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[Spoilers] Shinhan Bank OSL Semis Rd 2 Discussion - Page 4

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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
February 06 2006 13:37 GMT
#61
ManaBlue I wouldn't put mines in my mineral line for anything, in fact in pvt, the most dangerous part of vulture drops is the mines they lay in your probes. why would i want to inflict that on myself?

DTDominion, yeah its his weakest matchup, but he's still good enough at it to win consistantly. And yeah, GF is really fucking good, period.
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
February 06 2006 16:27 GMT
#62
gf is above all really fucking boring
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 06 2006 17:00 GMT
#63
On February 07 2006 01:27 Carnac wrote:
gf is above all really fucking boring
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
February 07 2006 01:08 GMT
#64
On February 06 2006 22:37 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
ManaBlue I wouldn't put mines in my mineral line for anything, in fact in pvt, the most dangerous part of vulture drops is the mines they lay in your probes. why would i want to inflict that on myself?

DTDominion, yeah its his weakest matchup, but he's still good enough at it to win consistantly. And yeah, GF is really fucking good, period.


Yeah, see that was the logic I was using. The fear of DTs is the SCV loss, so why make it easier. I'm trying to understand the point that other guy was trying to make, but it seriously seems like bullshit to me.

On February 07 2006 01:27 Carnac wrote:
gf is above all really fucking boring


No more or less than any of the other faceless terrans. Other than lacking crazy TvP (but he's more rounded in the other 2 matches) I see no difference between him, Casy, Midas, Sea, Cloud, just about every Terran except for the legends.

I don't think the problem is GF, I think the problem is mediocre Terrans.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
February 07 2006 02:35 GMT
#65
as long as there isnt a tvt final (thank god for july) i'm happy
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[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4653 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-02-07 03:26:11
February 07 2006 03:24 GMT
#66
Does it seem strange to anyone else that Midas didn't scout until very late when he had 2 factory + 3 marines? He didn't even scout the mains with his scouting SCV!

It looked like he was cheating somehow.
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ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
February 07 2006 06:36 GMT
#67
On February 07 2006 10:08 ManaBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2006 01:27 Carnac wrote:
gf is above all really fucking boring


No more or less than any of the other faceless terrans. Other than lacking crazy TvP (but he's more rounded in the other 2 matches) I see no difference between him, Casy, Midas, Sea, Cloud, just about every Terran except for the legends.

I don't think the problem is GF, I think the problem is mediocre Terrans.


Thats weird, because I also think GF is boring, but the other terrans you mentioned are all cool to watch:

Casy - Crazy micro, different play style, original ideas.
Midas - A bit boring, but very entertaining and unusual TvP, also always impressive to see him manage impossibly large armies.
Sea - won't comment.
Cloud - The lovely "giant killer", who always manages to edge out wins versus player he should have no chance agains.
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mcmascote
Profile Joined September 2004
Brazil1575 Posts
February 08 2006 19:48 GMT
#68
On February 05 2006 23:58 tfeign wrote:
I know what I'm talking about.


July will rape midas so hard ;p

But I hope you're right cause i'm midas 'fan'
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
February 09 2006 00:17 GMT
#69
On February 07 2006 15:36 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2006 10:08 ManaBlue wrote:
On February 07 2006 01:27 Carnac wrote:
gf is above all really fucking boring


No more or less than any of the other faceless terrans. Other than lacking crazy TvP (but he's more rounded in the other 2 matches) I see no difference between him, Casy, Midas, Sea, Cloud, just about every Terran except for the legends.

I don't think the problem is GF, I think the problem is mediocre Terrans.


Thats weird, because I also think GF is boring, but the other terrans you mentioned are all cool to watch:

Casy - Crazy micro, different play style, original ideas.
Midas - A bit boring, but very entertaining and unusual TvP, also always impressive to see him manage impossibly large armies.
Sea - won't comment.
Cloud - The lovely "giant killer", who always manages to edge out wins versus player he should have no chance agains.


But see, that's what I'm talking about TKWL! You say Cloud is a giant killer, and he is, but there is nothing spectacular about his games other than the fact that he is an underdog going in. The games usually suck and are very goodfriendish in that way.

Casy usually plays like shit, this OSL is an anomaly in his career. He may have potential now, but I've seen nothing of note from him on TV, micro or otherwise. I guess that's just a matter of opinon, but the fact that he is just recently becoming relavent in progaming is undenyable.

Good thing you didn't comment on Sea. We haven't seen enough of him yet anyway, but he just plays standard conventional T anyways.

Midas, like Oov, is only entertaining because he's so effective. Seeing him TvZ is shameful IMO.

As for all the other mediocre players, like Sync and silent control and the rest, to me they're all the same. I think GF gets a bad rap because he always does better than the rest, but has very little impact in these very important matches he seems to always be a part of. His OSL final vs July was probably the least climactic final series I've ever seen.

I really don't think there is a difference, so now I'm left to wonder why people direct all this hate on him when it is just as well deserved toward any other semi-crap T player.
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DTDominion
Profile Joined November 2005
United States2148 Posts
February 09 2006 09:03 GMT
#70
sea[sheild] had some cool strats in the dual tournament, more than goodfriend.

from this thread i can tell that midas's tvz is highly highly underrated. one bad game against zergman and all the sudden everyone thinks he sucks
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
February 09 2006 12:57 GMT
#71
he doesnt suck he's fucking midas

he just can't touch july
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
February 09 2006 15:29 GMT
#72
On February 09 2006 18:03 DTDominion wrote:
sea[sheild] had some cool strats in the dual tournament, more than goodfriend.

from this thread i can tell that midas's tvz is highly highly underrated. one bad game against zergman and all the sudden everyone thinks he sucks


Midas does not have the TvZ to compete against the top Zerg players of the day. July IPX and GoRush would all have their way with him.

This doesn't mean "he sucks"...it just means that he isn't in their league. Midas rides his TvP to get him places in tournaments, because he is seriously mediore in the other 2 MUs.
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Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
February 09 2006 16:39 GMT
#73
OSL tdy right? don't s ee any new topics......
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
February 09 2006 16:58 GMT
#74
Well we have seen quite some games between Midas and July lately. From those I recall, they are 2-2. The first two ones were during the Ever2005 OSL (he won on RoV and lost on Neo Forte during the tiebreakers, in a great/close game btw), and the remaining ones were played in Proleague, where Midas got totally destroyed first time and took his revenge a few weeks ago.

He also won vs Gorush in the last ODL, although Gorush was still slumping quite bad.

I don't know if it's enough to prove he's become a toplevel TvZ player (probably not), but what's sure is that he has improved an enormous amount in this matchup since he's been in T1. He's got great builds, great macro (he's esp. good with 2-fac tanks builds), and of course his trademark lethal timing.

I think a series vs July would be a good one, although July is the clear favourite.
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