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Evs
Profile Joined December 2008
Philippines330 Posts
July 22 2011 12:40 GMT
#1041
On July 22 2011 21:36 mnesthes wrote:
Welp after today we've got 4 2-0s from Fantasy, Flash, Killer and Hyuk (lol)


I can understand Fantasy and Flash for the terrans but Killer and Hyuk for zerg,, kekeke
Shurayuki
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2665 Posts
July 22 2011 12:42 GMT
#1042
On July 22 2011 21:40 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 21:39 hitthat wrote:
i didnt make an experiments so I ask...is this device potential usefull answer for Hydra burst, or just a waste of 100 minerals? > http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Shield_battery

What would you use the battery for?


if only shield battery worked for cannons...

On July 22 2011 21:40 Evs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 21:36 mnesthes wrote:
Welp after today we've got 4 2-0s from Fantasy, Flash, Killer and Hyuk (lol)


I can understand Fantasy and Flash for the terrans but Killer and Hyuk for zerg,, kekeke


don't you doubt the captain!

hyuk is bonjwa if he doesn't hyuk himself!
なまいきになんなよ~ Don't be too stakka~ ☆ SKT Harlequin ☆ n.Die_soO Hoppin You ♪ 愛 am BeSt ♪ ワイフ♥小早川りんこ
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 12:45:38
July 22 2011 12:42 GMT
#1043
On July 22 2011 21:40 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 21:39 hitthat wrote:
i didnt make an experiments so I ask...is this device potential usefull answer for Hydra burst, or just a waste of 100 minerals? > http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Shield_battery

What would you use the battery for?


I dont know, maybe just to replenish shield for zealots after retreat just to let them survive 1 or 2 hits more? Thats why I asked.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
July 22 2011 12:43 GMT
#1044
I believe what Protoss really needs to survive Hydra busts is the ability to Repair on their Probes which unfortunately is unlikely to ever happen.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
July 22 2011 12:44 GMT
#1045
hydra dps is so high that shield batteries aren't very good against them
if hydras are killing a reaver, they're going to kill it in about a second
if hydras are killing something that's not a reaver, keeping that unit alive for another couple of seconds isn't going to help you out very much at all
brood war for life, brood war forever
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
July 22 2011 12:46 GMT
#1046
i believe that what protoss needs to beat zerg is to fucking play better
why so much balance whine?
brood war for life, brood war forever
Evs
Profile Joined December 2008
Philippines330 Posts
July 22 2011 12:47 GMT
#1047
On July 22 2011 21:42 Shurayuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 21:40 Elyvilon wrote:
On July 22 2011 21:39 hitthat wrote:
i didnt make an experiments so I ask...is this device potential usefull answer for Hydra burst, or just a waste of 100 minerals? > http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Shield_battery

What would you use the battery for?


if only shield battery worked for cannons...

Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 21:40 Evs wrote:
On July 22 2011 21:36 mnesthes wrote:
Welp after today we've got 4 2-0s from Fantasy, Flash, Killer and Hyuk (lol)


I can understand Fantasy and Flash for the terrans but Killer and Hyuk for zerg,, kekeke


don't you doubt the captain!

hyuk is bonjwa if he doesn't hyuk himself!


I agree with the last statement, nobody defeats Hyuk but Hyuk himself =)
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
July 22 2011 12:49 GMT
#1048
On July 22 2011 21:43 mnesthes wrote:
I believe what Protoss really needs to survive Hydra busts is the ability to Repair on their Probes which unfortunately is unlikely to ever happen.



scrabs that travel on air is enough. Those slow scrabs cant damage hydras fast enough.
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
July 22 2011 12:49 GMT
#1049
On July 22 2011 21:46 Crunchums wrote:
i believe that what protoss needs to beat zerg is to fucking play better
why so much balance whine?


This.
Felt like surfing a sc2 thread with efffing balance whine constantly.... Get rid of this this mentality people, this is BW we are watching.
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
Phayt
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada346 Posts
July 22 2011 12:51 GMT
#1050
With the way things are shaping up so far, I think it's getting to be pretty likely that we'll be seeing some tiebreakers in at least one or two of these groups, which is nice. The more games we get the better, right?
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
July 22 2011 12:51 GMT
#1051
Actually most of this is not about balance complain but about theorycrafting to find an answer in actual state of balance. Why are you think it's all whinig?
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
July 22 2011 12:52 GMT
#1052
On July 22 2011 21:42 Shurayuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 21:40 Elyvilon wrote:
On July 22 2011 21:39 hitthat wrote:
i didnt make an experiments so I ask...is this device potential usefull answer for Hydra burst, or just a waste of 100 minerals? > http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Shield_battery

What would you use the battery for?


if only shield battery worked for cannons...

Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 21:40 Evs wrote:
On July 22 2011 21:36 mnesthes wrote:
Welp after today we've got 4 2-0s from Fantasy, Flash, Killer and Hyuk (lol)


I can understand Fantasy and Flash for the terrans but Killer and Hyuk for zerg,, kekeke


don't you doubt the captain!

hyuk is bonjwa if he doesn't hyuk himself!


In before he meets Fantasy.

lol.
WriterXiao8~~
Winechu
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore1186 Posts
July 22 2011 12:55 GMT
#1053
On July 22 2011 21:51 hitthat wrote:
Actually most of this is not about balance complain but about theorycrafting to find an answer in actual state of balance. Why are you think it's all whinig?


