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aupstar
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia912 Posts
April 21 2011 14:03 GMT
#4401
On April 21 2011 22:52 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2011 22:49 aupstar wrote:
[image loading]


Bwahahaha, he's not bouncing on his chair right now, is he?


Nope..

+ Show Spoiler +
I have a hunch Flash lost on purpose just so he can pwn him twice..
Firebats, the natural enemy of octozerg
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
April 21 2011 14:04 GMT
#4402
Flash: Hey JD, whoever loses gets to beat Bisu again can I do it?
JD: Hmmm, okay just afk your army and let my lurkers kill you.
Flash: ok
always tired -_-
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5643 Posts
April 21 2011 14:05 GMT
#4403
This MSL is like a bucket of ice cream on a hot summer day.
aupstar
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia912 Posts
April 21 2011 14:05 GMT
#4404
On April 21 2011 23:04 AppleTart wrote:
Flash: Hey JD, whoever loses gets to beat Bisu again can I do it?
JD: Hmmm, okay just afk your army and let my lurkers kill you.
Flash: ok


LOL

Great minds think alike..<3
Firebats, the natural enemy of octozerg
Renkaoru
Profile Joined October 2010
390 Posts
April 21 2011 14:06 GMT
#4405
On April 21 2011 22:58 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2011 22:56 Renkaoru wrote:
On April 21 2011 22:53 Enderbantoo wrote:
On April 21 2011 22:51 letian wrote:
Bisu just proved that his PvT lacks in many things, Do you remember last time he used ht's? or some nice reaver harass? dt's. His current games are all like carriers into gg or some mediocre macro game with mediocre arbiter play, thats it! Just watch Snow or Stork play. And before he changes anything, he is doomed to be on the backyard of the greatest. Its not enough to be a good Zerg killer anymore, you should prove you worth your place.
Prove me I'm wrong


WL finals 2011


Yeah, on a ridiculously PvT favored map.

In official games, this map is 0-5 P-T.
Don't argue map imbalance, Bisu outplayed Flash that time, and Flash won this time. It's not about map imba, unless you would like accept that this map also doesn't count.


I wasn't talking about this game, but the one played on SWL finals. I'm pretty sure I didn't say that this map is not imbalanced TvP.
God is in His heaven. All is right with the world.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
April 21 2011 14:06 GMT
#4406
On April 21 2011 22:58 hauton wrote:
IMHO, Bisu played uninspired and paid the price.

Flash played solid, but not spectacular - he gave Bisu chances. The very early ebay was for naught, and his spellcasting was atrocious - clumping vessels together, not EMPing enough and missing the few he did cast.

thats it, Bisu could have taken Flash out without doubt. Flash was not so dominant today, but even with such level he is able to pin down Bisu, well Bisu, I guess your fate is a one-legged kicker.
THM
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria1131 Posts
April 21 2011 14:06 GMT
#4407
Great games, had tons of fun watching, and I haven't seen any BW (except osl final) since sc2 started ;]
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
April 21 2011 14:06 GMT
#4408
On April 21 2011 22:58 Keone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2011 22:52 Garrl wrote:
On April 21 2011 22:51 letian wrote:
Bisu just proved that his PvT lacks in many things, Do you remember last time he used ht's? or some nice reaver harass? dt's. His current games are all like carriers into gg or some mediocre macro game with mediocre arbiter play, thats it! Just watch Snow or Stork play. And before he changes anything, he is doomed to be on the backyard of the greatest. Its not enough to be a good Zerg killer anymore, you should prove you worth your place.
Prove me I'm wrong


Yeah, his arbiter play was incredibly bad, the recall was terrible and the stasises were off time and off position.

Calm down man, Bisu actually played pretty well in some standards. He did pull out HT's at a very crucial moment, and despite Flash's constant harassments, he managed to suddenly pull a 5-base vs 3-base advantage at one point. His macro, too, was unbelievable; he almost destroyed Flash at the very end because he had pulled an enormous army out of nowhere, the crowd actually gasped when they realized Bisu had another army coming in. He did make, however, several crucial decision mistakes:

1. He didn't realize 6oclock was a trap. He went in with goons expecting to snipe an expo, but instead got trapped and lost all his units.

