On July 30 2013 23:20 Sentenal wrote: Uhhh, Wala and Panda not getting in has nothing to do with it. Its pretty obvious what our complaint was, but if a CRTL cheater wants to think we are "dodging", more power to him.
Maybe I'm being a little daft, but unless the complaint is that there are alot of people that can hit C- playing in this league I'm missing your point. Obviously given my second and third posts in this topic it should be pretty clear what my position on C- players is. However, if I made anybody that has ever hit C- ineligible there goes half the players and we don't have a league at all. If it is specifically a complaint against TAKK, it's not without warrant and there is a reason why players like myself are considering not playing in S5.I do think it's worth nothing however that past DRTL precedent has been to allow in players from previous seasons that have hit C- but have not reached the skill to maintain said rank. This is the case for TAKK.
We aren't pulling out because Wala and Panda aren't getting in. This has nothing to do with anything regarding C- players. At all. I was responding to Babo, who was saying that was the reason. Our complaint is about the sB situation.
On July 30 2013 23:20 Sentenal wrote: Uhhh, Wala and Panda not getting in has nothing to do with it. Its pretty obvious what our complaint was, but if a CRTL cheater wants to think we are "dodging", more power to him.
Maybe I'm being a little daft, but unless the complaint is that there are alot of people that can hit C- playing in this league I'm missing your point. Obviously given my second and third posts in this topic it should be pretty clear what my position on C- players is. However, if I made anybody that has ever hit C- ineligible there goes half the players and we don't have a league at all. If it is specifically a complaint against TAKK, it's not without warrant and there is a reason why players like myself are considering not playing in S5.I do think it's worth nothing however that past DRTL precedent has been to allow in players from previous seasons that have hit C- but have not reached the skill to maintain said rank. This is the case for TAKK.
We aren't pulling out because Wala and Panda aren't getting in. This has nothing to do with anything regarding C- players. At all. I was responding to Babo, who was saying that was the reason. Our complaint is about the sB situation.
Stop being butthurt for 1 minute and listen.Arca/Me are going to captain the other team seperatly without birdie's guidance/commands/help. Jesus Christ,i'd have an easier time winning an argument against a brick wall than winning it against you.
On July 30 2013 23:20 Sentenal wrote: Uhhh, Wala and Panda not getting in has nothing to do with it. Its pretty obvious what our complaint was, but if a CRTL cheater wants to think we are "dodging", more power to him.
Maybe I'm being a little daft, but unless the complaint is that there are alot of people that can hit C- playing in this league I'm missing your point. Obviously given my second and third posts in this topic it should be pretty clear what my position on C- players is. However, if I made anybody that has ever hit C- ineligible there goes half the players and we don't have a league at all. If it is specifically a complaint against TAKK, it's not without warrant and there is a reason why players like myself are considering not playing in S5.I do think it's worth nothing however that past DRTL precedent has been to allow in players from previous seasons that have hit C- but have not reached the skill to maintain said rank. This is the case for TAKK.
We aren't pulling out because Wala and Panda aren't getting in. This has nothing to do with anything regarding C- players. At all. I was responding to Babo, who was saying that was the reason. Our complaint is about the sB situation.
Ah okay.
I really wish I could do something that would work for both teams, but what you seem to be saying is something I can't go with.
sB is too big for all their players to get adequate playtime, so a few sB guys want to go and start a new team with themselves and free agents. Saying they can't do this is literally saying that no, once you have joined a DRTL team, even if it gets to big you have to stay there. Can't go and start your own new team. I couldn't disagree more.
If we had an issue of two sB teams being run by the same person, or god forbid an intertwined roster, yes that's an absolute, hard no way in hell. This is an issue of the marine and arca wanting to start their own team so they can get more playing time. Maybe we just disagree but in my mind it's totally crazy for me to say "No, you can't do this because you have already been on sB. Sorry" because the logic their is you have already been one DRTL team, and therefore you cannot start another. There is no reason I can think of to dis-allow this. If your not satisfied with your team players should absolutely by allowed to join another or start their own new team.
