mutas were used so inefficiently this game. Jaedong's april curse has come this may to audiences of all ages. Find it in the Teamliquid livestream nearest you.
This is a shitty position but jaedong isn't TOTALLY out of it. Horang's mining 1 base with another 1coming up, while jaedong is on 3 fresh bases. . Gotta remember the main and nat of horang are mined
On May 11 2011 13:27 loveeholicce wrote: This is a shitty position but jaedong isn't TOTALLY out of it. Horang's mining 1 base with another 1coming up, while jaedong is on 3 fresh bases. . Gotta remember the main and nat of horang are mined
On May 11 2011 13:27 loveeholicce wrote: This is a shitty position but jaedong isn't TOTALLY out of it. Horang's mining 1 base with another 1coming up, while jaedong is on 3 fresh bases. . Gotta remember the main and nat of horang are mined
it's not often you see the protoss army THAT MUCH BIGGER than the zerg one horang2 backs off from swarms for a moment but his sairs continue hunting ovies
Jaedong deserves a ton of credit for holding on. Horang2 must be started to get frustrated ... or is he enjoying himself, being able to harass constantly?
horang2 walking right into jd's 4th, killing all the drones despite swarm now chased out by some hydraling reinforcements, and a lurker too comes back to storm the lurker
horang2 leaving reavers at all of his mining bases storm drops jd's 3rd at 7.5, kills almost all the drones drops a sacrificial zealot too, now the speedshuttle runs away successfully
swarms appear as archon/zealot attacking jd's 4th, templar dropped, storm on bunched drones but most still survive templar dropped at jd's 3rd, some drones stormed
horang2 backs his army AWAY from jd's base again now moving in again
lurkerling rushing from the back to try to save the place, horang2's storms on the incoming units aren't very good
but horang2 crushes jd's 4th and now moves into the 3rd, no defense there as long as horang2 stalls on the ramp and attacks with his other units jd will lose a lot
Jaedong was mining 3 bases with a 4th starting to get saturated. I come back after making a sandwich and hes lost his main and his natural. Any1 care to explain wat happened? oO
On May 11 2011 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote: horang2 4 bonjwa 2011
um no. Put him against flash, and 10 times out of 10 flash will win. Jaedong was just being notoriously greedy, not starting hydra production until very very late.
On May 11 2011 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote: horang2 4 bonjwa 2011
um no. Put him against flash, and 10 times out of 10 flash will win. Jaedong was just being notoriously greedy, not starting hydra production until very very late.
On May 11 2011 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote: horang2 4 bonjwa 2011
um no. Put him against flash, and 10 times out of 10 flash will win. Jaedong was just being notoriously greedy, not starting hydra production until very very late.
On May 11 2011 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote: horang2 4 bonjwa 2011
um no. Put him against flash right now, and 10 times out of 10 flash will win. Jaedong was just being notoriously greedy, not starting hydra production until very very late.
r u for rela bro
he had a few hydras when horang's attack came.
and yes. Flash scouts his opponents, and building enough factories, and enough supply depot walls.
On May 11 2011 13:37 loveeholicce wrote: Jaedong was mining 3 bases with a 4th starting to get saturated. I come back after making a sandwich and hes lost his main and his natural. Any1 care to explain wat happened? oO
Jaedong pretty much went for his mutalisk timing.... against 5 corsairs and 2 canons. so that failed badly... Jaedong knew he was behind, so he tried it again (?) and managed to snipe the nexus. Meanwhile, protoss had amassed a large 2 base army (no hts only archons) and just pushed jaedong's nat breaking like 10 sunkens.
On May 11 2011 13:37 loveeholicce wrote: Jaedong was mining 3 bases with a 4th starting to get saturated. I come back after making a sandwich and hes lost his main and his natural. Any1 care to explain wat happened? oO
Jaedong pretty much went for his mutalisk timing.... against 5 corsairs and 2 canons. so that failed badly... Jaedong knew he was behind, so he tried it again (?) and managed to snipe the nexus. Meanwhile, protoss had amassed a large 2 base army (no hts only archons) and just pushed jaedong's nat breaking like 10 sunkens.
yeah jd's management was pretty spot on.
i feel if he ends his current fetish with early mutas, he'd do much better.
On May 11 2011 13:37 BlackMagister wrote: Horang2 > Jaedong without cheese
Horang2's not really known for cheese anymore.
I know this, I'm a big Horang2 fan, but if you told me Horang2 beat Jaedong I would assume cheese because Horang2 has not shown any good PvZ games yet. Well maybe if Horang2 does his 10 gateway attack, but that's about it.
Does anyone notice that horang2 does the same shit almost every game, every matchup? Some type of mass-gateway 2 base push that usually works very well.
