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On January 01 2012 00:10 VGhost wrote:
Running through results, this deserves mention:
In regular leagues, Bisu's PvZ win-rate for ALL OF 2011 is 85.71% (24-4). (If you include the prelim loss to hyvaa it drops to 25-6, which is "only" 80.65%.)
I know people talk about JD and Flash's mirror winrates and stuff, but this is something nobody else even begins to challenge: since it's not a mirror, there's not even the "but xyz player can beat him there" thing.
Was Flash's TvZ comparable?
Flash's TvZ in 2009 was 42-10 (80.77%). In 2010 and 2011 it was "only" ~72% but he was more successful during those years anyway, which shows that statistics don't really mean much if they don't ultimately amount to anything (i.e., PL and individual league titles... or OSL qualification  ).
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On January 01 2012 03:38 Count9 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 00:10 VGhost wrote:
Running through results, this deserves mention:
In regular leagues, Bisu's PvZ win-rate for ALL OF 2011 is 85.71% (24-4). (If you include the prelim loss to hyvaa it drops to 25-6, which is "only" 80.65%.)
I know people talk about JD and Flash's mirror winrates and stuff, but this is something nobody else even begins to challenge: since it's not a mirror, there's not even the "but xyz player can beat him there" thing.
Was Flash's TvZ comparable? Why do Bisu fans keep masochistically comparing him to Flash, trying to find justification that he's as good as Flash?
Why do WMF fans exist solely to hate on Bisu?
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Just watched the bisu vs effort vod
omg lol
Effort got completely dismantled
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On January 01 2012 03:38 Count9 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 00:10 VGhost wrote:
Running through results, this deserves mention:
In regular leagues, Bisu's PvZ win-rate for ALL OF 2011 is 85.71% (24-4). (If you include the prelim loss to hyvaa it drops to 25-6, which is "only" 80.65%.)
I know people talk about JD and Flash's mirror winrates and stuff, but this is something nobody else even begins to challenge: since it's not a mirror, there's not even the "but xyz player can beat him there" thing.
Was Flash's TvZ comparable? Why do Bisu fans keep masochistically comparing him to Flash, trying to find justification that he's as good as Flash?
Because they need their own hero, they are Bisu's fanbois after all what would u expect them to say ?
They want to see Bisu as no1, its not easy to be hating on Flash. Imagine what would happen if Bisu eliminated Flash out of last MSL and won it , they would never shut up  (not like they did...)
edit: it was about Bisu's blind fanbois/Flash haters , i respect all fans who are not trashing other players.
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Why do Flash fans need to pretend that a terran player is any good?
+ Show Spoiler +About the level of hate of the previous posts in here.
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On January 01 2012 04:59 Lightwip wrote:Why do Flash fans need to pretend that a terran player is any good? + Show Spoiler +About the level of hate of the previous posts in here.
u fail bro
Besides im not hating at all ,and i actually like Bisu - hes my no2 protoss favourite player ( right after Stork). Bisu to KT plz
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On January 01 2012 03:38 Count9 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 00:10 VGhost wrote:
Running through results, this deserves mention:
In regular leagues, Bisu's PvZ win-rate for ALL OF 2011 is 85.71% (24-4). (If you include the prelim loss to hyvaa it drops to 25-6, which is "only" 80.65%.)
I know people talk about JD and Flash's mirror winrates and stuff, but this is something nobody else even begins to challenge: since it's not a mirror, there's not even the "but xyz player can beat him there" thing.
Was Flash's TvZ comparable? Why do Bisu fans keep masochistically comparing him to Flash, trying to find justification that he's as good as Flash?
Bisu's one of the best players right now, why not compare him to Flash?
I'm not really a "Bisu fan" anyway, except of his PvZ which is a thing of art – out of TLBS I'll root Stork > Flash > Bisu > Jaedong; and my favorite players are free and Light.
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On January 01 2012 04:59 Lightwip wrote:Why do Flash fans need to pretend that a terran player is any good? + Show Spoiler +About the level of hate of the previous posts in here.
