we have 3xD, 2xD+, 4xC- 4xC, 2xC+ = 15 players so I think it;s fair to put this 2 C+ guys to groups who had 2 D/D+ players. So we have 3 teams with 5 player with ranks ( D/D+/C-/C/C+ || D/D+/C-/C/C+ || D/C-/C-/C/C )
Team 1:
 EmptyCup D
 feckless D+
 [SAM]Gohan C-
 eSpi.LoCcxitO C
  Fazers[Pain] C+
Team 2:
WraithFan D
evilEye D+/C-
 CrispyDrone C-
Taehee[KaL] C
Kororo C+
Team 3:
zs-Adun D
 (v) CoughingHydra C-
hafnium C-
 JaeDonG.- C
f10eQQ C
i just pick ranks not id so i don't know maybe feckless (D+) can beat JaeDong (C) couse i don;t know the real skill of any of this players
|
well I am inflated as fuck C+, probably like D+ for good measure now. lol
|
Canada11350 Posts
On October 25 2015 01:27 Fazers wrote:
well I am inflated as fuck C+, probably like D+ for good measure now. lol
I dunno about D+. In my experience, people tend to underestimate just how much better one gets if they can hit and maintain the C ranks and higher (old ranks anyways). Sure, when you come back you won't be competitive against concurrent C+ players (or maybe you would due to the new system), but what tends to happen, is once the former C players start playing again in the tournaments, they start crushing it against people who have only ever reached D+. Maybe it's just the fundamentals, muscle memory, and knowledge base that's sitting there latent, but I think it comes back fast enough to dominate D league players.
|
where am i?
|
On October 25 2015 03:31 Metal[x] wrote:where am i?
You're too bag bro and you don't play FF8; don't waste anyone's time.
|
On October 25 2015 03:25 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2015 01:27 Fazers wrote:
well I am inflated as fuck C+, probably like D+ for good measure now. lol I dunno about D+. In my experience, people tend to underestimate just how much better one gets if they can hit and maintain the C ranks and higher (old ranks anyways). Sure, when you come back you won't be competitive against concurrent C+ players (or maybe you would due to the new system), but what tends to happen, is once the former C players start playing again in the tournaments, they start crushing it against people who have only ever reached D+. Maybe it's just the fundamentals, muscle memory, and knowledge base that's sitting there latent, but I think it comes back fast enough to dominate D league players.
Here's the thing, I'm probably not gonna use ICCUP unless I am playing for this. My focus with games is on Melee now.
|
On October 25 2015 03:31 Metal[x] wrote:where am i?
Unless I missed it, you said "sign me up" and didn't give me any info. I wrote the sign up procedure in the OP.
|
On October 25 2015 03:25 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2015 01:27 Fazers wrote:
well I am inflated as fuck C+, probably like D+ for good measure now. lol I dunno about D+. In my experience, people tend to underestimate just how much better one gets if they can hit and maintain the C ranks and higher (old ranks anyways). Sure, when you come back you won't be competitive against concurrent C+ players (or maybe you would due to the new system), but what tends to happen, is once the former C players start playing again in the tournaments, they start crushing it against people who have only ever reached D+. Maybe it's just the fundamentals, muscle memory, and knowledge base that's sitting there latent, but I think it comes back fast enough to dominate D league players.
I agree with Falling. You're considered C+ for the sake of the format. That's why I'm telling teams to recruit D rankers because only so many from each rank can play every week. We're looking at 3 tiers right now.
|
Name: sas.LuMiX
Race(define if Race Picker): Terran
Max iCCup Rank: B- year or so ago
Country: US
|
6 players per team isn't enough because stuff always happens and you will lose players as the season goes on. I'd say 8 is like a minimum for a viable team.
|
On October 25 2015 05:32 Metal[x] wrote:
Name: sas.LuMiX
Race(define if Race Picker): Terran
Max iCCup Rank: B- year or so ago
Country: US
You're hired. Shimy, can you add Lumix to my team?
|
On October 25 2015 05:32 Metal[x] wrote:
Name: sas.LuMiX
Race(define if Race Picker): Terran
Max iCCup Rank: B- year or so ago
Country: US
I had been gone a while, so I couldn't remember what your rank was. I thought you were in the B's though. Like I've told other people, since you're B- or above, you can't really play in the league and be challenged. There are other B ranks who have expressed interest in the league, and your name is on a list with theirs, but at the present time, I cannot allow you to register.
Thank you for showing interest in the league.
|
Canada11350 Posts
On October 25 2015 08:16 Birdie wrote:
6 players per team isn't enough because stuff always happens and you will lose players as the season goes on. I'd say 8 is like a minimum for a viable team.
Yeah a roster of 6 is REALLY cutting it close as people get busy or whatever. Season 6, sb had 8 or so, but by the end I was having Minsc play twice because people became unavailable.
|
Also, the more I play on ICCup and get owned the more I think my rank is more closer to C lol
|
Anybody wanting to join club starcraft request join on iccup team name Club Starcraft. I think it would be easier for me to keep track of what players i have using this system. We are currently looking for d-/d/d+ players dont hesitate to join the club! hahahaha
Link is here
http://iccup.com/en/starcraft/teams/111565.html
|
Edit: Disregard! On second thought I don't think I'd have the time
|
On October 20 2015 06:38 AmatistA wrote:
Name: SiegesAddicted
Race: Terran
Max iCCup Rank: C
Country: Peru
Regards
Shimy, unless I'm mistaken, I think you forgot to add this guy to the free agent list. I don't see him on anybody's team yet, either.
|
On October 25 2015 22:58 SWAT-Kat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 06:38 AmatistA wrote:
Name: SiegesAddicted
Race: Terran
Max iCCup Rank: C
Country: Peru
Regards Shimy, unless I'm mistaken, I think you forgot to add this guy to the free agent list. I don't see him on anybody's team yet, either.
Dude, thank you. How the hell do I keep missing these?
|
Does anybody know if Duke_ss is participating in this tournament?
|
Russian Federation51 Posts
Name: msj[clickmer]
Race: Zerg
Max iCCup Rank: C
Country: Kazahstan
Name: mmmbop[rage]
Race: Terran
Max iCCup Rank: C+
Country: Belarus
add plz in sexy gladiators
|
Japan11286 Posts
Does this league take in newbs like me? Maybe (emphasis on maybe) I'll have the time to play.
Name: crimson0011
Race: Protoss
Max iCCup Rank: D
Country: Philippines
I made a request to join Club SC. until they respond, I guess I'm a free agent?
|
Heh, since my boy is in, I might as well try my luck also.