On May 11 2011 13:37 loveeholicce wrote: Jaedong was mining 3 bases with a 4th starting to get saturated. I come back after making a sandwich and hes lost his main and his natural. Any1 care to explain wat happened? oO
Jaedong pretty much went for his mutalisk timing.... against 5 corsairs and 2 canons. so that failed badly... Jaedong knew he was behind, so he tried it again (?) and managed to snipe the nexus. Meanwhile, protoss had amassed a large 2 base army (no hts only archons) and just pushed jaedong's nat breaking like 10 sunkens.
It was the type of attack movie mentioned horang2 does vZ. I think he said pretech timings where protoss can get it done by using mass gateways.
On May 11 2011 13:44 iamho wrote: Does anyone notice that horang2 does the same shit almost every game, every matchup? Some type of mass-gateway 2 base push that usually works very well.
If it works, do it. Players are greedy. The build is agressive.
On May 11 2011 13:37 loveeholicce wrote: Jaedong was mining 3 bases with a 4th starting to get saturated. I come back after making a sandwich and hes lost his main and his natural. Any1 care to explain wat happened? oO
Too busy hardcore mutaing it up and got not much troops to defend 8gateway worth of units production at the time. Horang2 loses his main nexus and all the probes there + his 3rd nexus just to kill Jaedong's main and natural then put the 2 nexus back safely while jaedong was stuck in his 3rd and 4th with only muta for map control.
On May 11 2011 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote: horang2 4 bonjwa 2011
um no. Put him against flash, and 10 times out of 10 flash will win. Jaedong was just being notoriously greedy, not starting hydra production until very very late.
what are you talkin about hroang2 just beat jaedong he can beat anyone right now
On May 11 2011 13:37 BlackMagister wrote: Horang2 > Jaedong without cheese
Horang2's not really known for cheese anymore.
I know this, I'm a big Horang2 fan, but if you told me Horang2 beat Jaedong I would assume cheese because Horang2 has not shown any good PvZ games yet. Well maybe if Horang2 does his 10 gateway attack, but that's about it.
I like horang2, but does he ever do anything other than mass gates vZ?
On May 11 2011 13:44 iamho wrote: Does anyone notice that horang2 does the same shit almost every game, every matchup? Some type of mass-gateway 2 base push that usually works very well.
I'm not complaining. As long as his opponents don't learn, it leads to good games.
On May 11 2011 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote: horang2 4 bonjwa 2011
um no. Put him against flash, and 10 times out of 10 flash will win. Jaedong was just being notoriously greedy, not starting hydra production until very very late.
what are you talkin about hroang2 just beat jaedong he can beat anyone right now
Not to mention Flash just lose to Much recently with that heavy gateway style of play.
On May 11 2011 13:37 BlackMagister wrote: Horang2 > Jaedong without cheese
Horang2's not really known for cheese anymore.
I know this, I'm a big Horang2 fan, but if you told me Horang2 beat Jaedong I would assume cheese because Horang2 has not shown any good PvZ games yet. Well maybe if Horang2 does his 10 gateway attack, but that's about it.
I like horang2, but does he ever do anything other than mass gates vZ?
Probably not if you only count games he has won. Fans can notice Horang2's shaky PvZ and Horang2 admits it's his weakness.
On May 11 2011 13:37 BlackMagister wrote: Horang2 > Jaedong without cheese
Horang2's not really known for cheese anymore.
I know this, I'm a big Horang2 fan, but if you told me Horang2 beat Jaedong I would assume cheese because Horang2 has not shown any good PvZ games yet. Well maybe if Horang2 does his 10 gateway attack, but that's about it.
I like horang2, but does he ever do anything other than mass gates vZ?
if its working well and other players dont counter it, i see no reason not to do it
On May 11 2011 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote: horang2 4 bonjwa 2011
um no. Put him against flash, and 10 times out of 10 flash will win. Jaedong was just being notoriously greedy, not starting hydra production until very very late.
what are you talkin about hroang2 just beat jaedong he can beat anyone right now
Jaedong played uh Badly Suicide overlord into cannon is almost free overlord kill for first corsair. Scourge micro was less than sub-par Scouting was non-existant. Scourge muta timing was terrible. Base trade only works when you end up ahead on bases as a zerg, not even.
Watch Jaedong vs Kal @ nate MSL for top level play. This is far from it.
On May 11 2011 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote: horang2 4 bonjwa 2011
um no. Put him against flash right now, and 10 times out of 10 flash will win. Jaedong was just being notoriously greedy, not starting hydra production until very very late.
r u for rela bro
he had a few hydras when horang's attack came.
and yes. Flash scouts his opponents, and building enough factories, and enough supply depot walls.
