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pinkranger15
Profile Joined June 2010
Philippines1597 Posts
December 31 2011 10:34 GMT
#1401
bisu roflstomping effort ezpz.

s2 almost had that. tsk tsk. leta will his nice defense -_-

macro lords battling each other = EPIC
yoyo!
TensaiSakuragi
Profile Joined November 2011
Croatia224 Posts
December 31 2011 10:43 GMT
#1402
This SKT1, too strong to handle for CJ. Sorry Entus, this is OUR season.
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
December 31 2011 11:34 GMT
#1403
Just watched Bisu vs Effort. Bisu used the build that he created during the Effort's retirement and Effort wasn't prepared for that lol. BTW the way Effort played ZvP is very weird, he used lot and lot of lings and scourges instead of hydras.
Khassar de Templari
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
December 31 2011 12:12 GMT
#1404
As expected.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
December 31 2011 13:34 GMT
#1405
awesome games today !

GJ SKT !!! :D
T H C makes ppl happy
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42417 Posts
December 31 2011 13:55 GMT
#1406
Woooooooo, SKT!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
magicman
Profile Joined October 2008
Philippines54 Posts
December 31 2011 15:02 GMT
#1407
WOOOO! i hope Bisu's new year resolution is to never play a onesided game favoring the opponent.hahahaha!! KIM TAEK YONG HWAITING!!!!.efforts face after GG was like "what the fuck did he do?" hahaha no offense CJ fans
if you aint first.your last
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3621 Posts
December 31 2011 15:10 GMT
#1408
Running through results, this deserves mention:

In regular leagues, Bisu's PvZ win-rate for ALL OF 2011 is 85.71% (24-4). (If you include the prelim loss to hyvaa it drops to 25-6, which is "only" 80.65%.)

I know people talk about JD and Flash's mirror winrates and stuff, but this is something nobody else even begins to challenge: since it's not a mirror, there's not even the "but xyz player can beat him there" thing.

Was Flash's TvZ comparable?
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
December 31 2011 15:45 GMT
#1409
Woo! I didn't catch the games but the results please me.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
December 31 2011 15:54 GMT
#1410
sad

BW is back
chisuri
Profile Joined January 2010
Vietnam789 Posts
December 31 2011 16:08 GMT
#1411
On January 01 2012 00:10 VGhost wrote:
Running through results, this deserves mention:

In regular leagues, Bisu's PvZ win-rate for ALL OF 2011 is 85.71% (24-4). (If you include the prelim loss to hyvaa it drops to 25-6, which is "only" 80.65%.)

I know people talk about JD and Flash's mirror winrates and stuff, but this is something nobody else even begins to challenge: since it's not a mirror, there's not even the "but xyz player can beat him there" thing.

Was Flash's TvZ comparable?

No, he lost to JD all the ways the last few months.
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
December 31 2011 16:17 GMT
#1412
On January 01 2012 00:10 VGhost wrote:
Running through results, this deserves mention:

In regular leagues, Bisu's PvZ win-rate for ALL OF 2011 is 85.71% (24-4). (If you include the prelim loss to hyvaa it drops to 25-6, which is "only" 80.65%.)

I know people talk about JD and Flash's mirror winrates and stuff, but this is something nobody else even begins to challenge: since it's not a mirror, there's not even the "but xyz player can beat him there" thing.

Was Flash's TvZ comparable?


It's definitely the most unique matchup. While Flash is arguably more dominant in TvT (which I believe is the most taxing matchup to play given the intricacies involved), ZvP has historically favored Z in nearly all respects, which makes Bisu's performance in it so much more remarkable than Flash's sheer dominance. The fact that the 2nd best ZvPer is astronomically below Bisu attests to this. It's art, plain and simple, and Bisu is the only one with the vision to create a masterpiece.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
December 31 2011 16:47 GMT
#1413
On January 01 2012 01:17 Caladbolg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 00:10 VGhost wrote:
Running through results, this deserves mention:

In regular leagues, Bisu's PvZ win-rate for ALL OF 2011 is 85.71% (24-4). (If you include the prelim loss to hyvaa it drops to 25-6, which is "only" 80.65%.)

I know people talk about JD and Flash's mirror winrates and stuff, but this is something nobody else even begins to challenge: since it's not a mirror, there's not even the "but xyz player can beat him there" thing.

Was Flash's TvZ comparable?


It's definitely the most unique matchup. While Flash is arguably more dominant in TvT (which I believe is the most taxing matchup to play given the intricacies involved), ZvP has historically favored Z in nearly all respects, which makes Bisu's performance in it so much more remarkable than Flash's sheer dominance. The fact that the 2nd best ZvPer is astronomically below Bisu attests to this. It's art, plain and simple, and Bisu is the only one with the vision to create a masterpiece.