Name: sGs.BaBo
Race: Protoss
Max ICCup Rank: C
Country: US of fucking A
Glad to see msj clan is still around lol -_-;
Add me to "Club StarCraft" please.
|
Babo aka Jealous is banned from all D-Rank and C-Rank events though. Just as a headsup for Shimy.
|
On October 27 2015 01:26 chrisolo wrote:
Babo aka Jealous is banned from all D-Rank and C-Rank events though. Just as a headsup for Shimy.
I guess this is the time to make a plea for my right to play, so here it goes.
First and foremost, I apologize for the things I did in the past. I had up until that DRTL/CRTL debacle been an honest player in Teamliquid events, tournaments, and leagues for something like 5 years. To come completely clean on what I did for those who aren't aware:
- In DRTL: Brought in players who were above the D+/C- max rank limit onto the team Sun Khan, where they played on smurfs and off-race to disguise their identities.
- In CRTL: Allowed one of those players to play on my account in a CRTL match.
- Tried to register for the next DRTL on a smurf.
- Been an overall combative alcoholic dickface to certain members of the community.
Those actions were dishonest and I won't present any defense for them. The reason why I did these things is because I simply didn't respect the community enough. I have since then heavily cut down on my drinking and drugging, although anyone who has been through recovery will tell you that substance abuse is a symptom not a cause of one's problems. For the first year after my last offense, I didn't care about what I had done. After I was sober for about 6 months, my conscience (which I didn't even really know existed) began to eat at me. I debated on what I should do to make amends.
At that point, I figured a public apology would be inappropriate because so much time had passed, I figured no one would care anymore. I thought back to a time when I was in trouble with the law and my punishment was fines and community service. So, I decided to give back to the community which I hurt, and began revising Brood War Liquipedia. I revised a lot of articles over the summer while I was less busy with work and school, and even achieved the position of editor. To replace fines, I donated money to a tournament.
Of course, these actions do not absolve me of my past wrongs but I hope that they can be enough to let a tournament organizer reconsider banning me from an event.
I do have to mention the official statement that I saw at the time, can't remember in what thread it was, but I'm pretty sure it was by LMaster. If I recall correctly, it banned me from D/C events for 2 seasons. For reference to those who do not know, it's been about 2 years since these offenses, if not more. The other players involved have since played in other tournaments and leagues on TeamLiquid, including TLS and EBPNW.
This community has in the past forgiven players who have wronged it, like Testie. I would like to ask for forgiveness for my actions, and a second chance in the same vein.
|
Guess I will make an update about my players, here goes
OUR OFFICIAL MEMBERS:
aB.WaRZoNe (Leader)
Duke_ss
Tru]Irish
WakingDrone
cs.ArmadA
If you are supposed to be apart of Club Starcraft and DO NOT see your name on this list please be quick and make a request to join the team on iccup! Link below. IF you cant join the team due to you being in a team already please let me know! ill do my best to make sure your on the roster. The iccup team is temporary and was only made so I could keep track of members easier. Sorry for the confusion!
http://iccup.com/en/starcraft/teams/111565.html
EDIT:
We just picked up crimson0011 so add him to the team as well
ANOTHER EDIT:
Fazers[PaiN] is also apart of Club Starcraft!
|
On October 27 2015 02:23 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 01:26 chrisolo wrote:
Babo aka Jealous is banned from all D-Rank and C-Rank events though. Just as a headsup for Shimy. This community has in the past forgiven players who have wronged it, like Testie. I would like to ask for forgiveness for my actions, and a second chance in the same vein.
Babo, man. I didn't want to backstab you, but I just wanted to be sure Shimy is aware of what happend in the past. I think you are a good guy (we even played some 2on2 even after all that happend) and I am all up for your recovery and approve of it. BUT Testie is really not the best example to bring up for instance. It's like a german bringing up Selector for forgiveness.
So to state it here clearly (as I also brought it up), I just wanted to inform Shimy about the circumstances and I did not intend to influence the oppinion whatsoever. In retrospective, I might not have worded it in my last post correctly. I think it is up to Shimy to decide.
|
On October 27 2015 04:00 chrisolo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 02:23 Jealous wrote:On October 27 2015 01:26 chrisolo wrote:
Babo aka Jealous is banned from all D-Rank and C-Rank events though. Just as a headsup for Shimy. This community has in the past forgiven players who have wronged it, like Testie. I would like to ask for forgiveness for my actions, and a second chance in the same vein. Babo, man. I didn't want to backstab you, but I just wanted to be sure Shimy is aware of what happend in the past. I think you are a good guy (we even played some 2on2 even after all that happend) and I am all up for your recovery and approve of it. BUT Testie is really not the best example to bring up for instance. It's like a german bringing up Selector for forgiveness. So to state it here clearly (as I also brought it up), I just wanted to inform Shimy about the circumstances and I did not intend to influence the oppinion whatsoever. In retrospective, I might not have worded it in my last post correctly. I think it is up to Shimy to decide.
You didn't backstab me, you did the right thing. I was prepared for it to come up eventually, doesn't really matter who brings it up ^^ No worries on this front.
Uh, is there something I don't know about? As far as I know, he was caught maphacking and then was allowed back into the community. I guess a better example would be LastShadow, who used modified maps and made a big scene of himself, and was allowed into the SC2 community years down the line? Also, who is this Selector dude, too? EDIT: Nevermind, looked him up on Liquipedia.
|
Name:Master_soul
Race(define if Race Picker):Terran
Max iCCup Rank:D+/C-
Country:Mexico
|
Japan11286 Posts
On October 27 2015 02:57 DannyBOyz wrote:Guess I will make an update about my players, here goes OUR OFFICIAL MEMBERS: aB.WaRZoNe (Leader) Duke_ss Tru]Irish WakingDrone cs.ArmadA If you are supposed to be apart of Club Starcraft and DO NOT see your name on this list please be quick and make a request to join the team on iccup! Link below. IF you cant join the team due to you being in a team already please let me know! ill do my best to make sure your on the roster. The iccup team is temporary and was only made so I could keep track of members easier. Sorry for the confusion! http://iccup.com/en/starcraft/teams/111565.htmlEDIT: We just picked up crimson0011 so add him to the team as well ANOTHER EDIT: Fazers[PaiN] is also apart of Club Starcraft!