Flash started his bonjwa deep into 2009.
if flash is a bonjwa how come jaedong beat him? therefore jaedong = new bonjwa if jaedong is bonjwa how come horang2 beat him?
On May 11 2011 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote: horang2 4 bonjwa 2011
um no. Put him against flash, and 10 times out of 10 flash will win. Jaedong was just being notoriously greedy, not starting hydra production until very very late.
what are you talkin about hroang2 just beat jaedong he can beat anyone right now
Jaedong played uh Badly Suicide overlord into cannon is almost free overlord kill for first corsair. Scourge micro was less than sub-par Scouting was non-existant. Scourge muta timing was terrible. Base trade only works when you end up ahead on bases as a zerg, not even.
Watch Jaedong vs Kal @ nate MSL for top level play. This is far from it.
Kal is really bad he has a horrible record in his last 30 games.
On the other hand horang2 is too good. You know what the "2" in horang2 stands for? "2good".
On May 11 2011 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote: horang2 4 bonjwa 2011
um no. Put him against flash, and 10 times out of 10 flash will win. Jaedong was just being notoriously greedy, not starting hydra production until very very late.
what are you talkin about hroang2 just beat jaedong he can beat anyone right now
Jaedong played uh Badly Suicide overlord into cannon is almost free overlord kill for first corsair. Scourge micro was less than sub-par Scouting was non-existant. Scourge muta timing was terrible. Base trade only works when you end up ahead on bases as a zerg, not even.
Watch Jaedong vs Kal @ nate MSL for top level play. This is far from it.
On May 11 2011 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote: horang2 4 bonjwa 2011
um no. Put him against flash, and 10 times out of 10 flash will win. Jaedong was just being notoriously greedy, not starting hydra production until very very late.
what are you talkin about hroang2 just beat jaedong he can beat anyone right now
Not to mention Flash just lose to Much recently with that heavy gateway style of play.
On May 11 2011 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote: horang2 4 bonjwa 2011
um no. Put him against flash, and 10 times out of 10 flash will win. Jaedong was just being notoriously greedy, not starting hydra production until very very late.
what are you talkin about hroang2 just beat jaedong he can beat anyone right now
Not to mention Flash just lose to Much recently with that heavy gateway style of play.
On May 11 2011 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote: horang2 4 bonjwa 2011
um no. Put him against flash, and 10 times out of 10 flash will win. Jaedong was just being notoriously greedy, not starting hydra production until very very late.
what are you talkin about hroang2 just beat jaedong he can beat anyone right now
Jaedong played uh Badly Suicide overlord into cannon is almost free overlord kill for first corsair. Scourge micro was less than sub-par Scouting was non-existant. Scourge muta timing was terrible. Base trade only works when you end up ahead on bases as a zerg, not even.
Watch Jaedong vs Kal @ nate MSL for top level play. This is far from it.
So you'll only give Jaedong credits when his play works but doesn't give the other player the credits when they beat him?
I am a huge flash fan but like I said again, Flash lose to Much a few days ago and that looks like the same style of play Horang2 plays.
On May 11 2011 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote: horang2 4 bonjwa 2011
um no. Put him against flash, and 10 times out of 10 flash will win. Jaedong was just being notoriously greedy, not starting hydra production until very very late.
what are you talkin about hroang2 just beat jaedong he can beat anyone right now
Jaedong played uh Badly Suicide overlord into cannon is almost free overlord kill for first corsair. Scourge micro was less than sub-par Scouting was non-existant. Scourge muta timing was terrible. Base trade only works when you end up ahead on bases as a zerg, not even.
Watch Jaedong vs Kal @ nate MSL for top level play. This is far from it.
Kal is really bad he has a horrible record in his last 30 games.
On the other hand horang2 is too good. You know what the "2" in horang2 stands for? "2good".
Dear soulkey, great, and whoever else likes to drag out ZvZ, Just take the BO win like hydra, and win it. No point in making a bigger deal of somehting than it hsould be.
On May 11 2011 13:53 Elroi wrote: wtf? Baxter? why would he ever do that?
He uses Baxter once in a while. Or used it a while ago. One of those.
haha That's not what I meant. I just wonderd why he engaged in that ling vs ling battle when he had half as many lings as hydra. I guess it was just desperation because of the bad BO.
On May 11 2011 13:53 Elroi wrote: wtf? Baxter? why would he ever do that?
He uses Baxter once in a while. Or used it a while ago. One of those.
haha That's not what I meant. I just wonderd why he engaged in that ling vs ling battle when he had half as many lings as hydra. I guess it was just desperation because of the bad BO.