Sadly his vision doesn't transfer to his PvT.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
December 31 2011 17:03 GMT
#1414
On January 01 2012 00:10 VGhost wrote:
Running through results, this deserves mention:

In regular leagues, Bisu's PvZ win-rate for ALL OF 2011 is 85.71% (24-4). (If you include the prelim loss to hyvaa it drops to 25-6, which is "only" 80.65%.)

I know people talk about JD and Flash's mirror winrates and stuff, but this is something nobody else even begins to challenge: since it's not a mirror, there's not even the "but xyz player can beat him there" thing.

Was Flash's TvZ comparable?

Flash's TvT in 2010-11 Proleague + Winners league is 27-4 (87.1%). If you include 2011 Starleagues it drops to 34-6 (85%). Mirror winrates shouldn't be discarded, arguably there's more of a luck/bo loss factor and players who completely dominate them are rare.

Besides, Flash's best vs Z streak is 19 wins (he went 25-2 vs Z for a part of '09). Bisu's is 9.

Yhamm is the god of predictions
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 17:09:59
December 31 2011 17:07 GMT
#1415
On January 01 2012 01:47 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 01:17 Caladbolg wrote:
On January 01 2012 00:10 VGhost wrote:
Running through results, this deserves mention:

In regular leagues, Bisu's PvZ win-rate for ALL OF 2011 is 85.71% (24-4). (If you include the prelim loss to hyvaa it drops to 25-6, which is "only" 80.65%.)

I know people talk about JD and Flash's mirror winrates and stuff, but this is something nobody else even begins to challenge: since it's not a mirror, there's not even the "but xyz player can beat him there" thing.

Was Flash's TvZ comparable?


It's definitely the most unique matchup. While Flash is arguably more dominant in TvT (which I believe is the most taxing matchup to play given the intricacies involved), ZvP has historically favored Z in nearly all respects, which makes Bisu's performance in it so much more remarkable than Flash's sheer dominance. The fact that the 2nd best ZvPer is astronomically below Bisu attests to this. It's art, plain and simple, and Bisu is the only one with the vision to create a masterpiece.


Sadly his vision doesn't transfer to his PvT.

His PvT is, nevertheless, top tier.
By a significant margin, his current PvT is the highest.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Veles
Profile Joined May 2011
United States3280 Posts
December 31 2011 17:41 GMT
#1416
Flash was 21-8 in TvZ during 2011. 4 of those losses are to JD, and it is still a respectable 72%.
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
December 31 2011 17:42 GMT
#1417
Didn't effort knock Bisu out of the Korean Air OSL 2? Like when he himself had no chance to make it any further?
+ Show Spoiler +
HA
Jaedong.
darkmetal505
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States639 Posts
December 31 2011 18:24 GMT
#1418
On December 31 2011 20:34 kamikami wrote:
Just watched Bisu vs Effort. Bisu used the build that he created during the Effort's retirement and Effort wasn't prepared for that lol. BTW the way Effort played ZvP is very weird, he used lot and lot of lings and scourges instead of hydras.


Effort usually goes lurker/ling in ZvP.

That 3rd position looks hard to defend. Dunno why Effort/JD chose it. Wide open so dragoons/storms do most damage. Bisu's army was monstrous though. I didn't think Effort would've been able to hold anyway.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
December 31 2011 18:33 GMT
#1419
On December 31 2011 14:16 shaftofpleasure wrote:
Haters wont accept Horang2 losing to Best despite hidden expo. lol

Blame Horang2 for his incompetence. lol


Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 14:14 reincremate wrote:
On December 31 2011 14:10 Lightwip wrote:
Ninja is not found
But Best still wins with his skill
Rejoice, Brood War fans!

My haikus now end
I must return to physics
But enjoy this win.

Why horang2 Lost Otherwise Epic PvP
herp derp unit comp
dark archons and few HTs
feedback HTs late



So you are implying that this PvP wasn't EPIC?

Best's BO was a directly countered by Horang2's BO, yet, Best managed to dish out 11 probes. Horang2 with a hidden expo and still manages to lose every single engagement they had. Also, Best had 0 intel over his enemy, he was defending a drop from Horang2 that never happened. And Horang2 decided it was wise to fight uphill.

It's not unit comp nor the use of DA. It was Horang2 incompetence despite having a considerable lead that made this game Epic.

I said it was an epic PvP. Horang2's unit composition and bad engagements weren't epic though. I wasn't giving a full explanation as to why horang2 lost for as there's not enough room in a haiku.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
December 31 2011 18:38 GMT
#1420
On January 01 2012 00:10 VGhost wrote:
Running through results, this deserves mention:

In regular leagues, Bisu's PvZ win-rate for ALL OF 2011 is 85.71% (24-4). (If you include the prelim loss to hyvaa it drops to 25-6, which is "only" 80.65%.)

I know people talk about JD and Flash's mirror winrates and stuff, but this is something nobody else even begins to challenge: since it's not a mirror, there's not even the "but xyz player can beat him there" thing.

Was Flash's TvZ comparable?

Why do Bisu fans keep masochistically comparing him to Flash, trying to find justification that he's as good as Flash?
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