2. His arbiters did great jobs avoiding vessels and did awesome stasis moves, but I think he actually had too many stasis going on at once. Also, Bisu engaged Flash in narrow areas and bridges that were doomed to fail, because stasis allows for great walls for the terran.

3. He lost too many probes when he could have built his sim cities faster. He did eventually but by then the damage had been done.

This. What I think made bisu lose was his army engagement decisions, the when and how to tackle the push. Bisu should have waited for his army to get to a critical mass instead of sending one round of freshly macro'd troops after another.
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-21 14:12:13
April 21 2011 14:06 GMT
#4409

IMHO, Bisu played uninspired and paid the price.

Flash played solid, but not spectacular - he gave Bisu chances. The very early ebay was for naught, and his spellcasting was atrocious - clumping vessels together, not EMPing enough and missing the few he did cast.

thats it, Bisu could have taken Flash out without doubt. Flash was not so dominant today, but even with such level he is able to pin down Bisu, well Bisu, I guess he is doomed to be a one-legged kicker.

Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-21 14:09:26
April 21 2011 14:07 GMT
#4410
I think it was a brilliant move by Hydra and Great to create this group. I had a lot of fun.

Hehe, not going too well with that quoting there letian?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
April 21 2011 14:07 GMT
#4411
On April 21 2011 23:06 Renkaoru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2011 22:58 Lightwip wrote:
On April 21 2011 22:56 Renkaoru wrote:
On April 21 2011 22:53 Enderbantoo wrote:
On April 21 2011 22:51 letian wrote:
Bisu just proved that his PvT lacks in many things, Do you remember last time he used ht's? or some nice reaver harass? dt's. His current games are all like carriers into gg or some mediocre macro game with mediocre arbiter play, thats it! Just watch Snow or Stork play. And before he changes anything, he is doomed to be on the backyard of the greatest. Its not enough to be a good Zerg killer anymore, you should prove you worth your place.
Prove me I'm wrong


WL finals 2011


Yeah, on a ridiculously PvT favored map.

In official games, this map is 0-5 P-T.
Don't argue map imbalance, Bisu outplayed Flash that time, and Flash won this time. It's not about map imba, unless you would like accept that this map also doesn't count.


I wasn't talking about this game, but the one played on SWL finals. I'm pretty sure I didn't say that this map is not imbalanced TvP.

So what's your point? Both players can win on imbalanced maps.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
aupstar
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia912 Posts
April 21 2011 14:09 GMT
#4412
On April 21 2011 23:07 Holgerius wrote:
I think it was a brilliant move by Hydra and Great to create this group. I had a lot of fun.


Lol agreed. I hope we can see more great games in the near future! ^__^

I'd like to see how (Z)Neo.G_Soulkey does against Flash..:D
Firebats, the natural enemy of octozerg
dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
April 21 2011 14:10 GMT
#4413
On April 21 2011 23:07 Holgerius wrote:
I think it was a brilliant move by Hydra and Great to create this group. I had a lot of fun.

Hahah! That's easy to say in hindsight. What if Sea and Bisu advanced with JD Flash out? Now would that be so much fun?!¤!)¤=!)
Just kidding. :D
이제동 - 이영호 since '07.
Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
April 21 2011 14:10 GMT
#4414
This thread is amazing, think about how much hype a ro32 Group ever created?
Looking for ArcticCerebrate formerly from @USEast
Renkaoru
Profile Joined October 2010
390 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-21 14:14:40
April 21 2011 14:10 GMT
#4415
On April 21 2011 23:07 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2011 23:06 Renkaoru wrote:
On April 21 2011 22:58 Lightwip wrote:
On April 21 2011 22:56 Renkaoru wrote:
On April 21 2011 22:53 Enderbantoo wrote:
On April 21 2011 22:51 letian wrote:
Bisu just proved that his PvT lacks in many things, Do you remember last time he used ht's? or some nice reaver harass? dt's. His current games are all like carriers into gg or some mediocre macro game with mediocre arbiter play, thats it! Just watch Snow or Stork play. And before he changes anything, he is doomed to be on the backyard of the greatest. Its not enough to be a good Zerg killer anymore, you should prove you worth your place.
Prove me I'm wrong


WL finals 2011


Yeah, on a ridiculously PvT favored map.