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/alffla/fantasygg.jpg)
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On January 01 2012 07:15 b0lt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 04:59 Lightwip wrote:Why do Flash fans need to pretend that a terran player is any good? + Show Spoiler +About the level of hate of the previous posts in here.
I fail to see how you think you proved anything.
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Not to say it was what put him behind, but why are zergs taking their third in the middle of the map on Outlier? ...its insanely wide open and looks impossible to make any meaningful sim-city. Especially with Efforts fast Hive tech strategy it seems to be a terrible liability.
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On January 01 2012 08:14 sheaRZerg wrote:
Not to say it was what put him behind, but why are zergs taking their third in the middle of the map on Outlier? ...its insanely wide open and looks impossible to make any meaningful sim-city. Especially with Efforts fast Hive tech strategy it seems to be a terrible liability.
Possibly due to proximity?
I don't know, and I don't really agree with that decision either. Maybe they just haven't learned the map that well yet.
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On January 01 2012 08:28 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 08:14 sheaRZerg wrote:
Not to say it was what put him behind, but why are zergs taking their third in the middle of the map on Outlier? ...its insanely wide open and looks impossible to make any meaningful sim-city. Especially with Efforts fast Hive tech strategy it seems to be a terrible liability. Possibly due to proximity? I don't know, and I don't really agree with that decision either. Maybe they just haven't learned the map that well yet.
I think Effort thought that he could have held Bisu's attack with Zergling/Lurker army but to his dismay Bisu's play was crisp on whisling down his Zerglings.
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On January 01 2012 00:10 VGhost wrote:
Running through results, this deserves mention:
In regular leagues, Bisu's PvZ win-rate for ALL OF 2011 is 85.71% (24-4). (If you include the prelim loss to hyvaa it drops to 25-6, which is "only" 80.65%.)
I know people talk about JD and Flash's mirror winrates and stuff, but this is something nobody else even begins to challenge: since it's not a mirror, there's not even the "but xyz player can beat him there" thing.
Was Flash's TvZ comparable?
In 2010 Flash had a cumulative TvP winrate of 39-8 (82.98%)
On January 01 2012 04:03 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 03:38 Count9 wrote:On January 01 2012 00:10 VGhost wrote:
Running through results, this deserves mention:
In regular leagues, Bisu's PvZ win-rate for ALL OF 2011 is 85.71% (24-4). (If you include the prelim loss to hyvaa it drops to 25-6, which is "only" 80.65%.)
I know people talk about JD and Flash's mirror winrates and stuff, but this is something nobody else even begins to challenge: since it's not a mirror, there's not even the "but xyz player can beat him there" thing.
Was Flash's TvZ comparable? Why do Bisu fans keep masochistically comparing him to Flash, trying to find justification that he's as good as Flash? Why do WMF fans exist solely to hate on Bisu?
In the mind of the SKT fan, "Bisu isn't as good as Flash" = hating on Bisu.
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On January 01 2012 08:56 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 04:03 Lightwip wrote:On January 01 2012 03:38 Count9 wrote:On January 01 2012 00:10 VGhost wrote:
Running through results, this deserves mention:
In regular leagues, Bisu's PvZ win-rate for ALL OF 2011 is 85.71% (24-4). (If you include the prelim loss to hyvaa it drops to 25-6, which is "only" 80.65%.)
I know people talk about JD and Flash's mirror winrates and stuff, but this is something nobody else even begins to challenge: since it's not a mirror, there's not even the "but xyz player can beat him there" thing.
Was Flash's TvZ comparable? Why do Bisu fans keep masochistically comparing him to Flash, trying to find justification that he's as good as Flash? Why do WMF fans exist solely to hate on Bisu? In the mind of the SKT fan, "Bisu isn't as good as Flash" = hating on Bisu.
Cute, but not quite. It's a pattern I've noticed while I've been on TL.
WMF fans are essentially Bisu haters.
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Effort just isn't s class anymore. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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On January 01 2012 09:15 Release wrote:
Effort just isn't s class anymore. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Getting rolled by Bisu in PvZ isn't something to be ashamed about
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On January 01 2012 09:06 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 08:56 Rostam wrote:On January 01 2012 04:03 Lightwip wrote:On January 01 2012 03:38 Count9 wrote:On January 01 2012 00:10 VGhost wrote:
Running through results, this deserves mention:
In regular leagues, Bisu's PvZ win-rate for ALL OF 2011 is 85.71% (24-4). (If you include the prelim loss to hyvaa it drops to 25-6, which is "only" 80.65%.)