Thanks for accepting a noob like me ^_^
|
looool fazers in this league?
|
Some of us free agents have formed a new team! Our temporary team name is Rising C's
Kororo
Taehee[KaL]
[SAM]Gohan
CoughingHydra
CrispyDrone
hafnium
EmptyCup (Captain)
Add our team to the league, please and thanks!
|
I don't think your supposed to take every C- and above and make a team out of them lol
|
On October 28 2015 01:02 Yaqoob wrote:
I don't think your supposed to take every C- and above and make a team out of them lol
I've contacted a few D rankers, but none have responded yet... Most of the free agent list is C rankers.
I also see Sexy Gladiators adding C rankers every few posts...
Was the giant discussion halfway through not saying that there would be a tier system with 1 game for high C/C+, 3 games for C range, and 1 for D/D+?
I'll wait for Shimy to give his verdict on whether or not he'll allow our team to form.
|
I think that the best way to solve it, is just to take all signed up players and draw the teams taking into account their ranks.
|
On October 28 2015 02:39 [SD]RoLLeR wrote:
I think that the best way to solve it, is just to take all signed up players and draw the teams taking into account their ranks.
Only issue with Draft style after teams are created is they may not want to play with certain players, or they really really wanted to play with their friends.
|
What's the difference. In general u play 1v1 so it doesn't matter that much with whom yor are in the team. It didn't even started and people are whinig about the balance of teams so imagine how it will look later on.
|
On October 28 2015 03:47 [SD]RoLLeR wrote:
What's the difference. In general u play 1v1 so it doesn't matter that much with whom yor are in the team. It didn't even started and people are whinig about the balance of teams so imagine how it will look later on.
Historically it has made a huge difference. Some people would simply not play on a team that wasn't with their friends. Other teams have crumbled because of a lack of unifying factor outside of the team. In general, it is common sense that people who want to play together on a team will put more effort into the team and therefore the league. For example, people make Skype channels that they frequently check, or are in similar timezones. They are more likely to practice together, discuss strategies, etc.
The free agent team idea really is suboptimal; if the team in question has already overcome some hurdles and created one they think will work, all the more power to them. Sure, it seems stacked, but if it is indeed a tiered system then it doesn't matter THAT much. And remember, they are less likely to have good organization or proper unifying factors like some of the established teams have. Never underestimate the power of teamwork and communication.
If Teamliquid has shown anything, it's that people will always whine about balance
|
If experience has taught us anything, its that we should be more concerned with players not showing up, or entire teams disappearing, more so than one team face rolling the other.
|
Russian Federation51 Posts
Name: msj[clickmer]
Race: Zerg
Max iCCup Rank: C
Country: Kazahstan
Name: mmmbop[rage]
Race: Terran
Max iCCup Rank: C+
Country: Belarus
Name: mx[rage]
Race: Zerg
Max iCCup Rank: C+
Country: Germany + Russia
add plz in sexy gladiators
|
Canada11350 Posts
On October 28 2015 03:47 [SD]RoLLeR wrote:
What's the difference. In general u play 1v1 so it doesn't matter that much with whom yor are in the team. It didn't even started and people are whinig about the balance of teams so imagine how it will look later on.
One thing you have to consider is some of the teams have been for awhile so there are often built in practice partners in complementary timezones. (Mind you, neither of these look hopeful this time due to Brit and Kiwi times vs PST and the others I practiced with are either not playing or else are on other teams, but the point stands for the most part.)
Furthermore, some captains recruit quite a bit. For instance, Birdie is always finding people to join the low level leagues as evidenced by our D and D- player roster. (Actually, he was the one that convinced me to join the DRTL.) However, those players are most likely (at least at first) to want to play for the one that brought them in first place- the recruiter is their connecting point into the tournament.
Although maybe we will need some team trades if one team is too heavily C with no D's and another team is too heavily D and D- with no C's. (Salary cap if you will.) ...less to do with fairness and more that every team can field players in every tier.
|
Name: SpongeBOZZ
Race: Protoss
Max iCCup Rank: C+
Country: Germany
add me to any team i dont care
|
On October 27 2015 02:57 DannyBOyz wrote:Guess I will make an update about my players, here goes OUR OFFICIAL MEMBERS: aB.WaRZoNe (Leader) Duke_ss Tru]Irish WakingDrone cs.ArmadA If you are supposed to be apart of Club Starcraft and DO NOT see your name on this list please be quick and make a request to join the team on iccup! Link below. IF you cant join the team due to you being in a team already please let me know! ill do my best to make sure your on the roster. The iccup team is temporary and was only made so I could keep track of members easier. Sorry for the confusion! http://iccup.com/en/starcraft/teams/111565.htmlEDIT: We just picked up crimson0011 so add him to the team as well ANOTHER EDIT: Fazers[PaiN] is also apart of Club Starcraft!
Duke_ss was told no as of right now. You cannot add him to your roster.
|
On October 28 2015 11:18 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 03:47 [SD]RoLLeR wrote:
What's the difference. In general u play 1v1 so it doesn't matter that much with whom yor are in the team. It didn't even started and people are whinig about the balance of teams so imagine how it will look later on. One thing you have to consider is some of the teams have been for awhile so there are often built in practice partners in complementary timezones. (Mind you, neither of these look hopeful this time due to Brit and Kiwi times vs PST and the others I practiced with are either not playing or else are on other teams, but the point stands for the most part.) Furthermore, some captains recruit quite a bit. For instance, Birdie is always finding people to join the low level leagues as evidenced by our D and D- player roster. (Actually, he was the one that convinced me to join the DRTL.) However, those players are most likely (at least at first) to want to play for the one that brought them in first place- the recruiter is their connecting point into the tournament. Although maybe we will need some team trades if one team is too heavily C with no D's and another team is too heavily D and D- with no C's. (Salary cap if you will.) ...less to do with fairness and more that every team can field players in every tier.
You're absolutely right. Also, I keep telling teams that they are hurting themselves by recruiting only C or C+ players. You still have to field D ranks every week. You can't substitute down a rank. Just food for thought when you guys are recruiting players.
|
Please add
zs-Adun
to Rising C's.
Thank you!
---- EDIT ----
We would like to officially make our team name WeMadeC. Please also add
evilEye
to our roster.
Thanks again!
|
so we have 6 teams :D when we start?
|
On October 30 2015 03:07 ArtOfBlack wrote:
so we have 6 teams :D when we start?
Sign ups will last until Thursday, November 5th 23:59 EDT (-04:00).
+ Show Spoiler +
|
On October 29 2015 00:25 SWAT-Kat wrote:Please add zs-Adun to Rising C's. Thank you! ---- EDIT ---- We would like to officially make our team name WeMadeC. Please also add evilEye to our roster. Thanks again!
