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blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
June 08 2011 10:48 GMT
#341
Someone please speed up time so we can get to this match already.
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Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
June 08 2011 12:12 GMT
#342
It's likely they have no pregame entertainment as well.
God Bless
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 18:06:56
June 08 2011 18:05 GMT
#343
On June 08 2011 12:54 WaterTower wrote:
Im glad everyone here got the point. It is impossible to beat Flash at what he's good at.

Micro.. After watching almost every Flash game of the past year, it is clear that JD is the only person who can outmicro Flash in general. I just haven't seen it be done by anyone else.

Macro.. Once again, JD is the only person who generally outmacros Flash. Zerg usually needs a base more than terran to be on even territory, but Jaedong regularly gets 2 or 3 more than Flash.

Starsense.. Flash is #1 in the world. This is the factor that allowed him to have a slight winning percentage against Jaedong. He predicts things perfectly in many occasions. The Hana MSL game 1 is the perfect example. Jaedong tried to fool Flash and went straight into heavy tier 3 macro on 4 bases. It almost worked, until Flash hit at just the perfect moment, Even a minute more would have seen Jaedong gain an insurmountable advantage with swarm and ultraling while Flash only had midgame tech.

Tricks.. Hopefully, Zero can capitalize on this. He shouldnt think of outmicroing Flash, but maybe Zero can do something different enough to catch Flash off guard.


I dont know man, while i defnly agree w the Starsense part, i just dont agree w the rest.

I dont think that Flash has the best micro in the scene.. He got out-microed by Baby not too recently, i think Bisu has better micro that Flash does too (im a Bisu fan so take it w a grain of salt, though i dont feel that i am being biased).. And as you said, Jaedong can match FLash' micro as well. Im sure there are a few others that i cant think of off the top of my head rite now


's far as macro goes, Stork n BeSt both look to be able to match Flash in macro.. I dont think that Zero will lose in a macro game either. Hell even Action gave Flash a good run for his money when Flash failed to finish the game before Hive Tech. There are a few more too im sure, but there are some, just sayin'

So yea, Flash ownz cos his Starsense rulez, his micro and macro are great, but not "the best", imo
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
June 08 2011 18:42 GMT
#344
On June 08 2011 21:12 Roffles wrote:
It's likely they have no pregame entertainment as well.

No offense to people who like Kpop, but this is great news, at least to me.
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Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
June 08 2011 19:01 GMT
#345
Go Flash! Finalize your legacy! With this victory you will be the greatest in every way! 3 + 3 Damn straight! (Ofc NAda had 3+3 too but Flash has outshone him in every other way (except body of course))
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
Ermac
Profile Joined June 2011
336 Posts
June 08 2011 19:03 GMT
#346
On June 09 2011 03:05 ffreakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 12:54 WaterTower wrote:
Im glad everyone here got the point. It is impossible to beat Flash at what he's good at.

Micro.. After watching almost every Flash game of the past year, it is clear that JD is the only person who can outmicro Flash in general. I just haven't seen it be done by anyone else.

Macro.. Once again, JD is the only person who generally outmacros Flash. Zerg usually needs a base more than terran to be on even territory, but Jaedong regularly gets 2 or 3 more than Flash.

Starsense.. Flash is #1 in the world. This is the factor that allowed him to have a slight winning percentage against Jaedong. He predicts things perfectly in many occasions. The Hana MSL game 1 is the perfect example. Jaedong tried to fool Flash and went straight into heavy tier 3 macro on 4 bases. It almost worked, until Flash hit at just the perfect moment, Even a minute more would have seen Jaedong gain an insurmountable advantage with swarm and ultraling while Flash only had midgame tech.

Tricks.. Hopefully, Zero can capitalize on this. He shouldnt think of outmicroing Flash, but maybe Zero can do something different enough to catch Flash off guard.


I dont know man, while i defnly agree w the Starsense part, i just dont agree w the rest.

I dont think that Flash has the best micro in the scene.. He got out-microed by Baby not too recently, i think Bisu has better micro that Flash does too (im a Bisu fan so take it w a grain of salt, though i dont feel that i am being biased).. And as you said, Jaedong can match FLash' micro as well. Im sure there are a few others that i cant think of off the top of my head rite now


's far as macro goes, Stork n BeSt both look to be able to match Flash in macro.. I dont think that Zero will lose in a macro game either. Hell even Action gave Flash a good run for his money when Flash failed to finish the game before Hive Tech. There are a few more too im sure, but there are some, just sayin'

So yea, Flash ownz cos his Starsense rulez, his micro and macro are great, but not "the best", imo


So basically Flash is the best player in the world only because of his star sense? Doesn't convince me.

He also has impeccable decision making, perfect timing and he's always one step ahead in mind games. His macro and micro may be matched by some specialists(e.g. BeSt) but there's not a single player I would clearly call better at micro or macro than Flash.

ZerO is a QT and I love his style and attitude, but he hasn't yet convinced me that he can do more than take single games from Flash. But then again I've been a Flash fan since the first minute so maybe I'm a bit biased.. ^^

"Blind aggressiveness would destroy the attack itself, not the defense." - Carl von Clausewitz
KTF_CloaK
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1338 Posts
June 08 2011 19:27 GMT
#347
On June 09 2011 04:03 Ermac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 03:05 ffreakk wrote:
On June 08 2011 12:54 WaterTower wrote:
Im glad everyone here got the point. It is impossible to beat Flash at what he's good at.

Micro.. After watching almost every Flash game of the past year, it is clear that JD is the only person who can outmicro Flash in general. I just haven't seen it be done by anyone else.

Macro.. Once again, JD is the only person who generally outmacros Flash. Zerg usually needs a base more than terran to be on even territory, but Jaedong regularly gets 2 or 3 more than Flash.