In official games, this map is 0-5 P-T.
Don't argue map imbalance, Bisu outplayed Flash that time, and Flash won this time. It's not about map imba, unless you would like accept that this map also doesn't count.


I wasn't talking about this game, but the one played on SWL finals. I'm pretty sure I didn't say that this map is not imbalanced TvP.

So what's your point? Both players can win on imbalanced maps.


My point is I agree with what letian said. To quote him.

On April 21 2011 22:51 letian wrote:
Bisu just proved that his PvT lacks in many things, Do you remember last time he used ht's? or some nice reaver harass? dt's. His current games are all like carriers into gg or some mediocre macro game with mediocre arbiter play, thats it! Just watch Snow or Stork play. And before he changes anything, he is doomed to be on the backyard of the greatest. Its not enough to be a good Zerg killer anymore, you should prove you worth your place.
Prove me I'm wrong


Bisu does not have what it takes to beat Flash on a non-PvT map.
God is in His heaven. All is right with the world.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 21 2011 14:11 GMT
#4416
On April 21 2011 23:10 dibbaN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2011 23:07 Holgerius wrote:
I think it was a brilliant move by Hydra and Great to create this group. I had a lot of fun.

Hahah! That's easy to say in hindsight. What if Sea and Bisu advanced with JD Flash out? Now would that be so much fun?!¤!)¤=!)
Just kidding. :D

I've been saying the same thing since I first saw the group.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
April 21 2011 14:11 GMT
#4417
I like how Snow plays vs terrans, his engagements are so much more calculated and precise, and indeed he does use all the pallette of toss magic. He lacks some macro though but Its a pleasure to watch his careful play. When I watch Bisu play vsT, I have a feeling of failure from his side.
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
April 21 2011 14:11 GMT
#4418
On April 21 2011 22:55 SkelA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2011 22:49 fearus wrote:
Okay... this MSL is dead to me.


You are crazy. THis is the greatest MSL Ive ever seen till now. Awesome games so far.

To most Bisu fans, the quality of the tournament is directly proportional to how far Bisu progresses in a league. Hence, this MSL sucks balls to them.

Seriously speaking, though, I think everyone's hating on Bisu a bit much. The guy did great vs Flash in the last game on a difficult map, and honestly, there was at least one or two moments in which he could have won with slightly better positioning and angles. I'm not a Bisu-hater, so give the guy a break.

In other news, LEESSANG YEAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!!
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
April 21 2011 14:11 GMT
#4419
On April 21 2011 23:10 Armathai wrote:
This thread is amazing, think about how much hype a ro32 Group ever created?

I like how this group got an entire thread to itself and didn't just get lumped as a day 5 package with group H.
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
April 21 2011 14:12 GMT
#4420
On April 21 2011 22:58 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2011 22:56 Renkaoru wrote:
On April 21 2011 22:53 Enderbantoo wrote:
On April 21 2011 22:51 letian wrote:
Bisu just proved that his PvT lacks in many things, Do you remember last time he used ht's? or some nice reaver harass? dt's. His current games are all like carriers into gg or some mediocre macro game with mediocre arbiter play, thats it! Just watch Snow or Stork play. And before he changes anything, he is doomed to be on the backyard of the greatest. Its not enough to be a good Zerg killer anymore, you should prove you worth your place.
Prove me I'm wrong


WL finals 2011


Yeah, on a ridiculously PvT favored map.

In official games, this map is 0-5 P-T.
Don't argue map imbalance, Bisu outplayed Flash that time, and Flash won this time. It's not about map imba, unless you would like accept that this map also doesn't count.

Oh come on, that's so arbitrary.

"Sorry, MST Prelims don't matter whatsoever. MST itself? Totally valid!"

It's not like those other 12 games were Dream League or whatever. Aztec is obviously imbalanced (30-35% TvP, televised-only or not, over a significant sample size.
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