If you guys add players, can you please make a new post? Edits don't update the thread and it's difficult for me to go back and check every post to see if people have edited it.
|
Team Bureaucracy is looking for players! If anyone is interested, be sure to sign up.
EDIT: + Show Spoiler +Name is still subject to change too
|
On October 30 2015 03:20 Shimy wrote:Team Bureaucracy is looking for players! If anyone is interested, be sure to sign up. EDIT: + Show Spoiler +Name is still subject to change too
BBW
Bash Bash Win
+ Show Spoiler +Oh... Wait, that was for our dota team
How about... KTF
Keep the Faith
SKT?
Skills, Knowledge and Tools.
I'm full of great ideas today. Or at least... The urban dictionary and the Internet is.
+ Show Spoiler +
|
Alternate suggestion:
SIBAZSSTTBRHCPTASBTZ
+ Show Spoiler +I would elaborate on this accronym, but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings (Shimy) :D
|
Adding loccxito to Club Starcraft roster.
|
Can you remove me ( ID: WraithFan ) from the list. I probably won't be available enough to participate in a team.
|
On October 30 2015 09:56 LetaBot wrote:
Can you remove me ( ID: WraithFan ) from the list. I probably won't be available enough to participate in a team.
Enter your bot!!
|
Name: samsung865
Race:TERRAN
Max iCCup Rank: C+
Country:South Korea
some teams anything
|
|
|
Canada11350 Posts
On October 30 2015 03:20 Shimy wrote:Team Bureaucracy is looking for players! If anyone is interested, be sure to sign up. EDIT: + Show Spoiler +Name is still subject to change too
go WWE and become The Corporation or The Authority.
And of course Shimy's iccup name ought to be Vince or else McMahon.
|
|
|
On October 30 2015 15:03 yuzix wrote:
Name: samsung865
Race(define if Race Picker):TERRAN
Max iCCup Rank: C+
Country: South Korea
|
Canada11350 Posts
You got it the first time.
|
On October 30 2015 03:18 Shimy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 00:25 SWAT-Kat wrote:Please add zs-Adun to Rising C's. Thank you! ---- EDIT ---- We would like to officially make our team name WeMadeC. Please also add evilEye to our roster. Thanks again! If you guys add players, can you please make a new post? Edits don't update the thread and it's difficult for me to go back and check every post to see if people have edited it.
Sorry about that. And speaking of adding players, please add
Master_soul
to WeMadeC. Thank you again!
|
Sign me up as a free agent.
Name: Talent
Race(define if Race Picker): Toss
Max iCCup Rank: C+
Country: USA
Want to play working on getting internet and stable setup to play at school
|
People were joking before about allowing Nina to play in this because she'd dominate, but now there's plenty of players better than her who've signed up. Even Talent playing doesn't seem unfair now, but if he signed up weeks ago it would have been ridiculous.
|
On October 31 2015 03:17 Sero wrote:
People were joking before about allowing Nina to play in this because she'd dominate, but now there's plenty of players better than her who've signed up. Even Talent playing doesn't seem unfair now, but if he signed up weeks ago it would have been ridiculous.
It seems slightly unfair, but I mean...
+ Show Spoiler +Actually, I've got nothing, + Show Spoiler +our team is going to get demolished.
That's fine though.
|
On October 31 2015 03:17 Sero wrote:
People were joking before about allowing Nina to play in this because she'd dominate, but now there's plenty of players better than her who've signed up. Even Talent playing doesn't seem unfair now, but if he signed up weeks ago it would have been ridiculous.
The league was never made for specifically D ranks, that was obvious from the get go. I just made a tournament for lower ranked people and it turned out most of the interested audience was C ranks. The format being decided upon will not reward teams that have only C ranks. People may whine about who gets to play and who doesn't, but the only outcomes are:
1) Only D rankers: Maybe 3 teams sign up?
2) D ranks and C ranks: Our current position
3) All ranks: Who the heck knows. It would be so one sided it wouldn't even be worth organizing.
@Siz)Beggar Didn't you reach B- back in the day?
@Team Sexy Gladiators http://iccup.com/en/starcraft/gamingprofile/MX[raGe].html mx[rage] and
http://iccup.com/en/starcraft/gamingprofile/Eptenax.html Epetenax will not be able to play in the tournament. You may have signed them up as coaches or coordinators,I just wanted to be sure that everyone was on the same page.
@samsung865 Just being completely honest here, your iCCup account seems really sketchy. Also the fact that you posted from a 4 post account. Anyway, we're just double checking your status.
@Everyone The format will be posted tomorrow after we finalize some things. I'm having help from the amazing ggrrg so that things will be as balanced as possible. Teams that have 1 or 2 D rankers, I'm giving you a fair and final warning: Recruit more D ranks or you will receive a W.O. in that tier.
|
On October 31 2015 04:19 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2015 03:17 Sero wrote:
People were joking before about allowing Nina to play in this because she'd dominate, but now there's plenty of players better than her who've signed up. Even Talent playing doesn't seem unfair now, but if he signed up weeks ago it would have been ridiculous. It seems slightly unfair, but I mean... + Show Spoiler +Actually, I've got nothing, + Show Spoiler +our team is going to get demolished. That's fine though.
It's only because no one on our team is recruiting anyone. We just need two decent C ranks and we're solid.
|
No I haven't hit b- on iccup I mostly played on Korean servers brain/fish
|
Russian Federation51 Posts
Shimy its just after new ladder sistemy all ranks up after season 36 because C ranks(C-CC+) have vs D rank(D-DD+) +97 on motw many player get A-B ranks only vs D :D So what we will ban active players ?
Eptenax C- and C only in season 20 and MX C+ in 24 season its Yellow ranks man ;o
|
Russian Federation51 Posts
|
|
|
On October 31 2015 11:28 Siz)Beggar wrote:
No I haven't hit b- on iccup I mostly played on Korean servers brain/fish
whats your max on fish then? I recall you as strong player from 2009 or so, confused to see you sign up here tbh. Maybe my memory doesn't serve me well though.
|
On October 31 2015 18:22 iCCup.JiN wrote:
Shimy its just after new ladder sistemy all ranks up after season 36 because C ranks(C-CC+) have vs D rank(D-DD+) +97 on motw many player get A-B ranks only vs D :D So what we will ban active players ?
Eptenax C- and C only in season 20 and MX C+ in 24 season its Yellow ranks man ;o
So you're saying the rule should be "Never hit B until season 36, ranks after that don't matter" ?
What's the point of rank constraints? What's the point of the new ICCup system at all then?
|
On November 01 2015 02:20 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2015 18:22 iCCup.JiN wrote:
Shimy its just after new ladder sistemy all ranks up after season 36 because C ranks(C-CC+) have vs D rank(D-DD+) +97 on motw many player get A-B ranks only vs D :D So what we will ban active players ?
