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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19302 Posts
February 06 2015 13:27 GMT
#161
Is the map order known yet?
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_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-06 21:07:22
February 06 2015 20:09 GMT
#162
In game 1 hiya shouldve won, with much more solid play he lead the game, he had the ballz to go deep in the enemy territory with wraiths wreaking havoc, however his aggressive style hurt him later in the game little by little, while sSak won the game playing the pussy terran.
Admirations for hiya's aggressive play, because in TvT being absolutelly patient leads to boredome.
Im up to watch the next two games.
Luv ya BroodWar!
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
February 06 2015 22:18 GMT
#163
damn what games there were, indeed if it was boxer he would have d-matrixed the ghost or used the medic to optic flare, sad that hiya didn't take a game.
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6805 Posts
February 06 2015 22:22 GMT
#164
On February 07 2015 05:09 _Animus_ wrote:
In game 1 hiya shouldve won, with much more solid play he lead the game, he had the ballz to go deep in the enemy territory with wraiths wreaking havoc, however his aggressive style hurt him later in the game little by little, while sSak won the game playing the pussy terran.
Admirations for hiya's aggressive play, because in TvT being absolutelly patient leads to boredome.
Im up to watch the next two games.

NO.game 1 just showed how bad is Hiya in the matchup,sSak was defensive when he needed to and agro in the right time,except one mistake of attacking hiya siege tanks with only gols his game was very very well done.in the other hand Hiya just waste and waste his army all the time.
_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-06 22:38:43
February 06 2015 22:23 GMT
#165
On February 07 2015 07:18 ne4aJIb wrote:
damn what games there were, indeed if it was boxer he would have d-matrixed the ghost or used the medic to optic flare, sad that hiya didn't take a game.

Yeah, man we dont see enough creativity like in the old days, its mostly because too many standarts are set and constant practice on certaing things just to be able to perform at high level hurts the creativity alot.
Thats why i find old vods very entertaining, u see lots of crazy stuff that worked back in the days.

Poor magicarp, he did well tho trying to play aggresive making the games more fun.
Luv ya BroodWar!
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
February 07 2015 15:41 GMT
#166
It's been a few days since I saw that game (set 1), but I had a different impression of how it went. Ssak got an important advantage early on with how much ground he was able to make, and Hiya struggled all game to get it back. The Hiya made a big play with mass wraiths and was able to stop ssak from mining one or two of his 6 gases. Meanwhile Hiya had taken one of the mineral onlies, which Ssak had elected to ignore, which made the wraith attack more significant than it otherwise would have been. Unfortunately Hiya wasn't able to actually solidify a position that would have cut off Ssak from the bottom right of the map, and Ssak managed to take his expos back and take advantage of what he'd done early on, which was denying the gas third of the top left position. Hiya wasn't able to properly secure that base, and he wasn't able to deny for long enough the gas advantage Ssak had, which is why Hiya ultimately ran out of steam before Ssak did. Hiya did some nice vulture raid plays that I wouldn't have expected so late in the game, and they gave him a really good fighting chance to finally take his unmined third, but Ssak just pushed better and took advantage of Hiya who wasn't able to dedicate enough forces to that area of the map.

TvT is a matchup where you can't enjoy it if you don't analyse the minimap. You can't just look at the wraith play and think that was the only thing that happened the whole game. TvT is like some weird combination of Go and American Football. It's a game of territory, it's a game of inches. Especially on this map where you're always fighting on a slope, Hiya giving that much ground to Ssak set him behind the whole game. Some of that is positional imbalance, Ssak had a shorter distance to deny Hiya's third, but a lot of it is just Hiya failing to get a foothold on the center and having to spend lots of units just barely defending the line to his expos in the top right.

I'm a little surprised we didn't see any heavy vulture strategies on this map, since the free mineral onlies would seem to encourage it, and the importance of presence in the center and tank pushing would seem to favour vulture plays. But I guess because the center is unbuildable, you have to emphasize taking and defending gas expos so that you can afford goliaths or wraiths to defend against air.

There seemed to be a lot of places in set1 and set2 where if Hiya had had an extra hand or something to play faster and manage more places at once and think about more things, he could have secured the game because he got into a pretty advantageous but difficult to manage position in both games more than once. I thought I could see the disappointment in his face when I saw it slip away from him. The set 2 play of just abandoning the south hill on peaks to make a super attack on the north was really a hilarious gambit though. It kinda worked out ? At least he didn't get caught with his pants down in the middle of it.
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