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LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
August 12 2015 22:09 GMT
#321
I really wish mind sent 1~2 more scvs. He should've sensed it was 7 7 build. Mind has to delay his barracks timing, and he must make sure that he takes down the gateway.

Terran player sends 1 scv at 10/10 population (9th scv) to find proxy. If terran gets to see probe was coming + gateway is already 50%, then it must be 7 7 build. Mind's 6 scvs pull was perfect calculation to kill a gateway before the zealot comes out. Unfortunately, he did not prepare against 3 additional probes. :/
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
August 12 2015 22:14 GMT
#322
Sick series! Hadn't watched any BW in a while. I liked the refreshing PvT build by Bisu with the early two base two stargate carriers into 2 carriers + 1 shuttle harrass into mass expand while keeping his opponent busy. Felt pretty strong although Mind didn't respond as well as he could have in game 3.

On August 12 2015 20:57 _Animus_ wrote:
Aand game 5 is BBS a.k.a. Bisu's bullshit. Embarasing stuff for a player of such caliber.


This makes no sense at all.
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ii.blitzkrieg
Profile Joined November 2006
Canada1122 Posts
August 13 2015 02:23 GMT
#323
Kind of a lame series with all games ending up pretty one sided. Hope we can see some crazy PvZ in the finals before Bisu enters military service.
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
August 13 2015 03:12 GMT
#324
it was rather subtle but it was uncanny how quickly mind pulled his scvs to send it to kill the proxy -- literally less than one 1 second after he saw the proxy

what was even uncannier was how quickly bisu reacted to THAT - by sending his probes literally few microseconds after he saw mind pull his scvs

these guys are scary good
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prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
August 13 2015 04:58 GMT
#325
Some DES coverage:

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http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2015081300331253819

Very cool, video interview this time
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[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-13 05:21:27
August 13 2015 05:18 GMT
#326
On August 13 2015 07:09 LaStScan wrote:
I really wish mind sent 1~2 more scvs. He should've sensed it was 7 7 build. Mind has to delay his barracks timing, and he must make sure that he takes down the gateway.

Terran player sends 1 scv at 10/10 population (9th scv) to find proxy. If terran gets to see probe was coming + gateway is already 50%, then it must be 7 7 build. Mind's 6 scvs pull was perfect calculation to kill a gateway before the zealot comes out. Unfortunately, he did not prepare against 3 additional probes. :/

Wonder what would've happened if Mind had taken down the pylon instead... lots less hp/sp there than the gate...

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aedeph
Profile Joined May 2015
104 Posts
August 13 2015 05:34 GMT
#327
Nothing good for Mind, unpowered buildings in the middle of production resume their work.
HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
August 13 2015 05:51 GMT
#328
Great series, beginning of the last game was CRAZY. Broodwar never fails to excite.
Long live BroodWar!
reminisce12
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia318 Posts
August 13 2015 05:58 GMT
#329
that one zealot that popped outta that proxy gate.. gamebreaker
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17741 Posts
August 13 2015 06:03 GMT
#330
On August 13 2015 14:18 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2015 07:09 LaStScan wrote:
I really wish mind sent 1~2 more scvs. He should've sensed it was 7 7 build. Mind has to delay his barracks timing, and he must make sure that he takes down the gateway.

Terran player sends 1 scv at 10/10 population (9th scv) to find proxy. If terran gets to see probe was coming + gateway is already 50%, then it must be 7 7 build. Mind's 6 scvs pull was perfect calculation to kill a gateway before the zealot comes out. Unfortunately, he did not prepare against 3 additional probes. :/

Wonder what would've happened if Mind had taken down the pylon instead... lots less hp/sp there than the gate...


I have wondered about the same thing but I have never seen a good terran ever attack the pylon. I always see them attack the gateway. I never personally tested it so I don't know the exact reasons why but just thinking about it, I think because pylons build so quickly if the protoss sees you attacking the pylon, he can just make another one and it'll probably finish when the first pylon is destroyed which means the gateway is still being powered.
ils
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[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-13 11:39:48
August 13 2015 06:25 GMT
#331
On August 13 2015 15:03 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2015 14:18 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On August 13 2015 07:09 LaStScan wrote:
I really wish mind sent 1~2 more scvs. He should've sensed it was 7 7 build. Mind has to delay his barracks timing, and he must make sure that he takes down the gateway.