Why not just not call it sB lol. Do not understand.
Anyways, I was only poking at Courage because it would definitely be for the betterment of the league if some of the strongest players of the league are distributed a little more evenly amongst the teams. Proleague would never have been entertaining or fair if you had Bisu, Stork, Flash, Jaedong, and Fantasy appearing every week for SKT.
I think that the best course would be for each existing team to pick up whatever players of Courage are still willing to participate in draft format.
On July 30 2013 23:20 Sentenal wrote: Uhhh, Wala and Panda not getting in has nothing to do with it. Its pretty obvious what our complaint was, but if a CRTL cheater wants to think we are "dodging", more power to him.
Maybe I'm being a little daft, but unless the complaint is that there are alot of people that can hit C- playing in this league I'm missing your point. Obviously given my second and third posts in this topic it should be pretty clear what my position on C- players is. However, if I made anybody that has ever hit C- ineligible there goes half the players and we don't have a league at all. If it is specifically a complaint against TAKK, it's not without warrant and there is a reason why players like myself are considering not playing in S5.I do think it's worth nothing however that past DRTL precedent has been to allow in players from previous seasons that have hit C- but have not reached the skill to maintain said rank. This is the case for TAKK.
We aren't pulling out because Wala and Panda aren't getting in. This has nothing to do with anything regarding C- players. At all. I was responding to Babo, who was saying that was the reason. Our complaint is about the sB situation.
Ah okay.
I really wish I could do something that would work for both teams, but what you seem to be saying is something I can't go with.
sB is too big for all their players to get adequate playtime, so a few sB guys want to go and start a new team with themselves and free agents. Saying they can't do this is literally saying that no, once you have joined a DRTL team, even if it gets to big you have to stay there. Can't go and start your own new team. I couldn't disagree more.
If we had an issue of two sB teams being run by the same person, or god forbid an intertwined roster, yes that's an absolute, hard no way in hell. This is an issue of the marine and arca wanting to start their own team so they can get more playing time. Maybe we just disagree but in my mind it's totally crazy for me to say "No, you can't do this because you have already been on sB. Sorry" because the logic their is you have already been one DRTL team, and therefore you cannot start another. There is no reason I can think of to dis-allow this. If your not satisfied with your team players should absolutely by allowed to join another or start their own new team.
We obviously see the situation completely differently. This was basically Birdie wanting to run 2 teams, followed by a group brainstorm to do just that, but call it something else. Anyway, i'm done arguing about it. I think its a shame this league is allowing that to happen, but no one will change their minds, so whatever.
On July 30 2013 23:20 Sentenal wrote: Uhhh, Wala and Panda not getting in has nothing to do with it. Its pretty obvious what our complaint was, but if a CRTL cheater wants to think we are "dodging", more power to him.
Maybe I'm being a little daft, but unless the complaint is that there are alot of people that can hit C- playing in this league I'm missing your point. Obviously given my second and third posts in this topic it should be pretty clear what my position on C- players is. However, if I made anybody that has ever hit C- ineligible there goes half the players and we don't have a league at all. If it is specifically a complaint against TAKK, it's not without warrant and there is a reason why players like myself are considering not playing in S5.I do think it's worth nothing however that past DRTL precedent has been to allow in players from previous seasons that have hit C- but have not reached the skill to maintain said rank. This is the case for TAKK.
We aren't pulling out because Wala and Panda aren't getting in. This has nothing to do with anything regarding C- players. At all. I was responding to Babo, who was saying that was the reason. Our complaint is about the sB situation.
Ah okay.
I really wish I could do something that would work for both teams, but what you seem to be saying is something I can't go with.
sB is too big for all their players to get adequate playtime, so a few sB guys want to go and start a new team with themselves and free agents. Saying they can't do this is literally saying that no, once you have joined a DRTL team, even if it gets to big you have to stay there. Can't go and start your own new team. I couldn't disagree more.