I know people talk about JD and Flash's mirror winrates and stuff, but this is something nobody else even begins to challenge: since it's not a mirror, there's not even the "but xyz player can beat him there" thing.
Was Flash's TvZ comparable? Why do Bisu fans keep masochistically comparing him to Flash, trying to find justification that he's as good as Flash? Why do WMF fans exist solely to hate on Bisu? In the mind of the SKT fan, "Bisu isn't as good as Flash" = hating on Bisu. Cute, but not quite. It's a pattern I've noticed while I've been on TL. WMF fans are essentially Bisu haters.
Except the only thing that guy said was that Bisu isn't as good as Flash.
Which.. is true. So it's not really hating.
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On January 01 2012 09:06 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 08:56 Rostam wrote:On January 01 2012 04:03 Lightwip wrote:On January 01 2012 03:38 Count9 wrote:On January 01 2012 00:10 VGhost wrote:
Running through results, this deserves mention:
In regular leagues, Bisu's PvZ win-rate for ALL OF 2011 is 85.71% (24-4). (If you include the prelim loss to hyvaa it drops to 25-6, which is "only" 80.65%.)
I know people talk about JD and Flash's mirror winrates and stuff, but this is something nobody else even begins to challenge: since it's not a mirror, there's not even the "but xyz player can beat him there" thing.
Was Flash's TvZ comparable? Why do Bisu fans keep masochistically comparing him to Flash, trying to find justification that he's as good as Flash? Why do WMF fans exist solely to hate on Bisu? In the mind of the SKT fan, "Bisu isn't as good as Flash" = hating on Bisu. Cute, but not quite. It's a pattern I've noticed while I've been on TL. WMF fans are essentially Bisu haters.
I don't hate Bisu, I actually really like him cause I'm a toss player (I actually don't like his PvZ that much strangely enough). I've liked him since a couple years ago when he had a monstrous PvP and I couldn't figure out how to play that match up.
But comparing him to Flash is silly. When Flash enters the a starleague you think "I wonder who's gonna be able to even take games off him", when Bisu enters a starleague you think "I hope Shine doesn't hydra bust him out again and I hope he doesn't lose to a random Terran like go.go again". Just not the same thing even though he's the best Toss right now and considered S-class. Just seems sensible for T1 fans to not make that comparison.
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On January 01 2012 09:15 Release wrote:
Effort just isn't s class anymore. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
No doubt, he'll get better.
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On January 01 2012 09:06 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 08:56 Rostam wrote:On January 01 2012 04:03 Lightwip wrote:On January 01 2012 03:38 Count9 wrote:On January 01 2012 00:10 VGhost wrote:
Running through results, this deserves mention:
In regular leagues, Bisu's PvZ win-rate for ALL OF 2011 is 85.71% (24-4). (If you include the prelim loss to hyvaa it drops to 25-6, which is "only" 80.65%.)
I know people talk about JD and Flash's mirror winrates and stuff, but this is something nobody else even begins to challenge: since it's not a mirror, there's not even the "but xyz player can beat him there" thing.
Was Flash's TvZ comparable? Why do Bisu fans keep masochistically comparing him to Flash, trying to find justification that he's as good as Flash? Why do WMF fans exist solely to hate on Bisu? In the mind of the SKT fan, "Bisu isn't as good as Flash" = hating on Bisu. Cute, but not quite. It's a pattern I've noticed while I've been on TL. WMF fans are essentially Bisu haters.
dude you're one of the worst sports i've seen on here. i'm a huge wmf fan (especially nada and baby; i even liked lucifer and pure) and i love bisu. seeing him dismantle effort (whose play i don't particularly enjoy) was awesome. it's ridiculous to see you grump around here calling teams trash and then say that better-adjusted fans exist solely to hate on the things you like. pop some pills and enjoy broodwar while it lasts dude.
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