Terran player sends 1 scv at 10/10 population (9th scv) to find proxy. If terran gets to see probe was coming + gateway is already 50%, then it must be 7 7 build. Mind's 6 scvs pull was perfect calculation to kill a gateway before the zealot comes out. Unfortunately, he did not prepare against 3 additional probes. :/

Wonder what would've happened if Mind had taken down the pylon instead... lots less hp/sp there than the gate...


I have wondered about the same thing but I have never seen a good terran ever attack the pylon. I always see them attack the gateway. I never personally tested it so I don't know the exact reasons why but just thinking about it, I think because pylons build so quickly if the protoss sees you attacking the pylon, he can just make another one and it'll probably finish when the first pylon is destroyed which means the gateway is still being powered.

Well then you could just have the SCVs destroy the next warping-in pylon, too... but I guess you don't want to be out there all day destroying pylons when you should be mining.

And at some point the proxying 'toss has the cash to have or start two or more proxy pylons at the same time... yah, you're right, makes sense that you go after the gate first.

Still seeing the match through 'why you not win, Mind' -vision.
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johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2241 Posts
August 13 2015 06:43 GMT
#332
I think this should have been finals, not sure if other series will deliver
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
August 13 2015 07:44 GMT
#333
Hero is probably practicing zvp like crazy now.
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deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
August 13 2015 08:24 GMT
#334
On August 13 2015 15:25 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2015 15:03 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
On August 13 2015 14:18 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On August 13 2015 07:09 LaStScan wrote:
I really wish mind sent 1~2 more scvs. He should've sensed it was 7 7 build. Mind has to delay his barracks timing, and he must make sure that he takes down the gateway.

Terran player sends 1 scv at 10/10 population (9th scv) to find proxy. If terran gets to see probe was coming + gateway is already 50%, then it must be 7 7 build. Mind's 6 scvs pull was perfect calculation to kill a gateway before the zealot comes out. Unfortunately, he did not prepare against 3 additional probes. :/

Wonder what would've happened if Mind had taken down the pylon instead... lots less hp/sp there than the gate...


I have wondered about the same thing but I have never seen a good terran ever attack the pylon. I always see them attack the gateway. I never personally tested it so I don't know the exact reasons why but just thinking about it, I think because pylons build so quickly if the protoss sees you attacking the pylon, he can just make another one and it'll probably finish when the first pylon is destroyed which means the gateway is still being powered.

Well then you could just have the SCVs destroy the next warping-in pylon, too... but I guess you don't want to be out there all day destroying pylons when you should be mining.

And at some point the proxying 'toss might have the cash to start two or more pylons at the same time... yeah, you're right, makes sense that you go after the gate first.

I think it also has to do with the surface area of the gateway compared to the pylon. It's easier for scvs to surround and hit the gateway than the small pylon, especially if you are microing against taking damage from probes.
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-13 08:44:14
August 13 2015 08:41 GMT
#335
On August 13 2015 07:07 endy wrote:
i loved the twitch chat when that zealot popped out of the gateway literally a fraction of a second before it was destroyed.

I immediately noticed my feed was a minute behind when twitch chat erupted into a chaotic frenzy of all-caps, one worded spams from dozens of people while Bisu and Mind were starting to mine haha.

Toss can just drop another pylon the moment they see the pylon getting attacked.

This series is so close that everything came down to milliseconds. Talk about a photo finish.
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GeLaar
Profile Joined January 2003
2421 Posts
August 13 2015 10:10 GMT
#336
On August 13 2015 13:58 prech wrote:
Some DES coverage:

Very cool, video interview this time
http://youtu.be/JIibsqILcuI


Rough translation of the DES interview.

Q: How do you feel about finally making it to the Starleague finals?
A: Since my progamer days it had been my dream to make it to a finals. [TN: Odd that they talk as if SSL9 wasn't a real Starleague and he's only now made it to a Starleague finals. I guess they mean televised ones.]

Q: You faced a difficult opponent in Mind.
A: Well, he beat me once in a finals, and I think also on another occasion when it mattered. But other than that, I defeated him a lot, so I was rather confident. Still, he is a rather scary opponent to face.

