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Fazers
737 Posts
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regg
Russian Federation58 Posts
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DarkNetHunter
1224 Posts
On October 01 2013 03:51 regg wrote: Sero has skill more close to B, than to initial b-. I during lives shall not believe, that such skill it is possible to type for one season. I thought, that administrators are necessary what to correct mistakes, instead of for that what to them to indulge. Regg I'm not sure who you are, but I can only assume a zerg player because unless Sero has vastly improved he doesn't have 160 eapm in TvP or TvT. Unless you're B or higher ranked yourself I don't think you can make a judgment call on his skill level. I've played quite a few times with Sero and while he is an excellent player, I don't think he's above and beyond this league and certainly the competition. | ||
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Fazers
737 Posts
On October 01 2013 03:51 regg wrote: Sero has skill more close to B, than to initial b-. I during lives shall not believe, that such skill it is possible to type for one season. I thought, that administrators are necessary what to correct mistakes, instead of for that what to them to indulge. Lol. | ||
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Prodigy.MvP
Canada176 Posts
On October 01 2013 03:51 regg wrote: Sero has skill more close to B, than to initial b-. I during lives shall not believe, that such skill it is possible to type for one season. I thought, that administrators are necessary what to correct mistakes, instead of for that what to them to indulge. lol are you kidding? he's mass games to hit C+ and barely hit B-... | ||
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On October 01 2013 03:21 Fazers wrote: Although his max rank indicates C+ on ICCUP past seasons, ihufa has also hit a max rank of B- at one point multiple times under the name MarriahCarrier. I know some people here can back that statement up as well. I beaten him in a ZvT and he only C+ most likely can't maintain B- at all | ||
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Prodigy.MvP
Canada176 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:07 LightningStrike wrote: I beaten him in a ZvT and he only C+ most likely can't maintain B- at all well i went like 50-40 C rank and im even with sero and if stardom can beat him i doubt he is B rank | ||
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Fazers
737 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:07 LightningStrike wrote: I beaten him in a ZvT and he only C+ most likely can't maintain B- at all Ihufa is main zerg. What? | ||
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regg
Russian Federation58 Posts
On October 01 2013 04:22 DarkNetHunter wrote: Regg I'm not sure who you are, but I can only assume a zerg player because unless Sero has vastly improved he doesn't have 160 eapm in TvP or TvT. Unless you're B or higher ranked yourself I don't think you can make a judgment call on his skill level. In tvp he has 140 eapm. I asked B \B players who with him played as they estimate it skill in TVP, they have told, what not below B - \B. When my friend play with him, sero has stats about 30-5 (b-)!!!. When I played with it ZvT, (it is a lot of games), on game I understood, that I have no with it chances in macro to game though in the last season I have taken b-(6004 pts). I do not understand, why admins so furiously defend this player, when all the facts on the person. | ||
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Prodigy.MvP
Canada176 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:45 regg wrote: In tvp he has 140 eapm. I asked B \B players who with him played as they estimate it skill in TVP, they have told, what not below B - \B. When my friend play with him, sero has stats about 30-5 (b-)!!!. When I played with it ZvT, (it is a lot of games), on game I understood, that I have no with it chances in macro to game though in the last season I have taken b-(6004 pts). I do not understand, why admins so furiously defend this player, when all the facts on the person. ye he's so good he cant beat a 50-40 toss (C) | ||
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Jealous
10344 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10785 Posts
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radley
Poland582 Posts
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SnowFantasy
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
On October 01 2013 13:50 SnowFantasy wrote: Is it too late to join a team for this? Not at all. Post your ID, race and max rank. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:45 regg wrote: In tvp he has 140 eapm. I asked B \B players who with him played as they estimate it skill in TVP, they have told, what not below B - \B. When my friend play with him, sero has stats about 30-5 (b-)!!!. When I played with it ZvT, (it is a lot of games), on game I understood, that I have no with it chances in macro to game though in the last season I have taken b-(6004 pts). I do not understand, why admins so furiously defend this player, when all the facts on the person. I have 130-160 eapm and I am C- on a good day. Rlentless has 200 eapm and is C- on a good day. APM or EAPM borderlines on irrelevancy when discussing skill. Why even mention it? sero has stats about 30-5 (b-)!!! Clearly bullshit. 30-5 would barely get you to C+ IF you played motw. I do not understand, why admins so furiously defend this player, when all the facts on the person. You have yet to list a single fact. All you have done is say some stuff about sero having good stats (mostly meaningless, as quality of opponent can vary tremendously), sero having ok eapm (completely irrelevant), and sero beating you alot. "Sero beats me alot" may be true, but it isn't a "fact"in explaining that he is B-. An argument against a player because "he has good stats to C rank" and "he beats me alot" is indeed a very shaky argument. | ||
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castleeMg
Canada786 Posts
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regg
Russian Federation58 Posts