Starsense.. Flash is #1 in the world. This is the factor that allowed him to have a slight winning percentage against Jaedong. He predicts things perfectly in many occasions. The Hana MSL game 1 is the perfect example. Jaedong tried to fool Flash and went straight into heavy tier 3 macro on 4 bases. It almost worked, until Flash hit at just the perfect moment, Even a minute more would have seen Jaedong gain an insurmountable advantage with swarm and ultraling while Flash only had midgame tech.

Tricks.. Hopefully, Zero can capitalize on this. He shouldnt think of outmicroing Flash, but maybe Zero can do something different enough to catch Flash off guard.


I dont know man, while i defnly agree w the Starsense part, i just dont agree w the rest.

I dont think that Flash has the best micro in the scene.. He got out-microed by Baby not too recently, i think Bisu has better micro that Flash does too (im a Bisu fan so take it w a grain of salt, though i dont feel that i am being biased).. And as you said, Jaedong can match FLash' micro as well. Im sure there are a few others that i cant think of off the top of my head rite now


's far as macro goes, Stork n BeSt both look to be able to match Flash in macro.. I dont think that Zero will lose in a macro game either. Hell even Action gave Flash a good run for his money when Flash failed to finish the game before Hive Tech. There are a few more too im sure, but there are some, just sayin'

So yea, Flash ownz cos his Starsense rulez, his micro and macro are great, but not "the best", imo


So basically Flash is the best player in the world only because of his star sense? Doesn't convince me.

He also has impeccable decision making, perfect timing and he's always one step ahead in mind games. His macro and micro may be matched by some specialists(e.g. BeSt) but there's not a single player I would clearly call better at micro or macro than Flash.

ZerO is a QT and I love his style and attitude, but he hasn't yet convinced me that he can do more than take single games from Flash. But then again I've been a Flash fan since the first minute so maybe I'm a bit biased.. ^^



QFT, and whereas specialists like Best can match his macro, he outshines him in every other aspect like mindgames and starsense and micro and whatnot, FlaSh is God, but in my eyes he will always be.

Although I'm am the biggest ultimate FlaSh fan (so biased) Flash is better than every other player in the scene now, and I just don't see him losing in a BO5 (or every other game for that matter )

KT Rolster for the win!! Lee-Young-Ho hwaiting!!
Doughboy
Profile Joined April 2010
United States721 Posts
June 08 2011 19:36 GMT
#348
So many of these "I don't see Flash losing a Bo5" posts remind me of the semifinals. Just replace Flash with JD and you get the same ZerO nay-saying that only takes one player's history into account
"Don't be distracted by the what if's, should'ves, and if onlys. The one thing you choose yourself - THAT is the truth of your universe." Fav T: Sea, Leta, Really Fav P: Free, Snow Fav Z: ZerO, GGplay, Jaedong, Neo.G_Soulkey
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
June 08 2011 20:46 GMT
#349
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jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
June 08 2011 21:24 GMT
#350
This thread has all the hype you need for Zero:

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doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
June 08 2011 21:25 GMT
#351
We require additional hype!
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ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 22:28:10
June 08 2011 22:19 GMT
#352
On June 09 2011 04:36 Doughboy wrote:
So many of these "I don't see Flash losing a Bo5" posts remind me of the semifinals. Just replace Flash with JD and you get the same ZerO nay-saying that only takes one player's history into account


Hi five for Zero, bro!

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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 22:57:39
June 08 2011 22:47 GMT
#353
On June 09 2011 04:36 Doughboy wrote:
So many of these "I don't see Flash losing a Bo5" posts remind me of the semifinals.

The difference is that Flash is actually like 9-1 in his last 10 Bo5s compared to JDs 5-5 (or whatever it is).
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
June 08 2011 23:25 GMT
#354
On June 09 2011 04:36 Doughboy wrote:
So many of these "I don't see Flash losing a Bo5" posts remind me of the semifinals. Just replace Flash with JD and you get the same ZerO nay-saying that only takes one player's history into account

ZerOs too unproven, mental edge is important in Bo5s, and Flash is a beast in Bo5s. That and ZerO vs JD was a ZvZ the most highly unpredictable matchup.
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Cres
Profile Joined November 2008
United States227 Posts
June 08 2011 23:49 GMT
#355
On June 08 2011 21:12 Roffles wrote:
It's likely they have no pregame entertainment as well.

Well if IU was the pregame entertainment Im sure Zero would be very excited
Fae
gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
June 09 2011 00:44 GMT
#356
The MSL Final isnt even listed on the TL calendar...
It's like the TL admins are letting us down, maybe they want to close the BW section in the end...
elmizzt
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3309 Posts
June 09 2011 00:57 GMT
#357
On June 09 2011 09:44 gds wrote:
The MSL Final isnt even listed on the TL calendar...
It's like the TL admins are letting us down, maybe they want to close the BW section in the end...

don't say that... T_T
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ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
June 09 2011 01:13 GMT
#358
I have a feeling that this final will be great. No way I'm missing it

btw awesom op
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 01:49:43
June 09 2011 01:37 GMT
#359
On June 09 2011 09:44 gds wrote:
The MSL Final isnt even listed on the TL calendar...
It's like the TL admins are letting us down, maybe they want to close the BW section in the end...

You seem to forget we hav an MSL team trying hard to get you an awesome final preview, a PL team covering every single week of proleague and an OSL team waiting for the it to start to bring you coverage. Ignoring all the work the team still puts in BroodWar like this is downright disrespectful
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gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 01:51:43
June 09 2011 01:50 GMT
#360
yes you're right, i spoke a bit too fast, but when i saw that the great msl final wasnt even listed my poor little soul has been overwhelmed by a fit of depression
keep it up TL BW team!
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