Q: You used Carriers a lot, and also used them well in combinations with other units.
A: These builds were not prepared for today. I was thinking I'll just see what my opponent does, and react. Back when I was a progamer, I really wasn't good at using Carriers. I didn't know how. But since I've been broadcasting on my stream, I've learned a few more things, got the hang of using them, and became more confident. So I used them today, and it went well in two games.

Q: Free or Hero?
A: They're both scary players. But I guess many people would prefer Hero to advance. And I will also prepare some interesting games.

Q: You lost a game to Hero in the Ro16.
A: I didn't really care about that. He lost more to me in the past, so I think it will be him trying to get revenge.

Q: A few words for the fans?
A: When I got on stage I was really shocked at how many people showed up. After all the support I've received from them, I really don't regret becoming a progamer. I can't express my gratitude other than through my games, so I will try to do just that.
Brood War is alive and well.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19345 Posts
August 13 2015 10:50 GMT
#337
On August 13 2015 19:10 GeLaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2015 13:58 prech wrote:
Some DES coverage:

Very cool, video interview this time
http://youtu.be/JIibsqILcuI


Rough translation of the DES interview.

Q: How do you feel about finally making it to the Starleague finals?
A: Since my progamer days it had been my dream to make it to a finals. [TN: Odd that they talk as if SSL9 wasn't a real Starleague and he's only now made it to a Starleague finals. I guess they mean televised ones.]

Q: You faced a difficult opponent in Mind.
A: Well, he beat me once in a finals, and I think also on another occasion when it mattered. But other than that, I defeated him a lot, so I was rather confident. Still, he is a rather scary opponent to face.

Q: You used Carriers a lot, and also used them well in combinations with other units.
A: These builds were not prepared for today. I was thinking I'll just see what my opponent does, and react. Back when I was a progamer, I really wasn't good at using Carriers. I didn't know how. But since I've been broadcasting on my stream, I've learned a few more things, got the hang of using them, and became more confident. So I used them today, and it went well in two games.

Q: Free or Hero?
A: They're both scary players. But I guess many people would prefer Hero to advance. And I will also prepare some interesting games.

Q: You lost a game to Hero in the Ro16.
A: I didn't really care about that. He lost more to me in the past, so I think it will be him trying to get revenge.

Q: A few words for the fans?
A: When I got on stage I was really shocked at how many people showed up. After all the support I've received from them, I really don't regret becoming a progamer. I can't express my gratitude other than through my games, so I will try to do just that.

Great answers. Bisu is such a cool guy
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 13 2015 12:44 GMT
#338
On August 13 2015 19:10 GeLaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2015 13:58 prech wrote:
Some DES coverage:

Very cool, video interview this time
http://youtu.be/JIibsqILcuI


Rough translation of the DES interview.

Q: How do you feel about finally making it to the Starleague finals?
A: Since my progamer days it had been my dream to make it to a finals. [TN: Odd that they talk as if SSL9 wasn't a real Starleague and he's only now made it to a Starleague finals. I guess they mean televised ones.]

Q: You faced a difficult opponent in Mind.
A: Well, he beat me once in a finals, and I think also on another occasion when it mattered. But other than that, I defeated him a lot, so I was rather confident. Still, he is a rather scary opponent to face.

Q: You used Carriers a lot, and also used them well in combinations with other units.
A: These builds were not prepared for today. I was thinking I'll just see what my opponent does, and react. Back when I was a progamer, I really wasn't good at using Carriers. I didn't know how. But since I've been broadcasting on my stream, I've learned a few more things, got the hang of using them, and became more confident. So I used them today, and it went well in two games.

Q: Free or Hero?
A: They're both scary players. But I guess many people would prefer Hero to advance. And I will also prepare some interesting games.

Q: You lost a game to Hero in the Ro16.
A: I didn't really care about that. He lost more to me in the past, so I think it will be him trying to get revenge.

Q: A few words for the fans?
A: When I got on stage I was really shocked at how many people showed up. After all the support I've received from them, I really don't regret becoming a progamer. I can't express my gratitude other than through my games, so I will try to do just that.

Thanks for the interview, very insightful
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GeLaar
Profile Joined January 2003
2421 Posts
August 13 2015 13:15 GMT
#339
You're welcome.
Brood War is alive and well.
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5616 Posts
August 13 2015 13:29 GMT
#340
Fantastic series!

Bisu <3
Protoss <3
Sayle <3
Mind
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