Eptenax C- and C only in season 20 and MX C+ in 24 season its Yellow ranks man ;o So you're saying the rule should be "Never hit B until season 36, ranks after that don't matter" ? What's the point of rank constraints? What's the point of the new ICCup system at all then?
Yeah, after Season 36, ranks don't matter. The new iCCup system is to encourage a high number of games played on the server. You simply rank up by playing a lot of games, which no longer reflect skill level at all. D- and B+ are equivalent.
|
@Sero:
Some people might not be able to see the sarcasm lol
|
On November 01 2015 02:30 Sero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2015 02:20 Jealous wrote:On October 31 2015 18:22 iCCup.JiN wrote:
Shimy its just after new ladder sistemy all ranks up after season 36 because C ranks(C-CC+) have vs D rank(D-DD+) +97 on motw many player get A-B ranks only vs D :D So what we will ban active players ?
Eptenax C- and C only in season 20 and MX C+ in 24 season its Yellow ranks man ;o So you're saying the rule should be "Never hit B until season 36, ranks after that don't matter" ? What's the point of rank constraints? What's the point of the new ICCup system at all then? Yeah, after Season 36, ranks don't matter. The new iCCup system is to encourage a high number of games played on the server. You simply rank up by playing a lot of games, which no longer reflect skill level at all. D- and B+ are equivalent.
Makes sense for raising activity. Decrease point losses, increase point gains, decrease ladder anxiety, increase player population.
Makes no sense for a competitive ranking system. Let's say I was C- back then and I am worse now but I play 100 games against D ranks, according to what I've heard I'll hit B-. But a person who was C- back then, improved to the point of being around B- by the old standards, they can play 50 games and also hit B- like they would have under the old system. This makes it impossible to differentiate between the two. The only real difference is activity level in the current seasons. Am I understanding this correctly?
If it's impossible to differentiate between former C- players who are still C- (by the old ranking) and C- players who are now B- players (again, by the old ranking), then rank restrictions have become irrelevant. People who might still qualify for the tournament based on skill are disallowed because they are active and have hit B-, people who would not qualify based on skill are allowed because they aren't active enough. I guess it's the same issue as in prior leagues, just with another wrench thrown in the works.
It just all seems so goddamn stupid :/
EDIT: @Yaqoob: If he was being sarcastic, I didn't get that impression. Hyperbole maybe (D- and B+ being equivalent, obviously an exaggeration). But the truth is the new system IS skewed, no? Ranks have been inflated? Even mishin hit C-.
|
On November 01 2015 02:30 Sero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2015 02:20 Jealous wrote:On October 31 2015 18:22 iCCup.JiN wrote:
Shimy its just after new ladder sistemy all ranks up after season 36 because C ranks(C-CC+) have vs D rank(D-DD+) +97 on motw many player get A-B ranks only vs D :D So what we will ban active players ?
Eptenax C- and C only in season 20 and MX C+ in 24 season its Yellow ranks man ;o So you're saying the rule should be "Never hit B until season 36, ranks after that don't matter" ? What's the point of rank constraints? What's the point of the new ICCup system at all then? Yeah, after Season 36, ranks don't matter. The new iCCup system is to encourage a high number of games played on the server. You simply rank up by playing a lot of games, which no longer reflect skill level at all. D- and B+ are equivalent.
Your B+/A- is equivalent to a D-, haha.
What a loser. I hate you.
|
Name: waterbender
Race(define if Race Picker): Terran
Max iCCup Rank: C+
Country: USA
|
Although the poster above only has 1 post, I've played 5-6 games against him and he is C+
I'm just saying this in case posters might think its a bit fishy that a 1 post account is trying to join the league.
|
On November 01 2015 02:48 Yaqoob wrote:
@Sero:
Some people might not be able to see the sarcasm lol
Sorry, I was being serious. I don't think it's much of an exaggeration. If someone was stuck at D- from seasons 1-35, they can now hit B+ or even A- with enough games played. B+ players are encouraged to play against D ranks or even E rank 1 pointers.
|
On November 01 2015 04:03 Sero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2015 02:48 Yaqoob wrote:
@Sero:
Some people might not be able to see the sarcasm lol Sorry, I was being serious. I don't think it's much of an exaggeration. If someone was stuck at D- from seasons 1-35, they can now hit B+ or even A- with enough games played. B+ players are encouraged to play against D ranks or even E rank 1 pointers.
lol ok
I do find that C/C+ is a bit harder then before but it also depends who you play.I'm C+ right now and I don't play D people. I actually have the range limit set to 2000 minimum and 6200 maximun. I've played a bunch of pretty good C/C+ people who only play other C/C+/B- players.
People use to abuse like crazy with the old system playing D/D+ when they were C+ but it is a bit easier (and encouraged just like your post says) then before.
|
Russian Federation51 Posts
yes Eptenax and art of eptenax and clickmers its same guys
|
Russian Federation51 Posts
so what Eptenax, MX B ranks by new sistem and Clickmer B- very long time ago cant play ;o ?
|
On November 01 2015 02:54 Jealous wrote:
Even mishin hit C-.
Yeah he did, but he's a god
|
On November 01 2015 04:03 Sero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2015 02:48 Yaqoob wrote:
@Sero:
Some people might not be able to see the sarcasm lol Sorry, I was being serious. I don't think it's much of an exaggeration. If someone was stuck at D- from seasons 1-35, they can now hit B+ or even A- with enough games played. B+ players are encouraged to play against D ranks or even E rank 1 pointers.
There's ALWAYS going to be people trying to work the system. That doesn't invalidate someone else's hard work. There are extreme examples, like Julia getting A+, but generally, most of the people I know of are still around where they were before unless they're somehow convincing D players to give them games.
Simply put: if someone wants to bash noobs to get a high rank and feel fuzzy inside about themselves, good for them, but now they shouldn't be playing a D-C rank team league. I do not care if someone "hit B- under new system, but is actually C-", because that is a lame-ass excuse. They can play in the big league when that comes back around.
Stop trying to have your cake and eat it too.
|
Even mishin hit C-.
Wow I truly missed a lot while I was away
How does the new iCCup system work such that B- == D-? And such that mishin hit C-?
|
On November 01 2015 08:11 Birdie wrote:Wow I truly missed a lot while I was away How does the new iCCup system work such that B- == D-? And such that mishin hit C-?