If we had an issue of two sB teams being run by the same person, or god forbid an intertwined roster, yes that's an absolute, hard no way in hell. This is an issue of the marine and arca wanting to start their own team so they can get more playing time. Maybe we just disagree but in my mind it's totally crazy for me to say "No, you can't do this because you have already been on sB. Sorry" because the logic their is you have already been one DRTL team, and therefore you cannot start another. There is no reason I can think of to dis-allow this. If your not satisfied with your team players should absolutely by allowed to join another or start their own new team.
We obviously see the situation completely differently. This was basically Birdie wanting to run 2 teams, followed by a group brainstorm to do just that, but call it something else. Anyway, i'm done arguing about it. I think its a shame this league is allowing that to happen, but no one will change their minds, so whatever.
You really believe that once a player joins a DRTL team they should be stuck there for all eternity? If so, I guess we just disagree.
EDIT: Arca and Marine have both stated to me that they want to run their own team, and I believe said it in thread. I'm not in the habit off assuming that people that have never given me a reason to doubt them are liars, and that is why I have no qualms at all with the situation.
On July 30 2013 23:20 Sentenal wrote: Uhhh, Wala and Panda not getting in has nothing to do with it. Its pretty obvious what our complaint was, but if a CRTL cheater wants to think we are "dodging", more power to him.
Maybe I'm being a little daft, but unless the complaint is that there are alot of people that can hit C- playing in this league I'm missing your point. Obviously given my second and third posts in this topic it should be pretty clear what my position on C- players is. However, if I made anybody that has ever hit C- ineligible there goes half the players and we don't have a league at all. If it is specifically a complaint against TAKK, it's not without warrant and there is a reason why players like myself are considering not playing in S5.I do think it's worth nothing however that past DRTL precedent has been to allow in players from previous seasons that have hit C- but have not reached the skill to maintain said rank. This is the case for TAKK.
We aren't pulling out because Wala and Panda aren't getting in. This has nothing to do with anything regarding C- players. At all. I was responding to Babo, who was saying that was the reason. Our complaint is about the sB situation.
Ah okay.
I really wish I could do something that would work for both teams, but what you seem to be saying is something I can't go with.
sB is too big for all their players to get adequate playtime, so a few sB guys want to go and start a new team with themselves and free agents. Saying they can't do this is literally saying that no, once you have joined a DRTL team, even if it gets to big you have to stay there. Can't go and start your own new team. I couldn't disagree more.
If we had an issue of two sB teams being run by the same person, or god forbid an intertwined roster, yes that's an absolute, hard no way in hell. This is an issue of the marine and arca wanting to start their own team so they can get more playing time. Maybe we just disagree but in my mind it's totally crazy for me to say "No, you can't do this because you have already been on sB. Sorry" because the logic their is you have already been one DRTL team, and therefore you cannot start another. There is no reason I can think of to dis-allow this. If your not satisfied with your team players should absolutely by allowed to join another or start their own new team.
We obviously see the situation completely differently. This was basically Birdie wanting to run 2 teams, followed by a group brainstorm to do just that, but call it something else. Anyway, i'm done arguing about it. I think its a shame this league is allowing that to happen, but no one will change their minds, so whatever.
You really believe that once a player joins a DRTL team they should be stuck there for all eternity? If so, I guess we just disagree.
EDIT: Arca and Marine have both stated to me that they want to run their own team, and I believe said it in thread. I'm not in the habit off assuming that people that have never given me a reason to doubt them are liars, and that is why I have no qualms at all with the situation.
he hasn't expressed a view on that, he just thinks that birdie is behind it all and that anything else is birdie telling arca/marine to pretend to leave the team so he can control the new team
I don' t agree either with the decisions that have been made. However i do trust both Arca and Themarine as stand-up people. Sometimes, sometimes there is the execption that confirms the rules. The best thing to do is move on, and ask yourself what you can do to make this league better...
