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On June 18 2012 17:03 IshinShishi wrote:
Pretty solid game but someone should tell him that making so many vikings is actually a mistake, insta death vs ultra transition, then again he probably knew that CH was dead anyway.
If you don't have lots and lots the infestor/corruptor/brood lord army will just kill you outright most of the time.
Overmaking is a lot safer.
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On June 18 2012 17:05 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 16:59 J1.au wrote:On June 18 2012 16:55 IshinShishi wrote:
Fanta playing bio flawlessly, what has the world come to. Marines in SC2 are kinda strong, not really comparable to BW at all. Marines with medics are pretty imba in BW also ,but it was helluva harder controling them with 12 unit cap .
BW marines don't have shit on SC2 marines. SC2 marines are really, really good in every matchup.
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On June 18 2012 17:05 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 16:59 J1.au wrote:On June 18 2012 16:55 IshinShishi wrote:
Fanta playing bio flawlessly, what has the world come to. Marines in SC2 are kinda strong, not really comparable to BW at all. Marines with medics are pretty imba in BW also ,but it was helluva harder controling them with 12 unit cap .
Not really the same at all. SC2 marines are like goliaths with stim or something.
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On June 18 2012 17:09 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 17:05 raga4ka wrote:On June 18 2012 16:59 J1.au wrote:On June 18 2012 16:55 IshinShishi wrote:
Fanta playing bio flawlessly, what has the world come to. Marines in SC2 are kinda strong, not really comparable to BW at all. Marines with medics are pretty imba in BW also ,but it was helluva harder controling them with 12 unit cap . BW marines don't have shit on SC2 marines. SC2 marines are really, really good in every matchup.
+ Going bio now requires a dropship, so SC2 MnM is 100x more mobile than BW MnM just like what Fantasy showed us during that game.
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Combat shield isn't that big of a difference if Protoss had reavers and BW storm and terrans had BW tanks and vultures marines would have still been limited to TvZ only .
On June 18 2012 17:17 NicksonReyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 17:09 forsooth wrote:On June 18 2012 17:05 raga4ka wrote:On June 18 2012 16:59 J1.au wrote:On June 18 2012 16:55 IshinShishi wrote:
Fanta playing bio flawlessly, what has the world come to. Marines in SC2 are kinda strong, not really comparable to BW at all. Marines with medics are pretty imba in BW also ,but it was helluva harder controling them with 12 unit cap . BW marines don't have shit on SC2 marines. SC2 marines are really, really good in every matchup. + Going bio now requires a dropship, so SC2 MnM is 100x more mobile than BW MnM just like what Fantasy showed us during that game.
Dropships are used in BW as well and MMF in BW gave you complete map control until defilers were out . Map control depended on the micro vs Muta/lurker + ling , but now zergs have it because of creepsread and no early medics ... They are not more mobile then BW marines especially in the early game . Not to mention that it was a lot harder to drop against zergs do to scourge .
So it's not that marines became super good in SC2 it's more like everything else became worser then the BW counterparts .
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On June 18 2012 17:08 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 17:03 IshinShishi wrote:
Pretty solid game but someone should tell him that making so many vikings is actually a mistake, insta death vs ultra transition, then again he probably knew that CH was dead anyway. If you don't have lots and lots the infestor/corruptor/brood lord army will just kill you outright most of the time. Overmaking is a lot safer.
The problem is that CH had no upgrades for his blords, it didn't make sense for him to go full air, and even if he had, very few vikings are always better than 20 because of transitions and the fact that they are pretty bad vs infestor/corruptor, I've seen mass vikings vs zerg air lose infinitely more than win.
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He could've done so much damage at Wooki's main too, I don't get his decision to go back with the WP..
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That was pretty terrible... 
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pvp is ridiculous, all about composition/mechanics and very little actual micro involved. Losing 2 immortals by itself was enough to lose the match.
edit: And yes, taking them back was not the right move. He had observers, I didn't see if he saw the army move out, but he should have.
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Ah Bisu Bisu....SKT should take this to ACE still.
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On June 18 2012 17:28 Porteroso wrote:
pvp is ridiculous, all about composition/mechanics
... very little actual micro involved.
Losing 2 immortals
I'm so confused.
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Poor Bisu, his skills are not being put to good use.
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That looked so much worse in the replay, where you can see he actively clicked right next to the archon twice. I dont even...
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On June 18 2012 17:38 okum wrote:
Poor Bisu, his skills are not being put to good use.
Well losing that warp prism was pretty bad . He would still lose if that was BW with that mistake .
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that was just plain terrible, he knew that wooki's army was there and just flew over it. T_T
edit: yeah agreed @ up the guy above me. losing a shuttle with 2 reavers is just as bad.
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On June 18 2012 17:28 Porteroso wrote:
pvp is ridiculous, all about composition/mechanics and very little actual micro involved. Losing 2 immortals by itself was enough to lose the match.
edit: And yes, taking them back was not the right move. He had observers, I didn't see if he saw the army move out, but he should have.
What do you do with mechanics then? Queue probes?
Losing 2 immortals and a warp prism in any matchup means a good chance you lose.
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On June 18 2012 17:17 raga4ka wrote:Combat shield isn't that big of a difference if Protoss had reavers and BW storm and terrans had BW tanks and vultures marines would have still been limited to TvZ only . Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 17:17 NicksonReyes wrote:On June 18 2012 17:09 forsooth wrote:On June 18 2012 17:05 raga4ka wrote:On June 18 2012 16:59 J1.au wrote:On June 18 2012 16:55 IshinShishi wrote:
Fanta playing bio flawlessly, what has the world come to. Marines in SC2 are kinda strong, not really comparable to BW at all. Marines with medics are pretty imba in BW also ,but it was helluva harder controling them with 12 unit cap . BW marines don't have shit on SC2 marines. SC2 marines are really, really good in every matchup. + Going bio now requires a dropship, so SC2 MnM is 100x more mobile than BW MnM just like what Fantasy showed us during that game. Dropships are used in BW as well and MMF in BW gave you complete map control until defilers were out . Map control depended on the micro vs Muta/lurker + ling , but now zergs have it because of creepsread and no early medics ... They are not more mobile then BW marines especially in the early game . Not to mention that it was a lot harder to drop against zergs do to scourge . So it's not that marines became super good in SC2 it's more like everything else became worser then the BW counterparts . I think they are actually stronger in sc2, in dont know what it is but I need more lings to deal with them than I did in bw. I know lings are weaker, but i feel as if the marines are stronger too.
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