There is probably a page on the website that explains the exact exchange rate of points, but an anecdotal example is I have a D- account and I beat a C player and got 125 points, whereas he lost 62 points. The other games in which he beat me, he gained 75 points and I lost 37.
So basically it seems that now instead of D-/D/D+ being separate ranks with separate point barriers, they just lumped all of D together so it doesn't matter if you beat a D- or a D+ player, you will get the same amount of points.
So, in the past if you were D+ and you beat a D player, you would get 75 points. I think it was what, 67 points for if you beat D-? Now it's if you are C+ and you beat a D- player, you get 75 points. If you are B, you get 67. Same applies to losing points; in the old system a D+ would lose as many points to a D player as you would now as a C+ player losing to a D- player.
|
On November 01 2015 08:11 Birdie wrote:Wow I truly missed a lot while I was away How does the new iCCup system work such that B- == D-? And such that mishin hit C-?
The new system makes it easier to level up. But that almost means it's easier for abusers to level up, so on paper, a D+ person could get to B+ by bashing D-. Even though that happened under the "old system" quite a bit, now it's more of an issue because iCCup is so severely undermanned that they cannot handle the reports of abuse, or process ladder reports.
|
Alright, for some reason I can only access TL.net for a few minutes and it keeps crashing. I'll update the thread tomorrow and give a more official statement on specific players, but as of right now the tiered format will be as follows:
D+ cutoff <map A> D+ cutoff
C- cutoff<map B> C- cutoff
C cutoff<map C> C cutoff
C cutoff <map D> C cutoff
C+ cutoff <map E> C+ cutoff
We feel that this format will be the most balanced as it doesn't favor any one team. These match ups are listed as 'cutoffs' because, for example, teams are allowed to place a D rank player in any tier, but they can't place a C+ player in a tier below the C+ player cutoff.
Hopefully everyone can elaborate on this format and trade players if need be.
Also, as of right now, players that have achieved above C+ on iCCup at ANY point in the history of iCCup are not allowed to play in the league. This seems harsh, but it's done to maintain what little balance is left in the league. In retrospect, I might have gone about this differently before I had this many people sign up, but this is the way we're moving forward. This does in fact make Talent eligible for the league. Once again, I'll add players to the OP free agent list tomorrow when I get off work.
Lastly, after much consideration, Jealous has been made officially eligible for the league. I want to state that I have never experienced any issues with him as a player or person, but I do understand his past in other leagues. He recognizes his past actions as mistakes and looks to right his wrongs in this league. I trust him as we move forward, and he knows better than anyone that we will be watching his actions as we proceed.
+ Show Spoiler +While I have everyone's attention, my team is still currently recruiting players. PM me!
|
Canada11350 Posts
I guess Stealth Bunnies had better recruit more C's because 6/10 of our team is competing for that one D slot.
|
On November 01 2015 07:52 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2015 04:03 Sero wrote:On November 01 2015 02:48 Yaqoob wrote:
@Sero:
Some people might not be able to see the sarcasm lol Sorry, I was being serious. I don't think it's much of an exaggeration. If someone was stuck at D- from seasons 1-35, they can now hit B+ or even A- with enough games played. B+ players are encouraged to play against D ranks or even E rank 1 pointers. There's ALWAYS going to be people trying to work the system. That doesn't invalidate someone else's hard work. There are extreme examples, like Julia getting A+, but generally, most of the people I know of are still around where they were before unless they're somehow convincing D players to give them games. Simply put: if someone wants to bash noobs to get a high rank and feel fuzzy inside about themselves, good for them, but now they shouldn't be playing a D-C rank team league. I do not care if someone "hit B- under new system, but is actually C-", because that is a lame-ass excuse. They can play in the big league when that comes back around. Stop trying to have your cake and eat it too.
I agree 100% with this post. I don't think I could have worded it better if I wanted too.
|
That format favours any teams with a lot of players who are at least C- or C max, we have like 6 D- players in sB who would struggle against D+ let alone C-, C, and C+ (which is 4/5 slots in the lineup). It would be much better, in my personal opinion, that there be only one, maybe two slots for any C ranks at all (one for C-, one for C+) and the rest be just any D ranker.
|
On November 01 2015 14:08 Birdie wrote:
That format favours any teams with a lot of players who are at least C- or C max, we have like 6 D- players in sB who would struggle against D+ let alone C-, C, and C+ (which is 4/5 slots in the lineup). It would be much better, in my personal opinion, that there be only one, maybe two slots for any C ranks at all (one for C-, one for C+) and the rest be just any D ranker.
Obviously that would be better for teams who have a lot of D players and not many C players. However, it would be terrible for teams with few D players and a lot of C players.
No matter how you slice it, there's going to be people who either won't get to play more than 1/2 games a season because they are on a team with 5 C/C+ players, or people who will get crushed by their opposition because they will be D level players filling C level positions. The important factor to consider, in my opinion, is that D players can play above their rank whereas C players cannot play below; the D player can still get a game that they prepare for and can analyze after with their teammates. Limiting it to one slot for C is absurd, but even two would simply be too few.
If I were to suggest a compromise, it'd be 1 game for each of the following max ranks: D, D+, C-, C, C+ or below. That way it encompasses all the available ranks in this league (because it is impossible to be D- max).
However, I don't think that it is our place to push for changes. At the end of the day, this was advertised as a D/C league, and that is who is going to be playing. As the players with the lowest skill in the league, any D- player joining this should not have come in expecting to win games, but to benefit from the experience of team play, training, practice, and MU/map practice. Just my two cents.
|
Canada11350 Posts
Unfortunately not a lot of D's (20 or so) signed up compared to C's (around 40). There wouldn't be enough players to have 4 D slots and 1 C slot. It would be nice to have 2 D slots as there is a significant difference between D's and D+'s (nevermind D-'s, but Stealth Bunnies is the only team with D- players, so it's hard to have a separate D- slot, despite how big the skill difference is from a complete beginner and a mid range D. Although, I think in the past, it was a D slot versus D+ slot, cutting the D+'s out gave midrange D's a chance even if it was still rough for D-'s). But I think you'd be hard pressed to have more than 2 D slots given the number of people that signed up.