On July 30 2013 23:20 Sentenal wrote: Uhhh, Wala and Panda not getting in has nothing to do with it. Its pretty obvious what our complaint was, but if a CRTL cheater wants to think we are "dodging", more power to him.
Maybe I'm being a little daft, but unless the complaint is that there are alot of people that can hit C- playing in this league I'm missing your point. Obviously given my second and third posts in this topic it should be pretty clear what my position on C- players is. However, if I made anybody that has ever hit C- ineligible there goes half the players and we don't have a league at all. If it is specifically a complaint against TAKK, it's not without warrant and there is a reason why players like myself are considering not playing in S5.I do think it's worth nothing however that past DRTL precedent has been to allow in players from previous seasons that have hit C- but have not reached the skill to maintain said rank. This is the case for TAKK.
We aren't pulling out because Wala and Panda aren't getting in. This has nothing to do with anything regarding C- players. At all. I was responding to Babo, who was saying that was the reason. Our complaint is about the sB situation.
Ah okay.
I really wish I could do something that would work for both teams, but what you seem to be saying is something I can't go with.
sB is too big for all their players to get adequate playtime, so a few sB guys want to go and start a new team with themselves and free agents. Saying they can't do this is literally saying that no, once you have joined a DRTL team, even if it gets to big you have to stay there. Can't go and start your own new team. I couldn't disagree more.
If we had an issue of two sB teams being run by the same person, or god forbid an intertwined roster, yes that's an absolute, hard no way in hell. This is an issue of the marine and arca wanting to start their own team so they can get more playing time. Maybe we just disagree but in my mind it's totally crazy for me to say "No, you can't do this because you have already been on sB. Sorry" because the logic their is you have already been one DRTL team, and therefore you cannot start another. There is no reason I can think of to dis-allow this. If your not satisfied with your team players should absolutely by allowed to join another or start their own new team.
We obviously see the situation completely differently. This was basically Birdie wanting to run 2 teams, followed by a group brainstorm to do just that, but call it something else. Anyway, i'm done arguing about it. I think its a shame this league is allowing that to happen, but no one will change their minds, so whatever.
You really believe that once a player joins a DRTL team they should be stuck there for all eternity? If so, I guess we just disagree.
EDIT: Arca and Marine have both stated to me that they want to run their own team, and I believe said it in thread. I'm not in the habit off assuming that people that have never given me a reason to doubt them are liars, and that is why I have no qualms at all with the situation.
he hasn't expressed a view on that, he just thinks that birdie is behind it all and that anything else is birdie telling arca/marine to pretend to leave the team so he can control the new team
That's some conspiracy theory going there :O I am behind the team split, but I won't be behind arca and themarine. And given that both myself and them are pretty competitive, I think you'll find they want to win really badly
On July 30 2013 23:20 Sentenal wrote: Uhhh, Wala and Panda not getting in has nothing to do with it. Its pretty obvious what our complaint was, but if a CRTL cheater wants to think we are "dodging", more power to him.
Maybe I'm being a little daft, but unless the complaint is that there are alot of people that can hit C- playing in this league I'm missing your point. Obviously given my second and third posts in this topic it should be pretty clear what my position on C- players is. However, if I made anybody that has ever hit C- ineligible there goes half the players and we don't have a league at all. If it is specifically a complaint against TAKK, it's not without warrant and there is a reason why players like myself are considering not playing in S5.I do think it's worth nothing however that past DRTL precedent has been to allow in players from previous seasons that have hit C- but have not reached the skill to maintain said rank. This is the case for TAKK.
We aren't pulling out because Wala and Panda aren't getting in. This has nothing to do with anything regarding C- players. At all. I was responding to Babo, who was saying that was the reason. Our complaint is about the sB situation.
Ah okay.
I really wish I could do something that would work for both teams, but what you seem to be saying is something I can't go with.
sB is too big for all their players to get adequate playtime, so a few sB guys want to go and start a new team with themselves and free agents. Saying they can't do this is literally saying that no, once you have joined a DRTL team, even if it gets to big you have to stay there. Can't go and start your own new team. I couldn't disagree more.
