EPT[MSL] Grand Final - Page 18
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blahz0r
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On June 08 2011 12:54 WaterTower wrote: Im glad everyone here got the point. It is impossible to beat Flash at what he's good at. Micro.. After watching almost every Flash game of the past year, it is clear that JD is the only person who can outmicro Flash in general. I just haven't seen it be done by anyone else. Macro.. Once again, JD is the only person who generally outmacros Flash. Zerg usually needs a base more than terran to be on even territory, but Jaedong regularly gets 2 or 3 more than Flash. Starsense.. Flash is #1 in the world. This is the factor that allowed him to have a slight winning percentage against Jaedong. He predicts things perfectly in many occasions. The Hana MSL game 1 is the perfect example. Jaedong tried to fool Flash and went straight into heavy tier 3 macro on 4 bases. It almost worked, until Flash hit at just the perfect moment, Even a minute more would have seen Jaedong gain an insurmountable advantage with swarm and ultraling while Flash only had midgame tech. Tricks.. Hopefully, Zero can capitalize on this. He shouldnt think of outmicroing Flash, but maybe Zero can do something different enough to catch Flash off guard. I dont know man, while i defnly agree w the Starsense part, i just dont agree w the rest. I dont think that Flash has the best micro in the scene.. He got out-microed by Baby not too recently, i think Bisu has better micro that Flash does too (im a Bisu fan so take it w a grain of salt, though i dont feel that i am being biased).. And as you said, Jaedong can match FLash' micro as well. Im sure there are a few others that i cant think of off the top of my head rite now 's far as macro goes, Stork n BeSt both look to be able to match Flash in macro.. I dont think that Zero will lose in a macro game either. Hell even Action gave Flash a good run for his money when Flash failed to finish the game before Hive Tech. There are a few more too im sure, but there are some, just sayin' So yea, Flash ownz cos his Starsense rulez, his micro and macro are great, but not "the best", imo | ||
mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
On June 08 2011 21:12 Roffles wrote: It's likely they have no pregame entertainment as well. No offense to people who like Kpop, but this is great news, at least to me. | ||
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Grend
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Ermac
336 Posts
On June 09 2011 03:05 ffreakk wrote: I dont know man, while i defnly agree w the Starsense part, i just dont agree w the rest. I dont think that Flash has the best micro in the scene.. He got out-microed by Baby not too recently, i think Bisu has better micro that Flash does too (im a Bisu fan so take it w a grain of salt, though i dont feel that i am being biased).. And as you said, Jaedong can match FLash' micro as well. Im sure there are a few others that i cant think of off the top of my head rite now 's far as macro goes, Stork n BeSt both look to be able to match Flash in macro.. I dont think that Zero will lose in a macro game either. Hell even Action gave Flash a good run for his money when Flash failed to finish the game before Hive Tech. There are a few more too im sure, but there are some, just sayin' So yea, Flash ownz cos his Starsense rulez, his micro and macro are great, but not "the best", imo So basically Flash is the best player in the world only because of his star sense? Doesn't convince me. He also has impeccable decision making, perfect timing and he's always one step ahead in mind games. His macro and micro may be matched by some specialists(e.g. BeSt) but there's not a single player I would clearly call better at micro or macro than Flash. ZerO is a QT and I love his style and attitude, but he hasn't yet convinced me that he can do more than take single games from Flash. But then again I've been a Flash fan since the first minute so maybe I'm a bit biased.. ^^ | ||
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KTF_CloaK
Netherlands1338 Posts
On June 09 2011 04:03 Ermac wrote: So basically Flash is the best player in the world only because of his star sense? Doesn't convince me. He also has impeccable decision making, perfect timing and he's always one step ahead in mind games. His macro and micro may be matched by some specialists(e.g. BeSt) but there's not a single player I would clearly call better at micro or macro than Flash. ZerO is a QT and I love his style and attitude, but he hasn't yet convinced me that he can do more than take single games from Flash. But then again I've been a Flash fan since the first minute so maybe I'm a bit biased.. ^^ QFT, and whereas specialists like Best can match his macro, he outshines him in every other aspect like mindgames and starsense and micro and whatnot, FlaSh is God, but in my eyes he will always be. Although I'm am the biggest ultimate FlaSh fan (so biased) Flash is better than every other player in the scene now, and I just don't see him losing in a BO5 (or every other game for that matter  ) | ||
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Doughboy
United States721 Posts
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RandomAccount#49059
United States2140 Posts
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
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doothegee
Korea (South)3011 Posts
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On June 09 2011 04:36 Doughboy wrote: So many of these "I don't see Flash losing a Bo5" posts remind me of the semifinals. Just replace Flash with JD and you get the same ZerO nay-saying that only takes one player's history into account Hi five for Zero, bro! random zero pic ![[image loading]](http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.glogster.com/media/2/11/31/28/11312806.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mastersorcerer.glogster.com/zero/&usg=__qQkif73VqfHILif-G-GBX7F3Eeg=&h=286&w=343&sz=53&hl=en&start=0&sig2=d3O55s-8cr0imfBUQWQTFg&zoom=1&tbnid=xDs3yTDbVsSU7M:&tbnh=153&tbnw=183&ei=QPfvTcb6IoaAOqHhjd4B&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dzero%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DYnm%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1525%26bih%3D643%26tbm%3Disch%26prmd%3Divns&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=508&page=1&ndsp=26&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:0&tx=77&ty=99&biw=1525&bih=643) | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On June 09 2011 04:36 Doughboy wrote: So many of these "I don't see Flash losing a Bo5" posts remind me of the semifinals. The difference is that Flash is actually like 9-1 in his last 10 Bo5s compared to JDs 5-5 (or whatever it is). | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On June 09 2011 04:36 Doughboy wrote: So many of these "I don't see Flash losing a Bo5" posts remind me of the semifinals. Just replace Flash with JD and you get the same ZerO nay-saying that only takes one player's history into account ZerOs too unproven, mental edge is important in Bo5s, and Flash is a beast in Bo5s. That and ZerO vs JD was a ZvZ the most highly unpredictable matchup. | ||
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Cres
United States227 Posts
On June 08 2011 21:12 Roffles wrote: It's likely they have no pregame entertainment as well. Well if IU was the pregame entertainment Im sure Zero would be very excited | ||
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gds
Iceland1391 Posts
It's like the TL admins are letting us down, maybe they want to close the BW section in the end... | ||
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
On June 09 2011 09:44 gds wrote: The MSL Final isnt even listed on the TL calendar... It's like the TL admins are letting us down, maybe they want to close the BW section in the end... don't say that... T_T | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
 btw awesom op | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On June 09 2011 09:44 gds wrote: The MSL Final isnt even listed on the TL calendar... It's like the TL admins are letting us down, maybe they want to close the BW section in the end... You seem to forget we hav an MSL team trying hard to get you an awesome final preview, a PL team covering every single week of proleague and an OSL team waiting for the it to start to bring you coverage. Ignoring all the work the team still puts in BroodWar like this is downright disrespectful | ||
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gds
Iceland1391 Posts
keep it up TL BW team! | ||
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