Remember the Jaedong 80% approach to 9p vs 12p? Use the earlier speed and dance around, out micro, pick of a zergling there, damage the hatchery here, do something significant before the zerglings die. People have gotten a lot better since then. Guess killer learned from the dong.
On May 11 2011 13:53 Elroi wrote: wtf? Baxter? why would he ever do that?
He uses Baxter once in a while. Or used it a while ago. One of those.
haha That's not what I meant. I just wonderd why he engaged in that ling vs ling battle when he had half as many lings as hydra. I guess it was just desperation because of the bad BO.
Remember the Jaedong 80% approach to 9p vs 12p? Use the earlier speed and dance around, out micro, pick of a zergling there, damage the hatchery here, do something significant before the zerglings die. People have gotten a lot better since then. Guess killer learned from the dong.
Ling micro you mean? I think more z than Jaedong try that from time to time.
On May 11 2011 14:09 JSH wrote: Jin Yong Hwa hwaiting!
Unfortunately his PvP is abysmal
vP: 19-32 (37.25%)
Well if you want to look at stats PerfectMan's is worse. Movie's PvP is supposedly good during inhouse games and he practices with Horang2, although Horang2 claims he loses on purpose lololol.
On May 11 2011 14:09 JSH wrote: Jin Yong Hwa hwaiting!
Unfortunately his PvP is abysmal
vP: 19-32 (37.25%)
Well if you want to look at stats PerfectMan's is worse. Movie's PvP is supposedly good during inhouse games and he practices with Horang2, although Horang2 claims he loses on purpose lololol.
On May 11 2011 15:01 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Too bad Horang2 doesn't get a chance to 10-gate Jaedong in Bo5. Now we have to watch Grape get slaughtered.
Sad killer lost, happy Horang2 won, but feeling unfulfilled with the 4-0 ...
That's what I thought before the Jaedong vs Snow Ro8. GJ CJ(I rhymed!)!!!
So, in a 10 minute break at school, i come and look at the results just to see that Jaedong lost to Horang2. And well, perfectman, lomo and killer lost as well. And why didn't oz play hiya instead of lomo?
On May 11 2011 12:42 Yxes2211 wrote: Please give me JD vs. Toss... give me an idea of where JD's vP is at
Got your wish?
Horang2 bonjwa ^^ lol havent watch the games yet but Im quite happy for the results! Just saw your post in the first page and couldnt resist xD sorry...
I just hope that this playstyle is a purposed trololololololo by Jaedong, and he's going play absolutely different style tomorrow. Just to convince Grape that he will have to play against an aggressive zerg
For some reason JD decides to go fast Muta and then throws his whole army away fighting corsairs on top of Photon Cannons. While he's behind he goes for a base trade for some reason. (then he fights on his heels for 20 minutes). Very weird game...
first thought: oh yeah only 4 games and jd played vs horang2 - oz steamrolled them! second thought (after checking the results): lol. third thought: where is hiya? you can't pick lomo in an important 4th game. YOU JUST CAN'T.
Seems like Horang2 - JD isn't too recommended but I still can't wait for the VODs to be out - his PvZ style is really, really fun to watch. It's uncanny how zergs just roll over and die to it even when they know it's coming, and they would because he does it EVERY game. Nonetheless, JD was the last zerg I'd expect to succumb to it...but wow. I'll have to watch it to see how it really went.
On May 12 2011 01:29 Archers_bane wrote: lol overall bad games? The recommended section is not getting any love haha guess ill just pass this matchup :D
Horang2 vs JD was a pretty sweet game, just too many OZ fans floating around I think. Jaedong could have played better but H2 went in like a boss.
On May 12 2011 08:28 Kyuukyuu wrote: Xellos reminds me of Upmagic in that picture
Flash for many is considered "perfect" because his ability to play total turtly into total cheesy by abusing the Terran to the maximum ability. His stoned self is Upmagic and Xellos is the actual perfect Terran so I guess if you mixed it around, you'll get that Xellos is a Upmagic look-alike?
On May 12 2011 17:32 micromegas wrote: Jaedong lost because of an unusual bout of terrible, terribel decision making. Horang2 sucks. He won because of an A-move. End of story.
Don't be mad dude. I'm sure JD will beat Horang some day
On May 12 2011 17:32 micromegas wrote: Jaedong lost because of an unusual bout of terrible, terribel decision making. Horang2 sucks. He won because of an A-move. End of story.
On May 12 2011 17:32 micromegas wrote: Jaedong lost because of an unusual bout of terrible, terribel decision making. Horang2 sucks. He won because of an A-move. End of story.
Pure fanboyism?
Doubt it, he had no good words for Jaedong either.
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