EPTOn August 13 2015 15:43 johanes wrote:
I think this should have been finals, not sure if other series will deliver
I think this should have been finals, not sure if other series will deliver
SSL9 finals didn't deliver?
[SSL] SF: Mind vs Bisu - Page 18
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
SSL9 finals didn't deliver? | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19300 Posts
Bisu and hero are even better then last finals. It will be intense if they meet. | ||
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johanes
Czech Republic2229 Posts
On August 14 2015 00:50 BisuDagger wrote: Bisu and hero are even better then last finals. It will be intense if they meet. Im afraid Bisu will get 3:0 quickly by Hero. | ||
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Miragee
8620 Posts
On August 14 2015 02:03 johanes wrote: Im afraid Bisu will get 3:0 quickly by Hero. Only if hero goes full shine mode. | ||
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aedeph
104 Posts
Hence we are awaiting massive finals. On August 13 2015 15:03 Ilikestarcraft wrote: I have wondered about the same thing but I have never seen a good terran ever attack the pylon. I always see them attack the gateway. I never personally tested it so I don't know the exact reasons why but just thinking about it, I think because pylons build so quickly if the protoss sees you attacking the pylon, he can just make another one and it'll probably finish when the first pylon is destroyed which means the gateway is still being powered. On August 13 2015 15:25 [[Starlight]] wrote: Well then you could just have the SCVs destroy the next warping-in pylon, too... but I guess you don't want to be out there all day destroying pylons when you should be mining. On August 13 2015 17:24 deathgod6 wrote: I think it also has to do with the surface area of the gateway compared to the pylon. It's easier for scvs to surround and hit the gateway than the small pylon, especially if you are microing against taking damage from probes. Are you kidding, guys? Just a few posts above your nonsense, I've written the only and exact reason, which is incredibly simple and obvious for anyone, who played sc: On August 13 2015 14:34 aedeph wrote: Nothing good for Mind, unpowered buildings in the middle of production resume their work. EDIT: However, "resume" is probably inconvenient word, "continue" suits better, I guess. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19300 Posts
On August 14 2015 02:03 johanes wrote: Im afraid Bisu will get 3:0 quickly by Hero. Going to need supporting facts here. | ||
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Miragee
8620 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5206 Posts
On August 14 2015 02:03 johanes wrote: Im afraid Bisu will get 3:0 quickly by Hero. Maybe on ladder on a good day for Hero, but live on stage? Bisu is all about performing on stage. Bisu will also get Hero to showcase his ZvP vs Free. So it's looking really good for Bisu. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19300 Posts
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On August 14 2015 02:36 aedeph wrote: Are you kidding, guys? Just a few posts above your nonsense, I've written the only and exact reason, which is incredibly simple and obvious for anyone, who played sc Calm down Trigger, we get it. As I said earlier: "Still seeing the match through 'why you not win, Mind' -vision.  "Let us mourn, mmmkay? Geez. *still mad at stupid zealot popping just-in-time* | ||
prech
United States2948 Posts
On August 13 2015 19:10 GeLaar wrote: Rough translation of the DES interview. Q: You used Carriers a lot, and also used them well in combinations with other units. A: These builds were not prepared for today. I was thinking I'll just see what my opponent does, and react. Back when I was a progamer, I really wasn't good at using Carriers. I didn't know how. But since I've been broadcasting on my stream, I've learned a few more things, got the hang of using them, and became more confident. So I used them today, and it went well in two games. Thanks for translating! PM'd ya another interview (here) but I imagine it's largely identical  Surprised Bisu impromptu switched to carriers reacting to Mind's builds, which seemed pretty standard TvP play... It's funny Bisu mentions having become accustomed to carriers in this Afreeca era, as he rarely uses them on Fighting Spirit, so I'd love to hear what he has to say about any shifts in TvP strategies that prompted this decision making... | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
That said, Mind and hero improved a lot too from their PL days. They actually play like high-tier players nowadays. Impressive. | ||
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Miragee
8620 Posts
On August 14 2015 06:51 LegalLord wrote: Bisu sure has changed his strategy overall since the SSL era... he does a lot more cheesy, aggro, and just generally unusual/out of character builds these days than he did as a progamer. I like it - it suits his style well, and I always wished he could play this way in the past, when there were OSLs to be won. Maybe he's just one of those players who shines in a less stressful environment? That said, Mind and hero improved a lot too from their PL days. They actually play like high-tier players nowadays. Impressive. Bisu has always played rather agressive and strats with a lot of multi tasking involved where other protosses shied away from. Even his standard builds looked different from other protosses because he executed them differently in regards to the use of the produced units. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On August 14 2015 06:56 Miragee wrote: Bisu has always played rather agressive and strats with a lot of multi tasking involved where other protosses shied away from. Even his standard builds looked different from other protosses because he executed them differently in regards to the use of the produced units. Well, unfortunately he had a habit of being predictable, and playing into T's strengths, with his normal builds. Terran is a better defensive race than Zerg, so it's a little harder for aggressive/multitask strats to really work without a proper understanding of timing and strategy. Bisu has gotten a bit better on that end at least, which actually makes his PvT results look better. | ||
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aedeph
104 Posts
On August 14 2015 06:27 [[Starlight]] wrote: Let us mourn, mmmkay? Geez. *still mad at stupid zealot popping just-in-time* Your suffering is insufficient. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3AsIlJb.png) Here zealot is still not finished, and gateway has just 12 hit points, which mean, that it would have been dead, if Mind have sent 6th SCV just slightly earlier with the whole group of 4th SCV.from the mining line (6th SCV was scout). | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On August 14 2015 07:21 aedeph wrote: Your suffering is insufficient. Here zealot is still not finished, and gateway has just 12 hit points, which mean, that it would have been dead, if Mind have sent 6th SCV just slightly earlier with the whole group of 4th SCV.from the mining line (6th SCV was scout). He should've delayed rax a bit more and sent many SCVs earlier. 7 7 build is only effective when zealot gets into terran's base. If Terran secured killing that gateway before 1 zealot is made, then it will be terran's favor. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Seemed more psychological than economical in terms of how much damage that zealot caused. | ||
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aedeph
104 Posts
On August 14 2015 07:33 LaStScan wrote: He should've delayed rax a bit more and sent many SCVs earlier. 7 7 build is only effective when zealot gets into terran's base. If Terran secured killing that gateway before 1 zealot is made, then it will be terran's favor. With 6 SCVs and 4 counter probes, zealot timing was a coin flip. In time of moving SCVs we can see Mind's POV with 10/10 limit, one SCV constructing supply. 7 SCVs will leave him with 2 to consecutive 4 SCVs mining - massive economic handicap, even with greatly delayed rax. Besides, zealot was very effective just by the fact of construction - Bisu easily sniped a lot of SCVs without any significant damage to the probes. So 7 build looks pretty imba, of course, in case you have such nice multitasking and micro skills. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On August 14 2015 07:35 LegalLord wrote: Would it have really made a phenomenal difference? He would have lost three (or so, don't remember exactly) less SCV's. While that is a lot, pulling all the SCVs he did, and losing half of them, already cost him at least enough to make that attack worth the money to Bisu. And Bisu would've had an extra 100 minerals from that zealot, and Mind would be short the minerals that that sixth SCV wouldn't have mined. Seemed more psychological than economical in terms of how much damage that zealot caused. Looking at the replay, the zealot got 4 scv kills, and most of a 5th (a probie helped a bit). Seems huge to me, especially happening that early. | ||
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soujiro_
Uruguay5195 Posts
hbr 2 times sadface | ||
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