If we had an issue of two sB teams being run by the same person, or god forbid an intertwined roster, yes that's an absolute, hard no way in hell. This is an issue of the marine and arca wanting to start their own team so they can get more playing time. Maybe we just disagree but in my mind it's totally crazy for me to say "No, you can't do this because you have already been on sB. Sorry" because the logic their is you have already been one DRTL team, and therefore you cannot start another. There is no reason I can think of to dis-allow this. If your not satisfied with your team players should absolutely by allowed to join another or start their own new team.
We obviously see the situation completely differently. This was basically Birdie wanting to run 2 teams, followed by a group brainstorm to do just that, but call it something else. Anyway, i'm done arguing about it. I think its a shame this league is allowing that to happen, but no one will change their minds, so whatever.
You really believe that once a player joins a DRTL team they should be stuck there for all eternity? If so, I guess we just disagree.
EDIT: Arca and Marine have both stated to me that they want to run their own team, and I believe said it in thread. I'm not in the habit off assuming that people that have never given me a reason to doubt them are liars, and that is why I have no qualms at all with the situation.
he hasn't expressed a view on that, he just thinks that birdie is behind it all and that anything else is birdie telling arca/marine to pretend to leave the team so he can control the new team
That's some conspiracy theory going there :O I am behind the team split, but I won't be behind arca and themarine. And given that both myself and them are pretty competitive, I think you'll find they want to win really badly
On July 30 2013 23:20 Sentenal wrote: Uhhh, Wala and Panda not getting in has nothing to do with it. Its pretty obvious what our complaint was, but if a CRTL cheater wants to think we are "dodging", more power to him.
Maybe I'm being a little daft, but unless the complaint is that there are alot of people that can hit C- playing in this league I'm missing your point. Obviously given my second and third posts in this topic it should be pretty clear what my position on C- players is. However, if I made anybody that has ever hit C- ineligible there goes half the players and we don't have a league at all. If it is specifically a complaint against TAKK, it's not without warrant and there is a reason why players like myself are considering not playing in S5.I do think it's worth nothing however that past DRTL precedent has been to allow in players from previous seasons that have hit C- but have not reached the skill to maintain said rank. This is the case for TAKK.
We aren't pulling out because Wala and Panda aren't getting in. This has nothing to do with anything regarding C- players. At all. I was responding to Babo, who was saying that was the reason. Our complaint is about the sB situation.
Ah okay.
I really wish I could do something that would work for both teams, but what you seem to be saying is something I can't go with.
sB is too big for all their players to get adequate playtime, so a few sB guys want to go and start a new team with themselves and free agents. Saying they can't do this is literally saying that no, once you have joined a DRTL team, even if it gets to big you have to stay there. Can't go and start your own new team. I couldn't disagree more.
If we had an issue of two sB teams being run by the same person, or god forbid an intertwined roster, yes that's an absolute, hard no way in hell. This is an issue of the marine and arca wanting to start their own team so they can get more playing time. Maybe we just disagree but in my mind it's totally crazy for me to say "No, you can't do this because you have already been on sB. Sorry" because the logic their is you have already been one DRTL team, and therefore you cannot start another. There is no reason I can think of to dis-allow this. If your not satisfied with your team players should absolutely by allowed to join another or start their own new team.
We obviously see the situation completely differently. This was basically Birdie wanting to run 2 teams, followed by a group brainstorm to do just that, but call it something else. Anyway, i'm done arguing about it. I think its a shame this league is allowing that to happen, but no one will change their minds, so whatever.
You really believe that once a player joins a DRTL team they should be stuck there for all eternity? If so, I guess we just disagree.