Clearly bullshit. 30-5 would barely get you to C+ IF you played motw. 1)He can transfer stats 2)He can win tourney 3)... You have yet to list a single fact. All you have done is say some stuff about sero having good stats (mostly meaningless, as quality of opponent can vary tremendously), sero having ok eapm (completely irrelevant), and sero beating you alot. "Sero beats me alot" may be true, but it isn't a "fact"in explaining that he is B-. An argument against a player because "he has good stats to C rank" and "he beats me alot" is indeed a very shaky argument. Facts: 1)he has b- on 2 akks and stoped play when he get this rank. Why??? 2)seroqt --> 40-10 C+ 80% winrate, defeated many strong B- ++ players such as koreans from Boss team sgs.sero --> 63-21 B- 75% winrate sb.sero --> 80-57 C+ 58% winrate Sero_ 42-7 C+ 86% winrate sero- 50-22 C+ 69% winrate serolol b- 83-48, 63% winrate 3)b\b+ player who play with him bo3 TvP (Sero's baddest mu), says that his skill about b-\b. what about TvZ ??? 4)He removed all videos from his channel. WHY ???? I think we can know more from his broadcasts. 5)I am strong c+ player (TvZ my best), last season taken b-, I do not see any chance with him in the macro game. it's a free win for him. I thought that I have the upper threshold for getting into this league was very upset that I could not play it, so I took the b-... 6)Eamp 7)I am not alone, there are players which think as Really it is not enough of it ??? I do not know what guided the admins when taking these players in the league. Obviously, the level is higher than with a good С+ player. If you look only at the stats at iccup, it is no good will not. I personally know a player B-\ B level, which stops typing B-, because he just too lazy to strain. According to the rules it is easy to pass on this league, but whether it's fun to play with him other players? There is such sensation that is SERO has many friends on TL... I believe that the admission of such players as Sero kill any spirit of competition and the incentive to win. ps IMHO Better to deny a weaker player than to approve a stronger player. | ||
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
On October 01 2013 15:33 regg wrote: 1)He can transfer stats 2)He can win tourney 3)... Facts: 1)he has b- on 2 akks and stoped play when he get this rank. Why??? 2)seroqt --> 40-10 C+ 80% winrate, defeated many strong B- ++ players such as koreans from Boss team sgs.sero --> 63-21 B- 75% winrate sb.sero --> 80-57 C+ 58% winrate Sero_ 42-7 C+ 86% winrate sero- 50-22 C+ 69% winrate serolol b- 83-48, 63% winrate 3)b\b+ player who play with him bo3 TvP (Sero's baddest mu), says that his skill about b-\b. what about TvZ ??? 4)He removed all videos from his channel. WHY ???? I think we can know more from his broadcasts. 5)I am strong c+ player (TvZ my best), last season taken b-, I do not see any chance with him in the macro game. it's a free win for him. I thought that I have the upper threshold for getting into this league was very upset that I could not play it, so I took the b-... 6)Eamp 7)I am not alone, there are players which think as Really it is not enough of it ??? I do not know what guided the admins when taking these players in the league. Obviously, the level is higher than with a good С+ player. If you look only at the stats at iccup, it is no good will not. I personally know a player B-\ B level, which stops typing B-, because he just too lazy to strain. According to the rules it is easy to pass on this league, but whether it's fun to play with him other players? There is such sensation that is SERO has many friends on TL... I believe that the admission of such players as Sero kill any spirit of competition and the incentive to win. ps IMHO Better to deny a weaker player than to approve a stronger player. Even if you transfer stats, it'll still show your record. It won't simply just change your rank to C+ at 0-0. If he won a tourney, wouldn't that simply disprove your point about reaching B- multiple times? Lmaster's points about not reaching B- through 30-5 are valid, whereas you are simply just trying to prove him wrong despite going out of context. Your supposed "facts"? 1) Players tend to stop playing after they reach a certain rank just to keep that rank and not risk losing and lose their rank. Things like that range all the way from A-rank to D-rank. 2) Facts, but hardly anything people didn't know. 3) That's an opinion. It's simply someone's input, which makes it an opinion. As for his skill level, I'm pretty sure we're all one to choose for ourselves, and we think he's eligible to play, at least for the time being. 4) If I played in an extremely competitive league, I wouldn't want people looking off of my videos to see how I play and make strategies around me, especially in a league where the skill gap isn't exactly huge. 5) You not being able to beat him does not make him B-rank. I guess since Lmaster's beaten Bakuryu, he's A-rank? Player A > Player B > Player C doesn't make Player A > Player C. 6) I'm assuming you're referring to EAPM, which again, makes no valid argument. Me, a maximum C- player has reached 170 EAPM in a 30+ minute game. As it has been debated before, APM/EAPM does not correlate with skill. 7) Where are the other players that think so and why haven't they spoken out? Would you like us to set up a poll to see whether players would mind Sero playing or not? Sero has many friends on Teamliquid? I didn't even know Sero had friends... Regardless, I'm pretty sure we've stated before that he was C+ when he signed up and it was pointless to kick him out in the middle of the season just for reaching B-. I haven't heard from any of the players about motivation to win going downhill just because of Sero. If that's how YOU feel, I'm sorry, but in trying to make YOU feel better, I can't kick out another and deprive him of playing. When did we not allow anyone "weaker" to play? We have a ceiling, but we have no limit in terms of ground. Anyone from E to C+ can play, and we've yet to deny anyone in those actual range. Again, I haven't heard anything that's a valid reason as to why he shouldn't play, other than you claiming that other people said he was good, he has high EAPM, and his multiple accounts of C+/B-. We've said it before, he won't be playing after this season. If he proves to be absolutely unstoppable in CRTL and goes on a massive rampage in going undefeated every single week, then we'll make a decision halfway through the season, but unless that happens, he's playing in CRTL2. | ||
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