i think the first game on mercury between reach and oov last year really delude people's image of the rest of the series. if you think this was sloppy, recall that in either game 2 or 3, i dont remember which, reach lost after a horrible carrier rush failed on pelennor and that he won game 4 on requiem with a gate/forge cannon rush.

anyway though, this series is very reminiscent of the nada/gorush semi in IOPS. gorush went up 2-0 and looked to be dominating nada, then had game 3 won and blew it. after that, it was just a downhill slide and his confidence looked clearly broken. the big league experience of nada shined in that series much like how boxer's experience advantage over pusan showed here.

Carnac

Germany / USA16648 Posts

October 21 2005 05:52 GMT

#765

hehe, yeah i had to think of the nada vs gorush game on dream of balhae as well^^

i doubt that there is ANY progamer around with as much mental strength as boxer

jtan

Sweden5891 Posts

October 21 2005 06:44 GMT

#766

Woaoaoa BOXER <3

*laughing at all the crying tossplayers who make up reasons for the loss*

gogo win this osl now box-.-

instantbunz

United States319 Posts

October 21 2005 07:12 GMT

#767

Some of you guys are referring to how oov beat Reach 3:2, and that it was a better game. That game was different. Reach and oov are played massive macro: build up, fight in the center, and keep fighting until one wins.

> Don't forget that Reach tried to play macro against Boxer and got killed 0:2 (Boxer's timing attack with mass tank/vulture against Reach on R-point, and Boxer's mass dropships with tanks/goliaths on map 815).

> Pusan, on the other hand, practiced so that he would win 3:0 on the maps using strategy. If you watch the game, you'll see that him and his coaches worked an incredible amount on the strategy.

But Boxer lasted through and beat Pusan even in terms of strategy. So, in the end, Boxer beat Reach's macro and Pusan's strategy/macro.

Ack1027

United States7873 Posts

October 21 2005 07:13 GMT

#768

Boxer is going to win vs Oov.

OSL hat trick ftw.

Xeofreestyler

Belgium6771 Posts

October 21 2005 21:52 GMT

#769

YEEEEEAAAAAAAAAH
<3 boxer, He is the freakin man!

Purind

Canada3562 Posts

October 22 2005 02:34 GMT

#770

Seems like the 815 games were the only good ones. 815 PvT unwinnable!!!!!

I found Game 5 to be intense, and enjoyed it a lot. Don't know why people are disappointed. It was great defense by both players early on, and near the end, Boxer was just a bit better, with his timely switch to vultures, and his wraith counter to carriers. I'm a P player that wants a P champion, but I'm not at all disappointed that Boxer took this one

The better player won this series, it wasn't crap like maps. Pusan had to play R-Point, Boxer had to play Forte. The 815 games didn't seem imba at all, Pusan had a good strategy for that map, and played pretty well.

instantbunz

United States319 Posts

October 22 2005 04:02 GMT

#771

Did you see Boxer's Daily MVP voting? He got 80% of the commentator's votes, and 97% of the viewer's vote, compared to Pusan's 20% and 3%.

Right now, they're voting for the weekly MVP, and there's 6 hrs left until the vote ends, but Boxer already has 90% of the viewer's vote. lol.

http://www.fighterforum.com/mvp/mvp_read.asp

Jim

Sweden1965 Posts

October 22 2005 04:13 GMT

#772

On October 22 2005 13:02 instantbunz wrote:
Did you see Boxer's Daily MVP voting? He got 80% of the commentator's votes, and 97% of the viewer's vote, compared to Pusan's 20% and 3%.

Right now, they're voting for the weekly MVP, and there's 6 hrs left until the vote ends, but Boxer already has 90% of the viewer's vote. lol.

http://www.fighterforum.com/mvp/mvp_read.asp

This is what Im talking about. Go BOXER!

Kacas

Brazil3143 Posts

October 22 2005 04:41 GMT

#773

thx everyone for the battle reports
interesting =)
=***

racebannon

Canada1225 Posts

October 22 2005 07:02 GMT

#774

game 5 was long and boring. Game 2 3 and 4 were the only good ones. Boxer got absolutely destroyed in 2, and 3 and 4 were close but short and on any other maps would have been much longer and he probably wouldn't have won.

Game 5 though, it was never close. Everything pusan did was ineffective. And not because boxer was playing really tight, neither played the best games of their careers. I blame the map primarily, it just doesn't promote entertaining builds or gameplay. Goliath vs speedlots and cannons just isn't fun to watch. By the time pusan switched to carriers boxer's gols were too far upgraded and he had too many bases for there to be any competition

The best part of this whole series was the guy in the long sleeved orange shirt who was going crazy for Boxer the whole time.

its nice to see boxer come back from 2-0 but there was no magic in the 5th game, fuck 815 for robbing us of an exciting game 5.

lil.sis

China4650 Posts

October 22 2005 07:14 GMT

#775

yeah that guy was funny

i especially like when he was praying lol

lil.sis

China4650 Posts

October 22 2005 07:14 GMT

#776

and i agree pusan played very well

EvilTeletubby

Baltimore, USA22254 Posts

October 22 2005 12:58 GMT

#777

Bleh, I agree that game 5 sucked. I was screaming at my monitor for Pusan to expand for like 20 minutes... I think if he had set himself to macro mode and expoed a few times as he should have; he would've had the econ to work up the type of group he would've needed to win... I found Game 5 boring and drawn out. Game 3 was awesome, Pusan was hella impressive Game 2, and same for Boxer Game 4.

Purind

Canada3562 Posts

October 22 2005 13:41 GMT

#778

It might have been hard for Pusan to expand, with Boxer running around with 5 dropships and 20000 goliaths dropping anything that pops up.

EvilTeletubby

Baltimore, USA22254 Posts

October 22 2005 14:20 GMT

#779

On October 22 2005 22:41 Purind wrote:
It might have been hard for Pusan to expand, with Boxer running around with 5 dropships and 20000 goliaths dropping anything that pops up.

There were a lot of times he could have I think; but I think he was trying too hard to out-strategize the Master... micro/strategy game on semi-island vs Boxer? I really wish he had played it out to be more of a macro fest from the get-go.

PoP

France15446 Posts

October 22 2005 16:47 GMT

#780

On October 22 2005 16:02 racebannon wrote:
game 5 was long and boring. Game 2 3 and 4 were the only good ones. Boxer got absolutely destroyed in 2, and 3 and 4 were close but short and on any other maps would have been much longer and he probably wouldn't have won.

Game 4 was close? How that? o.o

Despite killing some SCVs Pusan had absolutely 0 chance vs such a well executed timing push after double expanding.

Game 5 though, it was never close. Everything pusan did was ineffective. And not because boxer was playing really tight, neither played the best games of their careers. I blame the map primarily, it just doesn't promote entertaining builds or gameplay. Goliath vs speedlots and cannons just isn't fun to watch. By the time pusan switched to carriers boxer's gols were too far upgraded and he had too many bases for there to be any competition

I don't agree that it was never close, and I think speedzeals/templars into arbiters or carriers is a great choice PvT on this map. Speedzeals/templars are supposed to rape Goliaths and they don't need shuttles to be dangerous to starting positions bases. Plus hallucinating shuttles before dropping islands can be very effective as well, although Pusan didn't seem to do it.

Anyway, to me it looked like as if despite pwning in the early game, if Boxer failed to defend vs any of Pusan's numerous offensives, he would have been left in a bad, sometimes very bad position.

Some random proterran could have easily lost that game.