Weird team distributions are going to mess with whatever format is decided. With this format, if all the D's were evenly distributed, each D could play every once every third week (assuming weekly play days), but because SB has a third of the D's, we'll play once every six weeks. Assuming even distribution in the C's, in this format, they should play play twice every three weeks. Whereas SB's C's will play every week, but the Gladiators, who have 1/4 of the league's C's, will play twice every five weeks and will get worse if C slots are dropped. Pretty hard to get around team compositions however you deal with it.
|
I'd like to add  sB.SpongeBOZZZ (C+ max) to Team Stealth Bunnies.
|
Shimy, I know this would be just little thing, but can you change (DESPA) Miso's race from zerg to protoss? I just don't want to cause any problems later on. thanks!
|
I guess I could sign up, can only play every other saturday due to work unless rescheduling is done(know my entire schedule for a year+ tho)
Also am probably shit, because i pretty much only play DotA2 these days
Name : arb
Race :
Max iCCup Rank : C
Country : USA
|
If it hasn't happened yet lets get all the captains in the same skype.
|
On November 02 2015 09:24 art_of_turtle wrote:
If it hasn't happened yet lets get all the captains in the same skype.
There's a Skype group with I believe 4 of them and Shimy in it, if anyone is a captain and not in the group then PM me and I will add you.
|
Put me up for team SB.
Name: Splax
Race: Protoss
Max iCCup Rank: C+
Country: Suedi
|
Depending on when games actually start, I'll probably be able to play, if anyone cares to have me on the team.
Name: RedAxis
Race:
Max iCCup Rank: C-
Country:
Unfortunately, I'll be unreliable during December time though, due to exams.
|
On November 02 2015 11:01 SynC[gm] wrote:Depending on when games actually start, I'll probably be able to play, if anyone cares to have me on the team. Name: RedAxis Race: Max iCCup Rank: C- Country: Unfortunately, I'll be unreliable during December time though, due to exams.
Looking forward to more games with you ^^
|
I took the liberty to create a liquipedia page:
Amateur TeamLeague
edit:
Feel free to correct any information about the teams and the players.
|
On November 01 2015 10:23 Shimy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +While I have everyone's attention, my team is still currently recruiting players. PM me!
I replied to your PM a few days ago. I'm wondering if you received it.
|
On November 01 2015 23:02 arb wrote:I guess I could sign up, can only play every other saturday due to work unless rescheduling is done(know my entire schedule for a year+ tho) Also am probably shit, because i pretty much only play DotA2 these days Name : arb Race : Max iCCup Rank : C Country : USA
On November 02 2015 11:01 SynC[gm] wrote:Depending on when games actually start, I'll probably be able to play, if anyone cares to have me on the team. Name: RedAxis Race: Max iCCup Rank: C- Country: Unfortunately, I'll be unreliable during December time though, due to exams.
I'm gonna add you both to my team Are either of you opposed to it?
|
On November 02 2015 17:34 feckless wrote:I replied to your PM a few days ago. I'm wondering if you received it.
Yes I did! Sorry about, fixing it now, we're glad you're on our team!
|
|
|
Club StarCraft needs more D+ and under level players! If you would like to join our team, message "DannyBOyz" on TeamLiquid.
|
Name: Seriosity
Race: Terran
Max iCCup Rank: C
Country: US
i'll be away for 5-7 days, but then after that I'm available
|
Please add sB.DeathheaveN (C+) to Team Stealth Bunnies.
|
wow other C+ for the bunnies! this tournament will be hard
|
On November 04 2015 08:18 AmatistA wrote:
wow other C+ for the bunnies! this tournament will be hard
Pshh, I'm considering calling our team the Bunny Slaughterers. They have no chance ;D
|
On November 04 2015 08:18 AmatistA wrote:
wow other C+ for the bunnies! this tournament will be hard
Ranks do not matter. That's why we have the rank cutoff format.
But sB is OP indeed!
You cannot beat a team with 50+%
|
On November 04 2015 08:26 Shimy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 08:18 AmatistA wrote:
wow other C+ for the bunnies! this tournament will be hard Pshh, I'm considering calling our team the Bunny Slaughterers. They have no chance ;D
ROFL
|
On November 04 2015 08:42 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 08:18 AmatistA wrote:
wow other C+ for the bunnies! this tournament will be hard Ranks do not matter. That's why we have the rank cutoff format. But sB is OP indeed! You cannot beat a team with 50+%
truth...
|
|
|
Canada11350 Posts
On November 04 2015 08:42 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 08:18 AmatistA wrote:
wow other C+ for the bunnies! this tournament will be hard Ranks do not matter. That's why we have the rank cutoff format. But sB is OP indeed! You cannot beat a team with 50+%
We could be the Stealth Toss
...or just the Dark Templars
|
On November 02 2015 22:35 Shimy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2015 23:02 arb wrote:I guess I could sign up, can only play every other saturday due to work unless rescheduling is done(know my entire schedule for a year+ tho) Also am probably shit, because i pretty much only play DotA2 these days Name : arb Race : Max iCCup Rank : C Country : USA Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 11:01 SynC[gm] wrote:Depending on when games actually start, I'll probably be able to play, if anyone cares to have me on the team. Name: RedAxis Race: Max iCCup Rank: C- Country: Unfortunately, I'll be unreliable during December time though, due to exams. I'm gonna add you both to my team Are either of you opposed to it?
Sure, go for it. Anything for the attention of Lmaster-senpai.
|
On November 02 2015 12:36 ggrrg wrote:I took the liberty to create a liquipedia page: Amateur TeamLeagueedit: Feel free to correct any information about the teams and the players.
sBs.Babo was mistakenly added to WeMadeC, so I went ahead and moved him to Club Starcraft. Thanks for the liquipedia page! Looks nice!
Other than one team member's flag being wrong (which I edited), everything looks good for WeMadeC.
|
|
|
I will sign up an sc2 buddy of mine before he makes his own tl.net account:
Name: Melchsee
Race(define if Race Picker): Terran
Max iCCup Rank: D
Country: Latvia
|
^
I was told I should write something to prove I am real and not a figment of my friends imagination, so here it is.
|
ATTENTION
In addition to the format, we are also adding another D+ cutoff tier. Now each matchup between teams is a Bo6. The format for each is week is as follows:
D+ cutoff <map A> D+ cutoff
D+ cutoff <map B> D+ cutoff
C- cutoff<map C> C- cutoff
C cutoff<map D> C cutoff
C cutoff <map E> C cutoff
C+ cutoff <map F> C+ cutoff
This allows more D ranks to play and it also increases the importance of having of having them on your team. Each week, teams facing each other will receive 1 point for each won match. Yes, this can result in ties in these matchups, but we are using a point-based system. The 4 teams with the most points at the end of a 9 week period will be placed accordingly in a playoff bracket. If ties exists at the end of 9 weeks, there may be tie breaker matches to determine final four ranking.