Most Ps deserve to be hydra busted

-scout the hydra den and yet still skimp on cannons
-go for a tech build like double stargate + dt without a follow up plan
-don't make enough units and play greedy

It's not the fault of Zs hydra busting if Ps decide to play like this, it gets the job done and players have to do what they have to to win. It is not a balance issue. It can be rectified by simply playing better. Hydra busts have been around forever. Ps should know better.
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 13:02:30
July 22 2011 12:58 GMT
#1054
On July 22 2011 21:55 Winechu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 21:51 hitthat wrote:
Actually most of this is not about balance complain but about theorycrafting to find an answer in actual state of balance. Why are you think it's all whinig?


Most Ps deserve to be hydra busted

-scout the hydra den and yet still skimp on cannons
-go for a tech build like double stargate + dt without a follow up plan
-don't make enough units and play greedy


It's not the fault of Zs hydra busting if Ps decide to play like this, it gets the job done and players have to do what they have to to win. It is not a balance issue. It can be rectified by simply playing better. Hydra busts have been around forever. Ps should know better.



lol....making cannons and find out he is drone whoring, making units failing to break through and find yourself up 2 vs 4 zerg base with hive. Not to mention he has the option to destroy all your cannons with enough hydras. Cannons take too long and expensive, drop like water.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
July 22 2011 12:59 GMT
#1055
On July 22 2011 21:55 Winechu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 21:51 hitthat wrote:
Actually most of this is not about balance complain but about theorycrafting to find an answer in actual state of balance. Why are you think it's all whinig?


-scout the hydra den and yet still skimp on cannons

I agree with a lot of your post, but this part is tough. If you build like 10 cannons or whatever, you're not going to lose immediately, but you're going to lose in 10 minutes since you can't pressure. It can be tricky to figure out whether a zerg is really hydrabusting or just wants you to think he is.
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Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3513 Posts
July 22 2011 13:03 GMT
#1056
Everyone make sure to let Bisu know how you feel about PvZ on your way. Don't be mad Jangbi played like a butt.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
July 22 2011 13:04 GMT
#1057
On July 22 2011 21:35 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 21:33 Sinedd wrote:
On July 22 2011 21:28 Shurayuki wrote:
On July 22 2011 21:27 Sinedd wrote:
On July 22 2011 21:25 Sawamura wrote:
On July 22 2011 21:23 Sinedd wrote:
On July 22 2011 21:21 Sawamura wrote:
On July 22 2011 21:20 Sinedd wrote:
On July 22 2011 21:18 Hyde wrote:
On July 22 2011 21:16 Crunchums wrote:
[quote]
what

Lol

ahhhh Modesty and Hyvaa shaking hands, they're team mates after all

some idea at least...

but I think maelstrom would be better

seriously its such an awesome spell, why the fuck Protoss players aint using their whole arsenal while T and Z players are...

just... ugh.


requires lot of game sense + apm..... to pull it off i guess . I think jangbi is not accustomed to dark archon style of play hmm....

throwing maelstrom requiers alot of apm ? ok. and even if yes, then bw progamers do have the highest apm in esports right ? Protoss players really need to do something about those hydrabusts and ht snipes


Protoss need another bisu evolution or whichever savior who will come with that sort of playstyle to counter the current hydra bust and templar sniping after all bw stood pride of it's game balance moto . So yeah probably in the future some one will start abusing every protoss arsenal out there to inch out the imbalance of the swarm .


I hope to god it happens and fast

Protoss players are really boring and dry lately... no innovations whatsoever

we need the revolution !!!


but bisu is still doing fine, the other's just can't seem to emulate that style

i don't think we need a "PvZ for dummies" build that everyone can use

even though something that stops Hydrabust reliably would be nice i guess


Bisu was always a real monster vs Z, maybe thats why

yeye, Im talking about the revolution in dealing with the hydrabust.


despite bisu being a monster he occasionally dies to hydrabust too...

true, true
T H C makes ppl happy
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
July 22 2011 13:05 GMT
#1058
On July 22 2011 21:59 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 21:55 Winechu wrote:
On July 22 2011 21:51 hitthat wrote:
Actually most of this is not about balance complain but about theorycrafting to find an answer in actual state of balance. Why are you think it's all whinig?


-scout the hydra den and yet still skimp on cannons

I agree with a lot of your post, but this part is tough. If you build like 10 cannons or whatever, you're not going to lose immediately, but you're going to lose in 10 minutes since you can't pressure. It can be tricky to figure out whether a zerg is really hydrabusting or just wants you to think he is.

Make a corsair, scout. Probe scout till you get a corsair. PvZ early game is mostly scouting.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
July 22 2011 13:05 GMT
#1059
Lol I knew it, 3/4. Killer combo broke my liquibet.

I want to see the LB on SOo's match, I need to know how many guys I'm giving high fives to. )
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
July 22 2011 13:06 GMT
#1060
On July 22 2011 21:49 Black[CAT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 21:46 Crunchums wrote:
i believe that what protoss needs to beat zerg is to fucking play better
why so much balance whine?


This.
Felt like surfing a sc2 thread with efffing balance whine constantly.... Get rid of this this mentality people, this is BW we are watching.

who the fuck is whining ? its more like brainstorming to find the best counter to hydrabust

... besides, whine is good sometimes. Shows that something is wrong and need to be changed.
T H C makes ppl happy
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