EDIT: Arca and Marine have both stated to me that they want to run their own team, and I believe said it in thread. I'm not in the habit off assuming that people that have never given me a reason to doubt them are liars, and that is why I have no qualms at all with the situation.
he hasn't expressed a view on that, he just thinks that birdie is behind it all and that anything else is birdie telling arca/marine to pretend to leave the team so he can control the new team
That's some conspiracy theory going there :O I am behind the team split, but I won't be behind arca and themarine. And given that both myself and them are pretty competitive, I think you'll find they want to win really badly
On July 30 2013 23:20 Sentenal wrote: Uhhh, Wala and Panda not getting in has nothing to do with it. Its pretty obvious what our complaint was, but if a CRTL cheater wants to think we are "dodging", more power to him.
Maybe I'm being a little daft, but unless the complaint is that there are alot of people that can hit C- playing in this league I'm missing your point. Obviously given my second and third posts in this topic it should be pretty clear what my position on C- players is. However, if I made anybody that has ever hit C- ineligible there goes half the players and we don't have a league at all. If it is specifically a complaint against TAKK, it's not without warrant and there is a reason why players like myself are considering not playing in S5.I do think it's worth nothing however that past DRTL precedent has been to allow in players from previous seasons that have hit C- but have not reached the skill to maintain said rank. This is the case for TAKK.
We aren't pulling out because Wala and Panda aren't getting in. This has nothing to do with anything regarding C- players. At all. I was responding to Babo, who was saying that was the reason. Our complaint is about the sB situation.
Ah okay.
I really wish I could do something that would work for both teams, but what you seem to be saying is something I can't go with.
sB is too big for all their players to get adequate playtime, so a few sB guys want to go and start a new team with themselves and free agents. Saying they can't do this is literally saying that no, once you have joined a DRTL team, even if it gets to big you have to stay there. Can't go and start your own new team. I couldn't disagree more.
If we had an issue of two sB teams being run by the same person, or god forbid an intertwined roster, yes that's an absolute, hard no way in hell. This is an issue of the marine and arca wanting to start their own team so they can get more playing time. Maybe we just disagree but in my mind it's totally crazy for me to say "No, you can't do this because you have already been on sB. Sorry" because the logic their is you have already been one DRTL team, and therefore you cannot start another. There is no reason I can think of to dis-allow this. If your not satisfied with your team players should absolutely by allowed to join another or start their own new team.
We obviously see the situation completely differently. This was basically Birdie wanting to run 2 teams, followed by a group brainstorm to do just that, but call it something else. Anyway, i'm done arguing about it. I think its a shame this league is allowing that to happen, but no one will change their minds, so whatever.
You really believe that once a player joins a DRTL team they should be stuck there for all eternity? If so, I guess we just disagree.
EDIT: Arca and Marine have both stated to me that they want to run their own team, and I believe said it in thread. I'm not in the habit off assuming that people that have never given me a reason to doubt them are liars, and that is why I have no qualms at all with the situation.
The problem is it was first brought up as "we have too many people, can we run 2 teams?" I think the response would be different if the first post was "some players decided to leave and make their own team." What is being planned has moved from the former to the latter but it feels like that's only for the sake of argument as the intent and reasoning has slowly changed to something more acceptable.
Also this has nothing to do with trust (or lack thereof) of Birdie or any of the sB players. It's a matter of setting a precedent, and some of us do not believe a league should allow this. Therefore, arguments about specific people being trustworthy aren't relevant to what we're trying to get at, and no one is questioning the integrity of any one.
Actually Kaze, it was first brought up as "I want to run two teams", which then turned into "Okay, how about I 'appoint' a captain for the other sB team", and then extra reasons/motivations started to be tacted on/fabricated as opposition surfaced. Eventually this led to Birdie thinking it was a good idea to get on our IRC for the purpose of mocking and taunting me over this.
On July 31 2013 08:56 Sentenal wrote: Actually Kaze, it was first brought up as "I want to run two teams", which then turned into "Okay, how about I 'appoint' a captain for the other sB team", and then extra reasons/motivations started to be tacted on/fabricated as opposition surfaced. Eventually this led to Birdie thinking it was a good idea to get on our IRC for the purpose of mocking and taunting me over this.
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