Now, this additional tier is only a problem for a couple teams in the league (my team included) who do not have several D ranks players. That means the following: Go find some! We're closing signups tomorrow, Thursday, at 11:59 EST, however, teams can add players throughout the remainder of league. BUT, players added only 1 day prior to line up submissions are unable to participate in that weeks matches. This is so opposing teams and captains are not able to sneak a surprise player the night before a match and catch the other team off guard.
Anyway, have fun and good luck to everyone! + Show Spoiler +
|
Club StarCraft now REALLY needs you, D+ max players! Please send a message to DannyBOyz on TamLiquid to apply!
|
On November 04 2015 13:56 SynC[gm] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 22:35 Shimy wrote:On November 01 2015 23:02 arb wrote:I guess I could sign up, can only play every other saturday due to work unless rescheduling is done(know my entire schedule for a year+ tho) Also am probably shit, because i pretty much only play DotA2 these days Name : arb Race : Max iCCup Rank : C Country : USA On November 02 2015 11:01 SynC[gm] wrote:Depending on when games actually start, I'll probably be able to play, if anyone cares to have me on the team. Name: RedAxis Race: Max iCCup Rank: C- Country: Unfortunately, I'll be unreliable during December time though, due to exams. I'm gonna add you both to my team Are either of you opposed to it? Sure, go for it. Anything for the attention of Lmaster-senpai.
Ooooo. You guys got mah attention now. Been a long time since I played with BadassAxis or BossManArb!
|
Redaxis, lmaster, chrisolo, artofturtle etc all signed up, my nostalgia for d ranks is over flowing currently.
|
On November 05 2015 10:37 Shimy wrote:
ATTENTION
In addition to the format, we are also adding another D+ cutoff tier. Now each matchup between teams is a Bo6. The format for each is week is as follows:
D+ cutoff <map A> D+ cutoff
D+ cutoff <map B> D+ cutoff
C- cutoff<map C> C- cutoff
C cutoff<map D> C cutoff
C cutoff <map E> C cutoff
C+ cutoff <map F> C+ cutoff
This allows more D ranks to play and it also increases the importance of having of having them on your team. Each week, teams facing each other will receive 1 point for each won match. Yes, this can result in ties in these matchups, but we are using a point-based system. The 4 teams with the most points at the end of a 9 week period will be placed accordingly in a playoff bracket. If ties exists at the end of 9 weeks, there may be tie breaker matches to determine final four ranking. Now, this additional tier is only a problem for a couple teams in the league (my team included) who do not have several D ranks players. That means the following: Go find some! We're closing signups tomorrow, Thursday, at 11:59 EST, however, teams can add players throughout the remainder of league. BUT, players added only 1 day prior to line up submissions are unable to participate in that weeks matches. This is so opposing teams and captains are not able to sneak a surprise player the night before a match and catch the other team off guard. Anyway, have fun and good luck to everyone! + Show Spoiler +
Our team doesn't have several D rank players? o.o News to me.
|
Team DeSPA has added another gamer
Name: fischei
Race(define if Race Picker): Protoss
Max iCCup Rank: C+
Country: Germany
Edit:
Shimy please link the Liquipedia page at the top of the OP. It is frustrating to search for it everytime..
|
Russian Federation51 Posts
add in sexy gladiators
Name: iwL-Hellscream
Race: Zerg
Max iCCup Rank: C-
Country: Latvia
|
On November 04 2015 03:03 seriosity wrote:
Name: Seriosity
Race: Terran
Max iCCup Rank: C
Country: US
i'll be away for 5-7 days, but then after that I'm available
I don't know if you remember me but I was in wOk and UED with you (Fantasy in UED and Arya in wOk) but we used to play each other a good amount together.
|
Ok I updated the thread.
@Club Starcraft Add D ranks!
New R&S thread coming with all the details and weekly matchups!
|
Team: DeSPA
Name: iNs.DNH
Race: Terran
Max iCCup Rank: C-
Country: World
Please add me to the roster.
|
On November 11 2015 05:46 DarkNetHunter wrote:
Team: DeSPA
Name: iNs.DNH
Race: Terran
Max iCCup Rank: C-
Country: World
Please add me to the roster.
Nooooooooooooooooo...
|
hughh? 
|
Name: iNs.Rlentless
Race: Terran
Max iCCup Rank: C
signing up as free agent, hopefully im not too late..
|
can i still sign up?
sb.icedraco
race:protoss
max rank: C-/C
COuntry:philippines
|
|
|
Iccup ID : nDie.XtinC
Race : Zerg
Max Rank : D+
Country : Philippines
|
Japan11286 Posts
|
|
|
|
|
Japan11286 Posts
|
ClubStarcraft needs players. anyone from the D- to C ranks. Apparently we have players that dropped out of the league and we can't finish our matches this way.
Please advise.
|
On November 13 2015 23:14 Fazers wrote:
ClubStarcraft needs players. anyone from the D- to C ranks. Apparently we have players that dropped out of the league and we can't finish our matches this way.
Please advise.
can u recruit ph.xtinc?
|
I've been "practicing" lately (and when I say "practicing", I mean playing more than once a week), and I'm getting my ass whooped left and right. I play Zerg because I'm the least worst at it compared to the other two. My ZvP is barely passable, my ZvT is pretty bad, and my ZvZ is terribad. So get ready for some arcane confounding gameplay.
But, hey, go team! 
|
On November 14 2015 14:59 icedraco wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 23:14 Fazers wrote:
ClubStarcraft needs players. anyone from the D- to C ranks. Apparently we have players that dropped out of the league and we can't finish our matches this way.
Please advise. can u recruit ph.xtinc?
Yes, but we need specifically a D and C- as well.
|
On November 15 2015 01:26 Fazers wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 14:59 icedraco wrote:On November 13 2015 23:14 Fazers wrote:
ClubStarcraft needs players. anyone from the D- to C ranks. Apparently we have players that dropped out of the league and we can't finish our matches this way.
Please advise. can u recruit ph.xtinc? Yes, but we need specifically a D and C- as well.
We recruited PH.XtinC, we now have two players who are physically capable of filling the D slots (and one more who is still waiting on his computer). Thanks!
We are still potentially looking for a C- player because the situation with our only current one is undecided.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UYKmB2A.png)
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images/f/f2/HEL_Demian.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/maps/235_Match%20Point.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fQmw97J.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/maps/237_Fighting%20Spirit.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mkQkfn7.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/maps/159_Blue%20Storm.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.panschk.de/mappage/pics/4573.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/maps/192_Colosseum%20II.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/maps/267_New%20Heartbreak%20Ridge.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1Hf235r.png)
sB.Birdie (max C I think, ages ago I'm so bad now lol)
