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readY_bg
Profile Joined August 2004
Bulgaria168 Posts
November 12 2004 01:08 GMT
#481
omg I cant belive how yellow has lost. Now yellow is much better see KTF . . . Boxer loses in every game , yellow wins in every game. . . . I dont know why he lost omg no commmenttttttttttttt
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
November 12 2004 01:10 GMT
#482
saying boxer played gay is sort of true, but it was for money and a chance at a championship, so in circumstances like that do whatever you have to to win. however, if someone just repeatedly bunker rushes in practice games or thinks winning with a bunker rush is a legit victory online, they need to rethink their ideals on skill and legitmacy ;d
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
November 12 2004 01:11 GMT
#483
im not complaining about his barrack first move.

Im just complaining at the total lack of quality of the games.

I had friday off today and I was gonna spend a part of it relaxing and watching these games. Then I saw the poll which asked if Boxer was a pansy or not and I knew my friday afternoon was ruined, not because he won, but because the games sucked major ass.
We decide our own destiny
Shiv
Profile Joined July 2003
France447 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-12 01:14:43
November 12 2004 01:11 GMT
#484
On November 12 2004 09:48 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
with all due respect to yellow, he completely missjudged the situation. there are builds that prevent you from dying to an 8rax and still give you a position where you can easily win if you're the better player in the game, for example 9pool into 3hatch, or 11pool 12 expansion w/e, after losing the first game he should've pulled something like that, or maybe even a 4,5,6pool not only to survive boxers rush that game but also to prevent boxer from rushing again in game 3

There is no "easy wins" versus Boxer. And I don't think he missjudged at all the situation. What the hell is 6 pool vs a 8 rax?

What YellOw did was the best he could have done without maphack: hatchery before pool, the only way I could possibly think about not to be behind in middle game versus someone like Boxer. An earlier scouting drone would have been costful, and useless. Nothing else.

Boxer got lucky by mapping, position, whatever. His bo was adapted, he played great, used the game at his advantage.
We all know the only thing to blame is the maps they played on. Yes, maps. YellOw didn't choose them. Nor did Boxer. But he was advantaged, and won because he's among the best Broodwar players.

I hope we'll see some really balanced map in the future. Because now, everything's just so wrong...
whats the rumpling?
Shiv
Profile Joined July 2003
France447 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-12 01:15:01
November 12 2004 01:13 GMT
#485
Double..
whats the rumpling?
Macrophage
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany730 Posts
November 12 2004 01:22 GMT
#486
like iloveoov said, on the progamer level its a lot about mental strength and intelligence - and boxer just owned yellow in this case.
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
November 12 2004 01:24 GMT
#487
On November 12 2004 09:56 Slaughter)BiO wrote:
Well boxer had to do what he had to do. I mean theres no way he can beat yellow in a REAL starcraft game at this point.


Are you serious?
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InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
November 12 2004 01:26 GMT
#488
Shiv get ouf of yellows/boxer asses. Their is no easy win vs boxer? well check the latest game of july vs him, he ran over him with 2 groups of lings and a group of lurks in what, 10 minutes? If earlier scouting or a pool before hatch bo prevents you from losing the game in 3 minutes, it is NOT worth it? that does not make sense. Yellow doing the best he could and still getting owned twice within 10 minutes? doesnt make sense either. Those maps might not be 100% balanced, but still balanced enough to win if you're the better player, regardless of your race.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
November 12 2004 01:36 GMT
#489
I think boxer had silent_control dress up as boxer and play for him -.-
Never Knows Best.
Shiv
Profile Joined July 2003
France447 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-12 01:44:25
November 12 2004 01:43 GMT
#490
Well, I wouldn't call JulyZerg's win an easy win too. But that's another game, another time, another opponent. Different times, places, stakes.

They just played chess. Or poker, or whatever. Boxer's first and second build were early attack directed. YellOw just thought that it would be easy for Boxer to play safe till the end and still manage to win a game. I'm pretty sure he would have done a hatchery-before-pool build in a fourth game if it was bo7. Because -again- that was the smartest thing he could have done.

And, NO, despite those games, I don't think Boxer is better than YellOw; I really think they are kind of equals at the moment. YellOw got unlucky, and such a little advantage become a real burden when you're at such a high level of progaming.
whats the rumpling?
ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
November 12 2004 01:46 GMT
#491
On November 12 2004 10:13 Shiv wrote:
Double..


nice post...... -_-
Micro.Macro.Scouting.Harassment.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28874 Posts
November 12 2004 01:48 GMT
#492
we've all lost track of what is really important

I won my bet with zia

ha ha ha ha ha~~
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WhizKid77
Profile Joined November 2003
China682 Posts
November 12 2004 01:49 GMT
#493
On November 12 2004 10:26 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
Shiv get ouf of yellows/boxer asses. Their is no easy win vs boxer? well check the latest game of july vs him, he ran over him with 2 groups of lings and a group of lurks in what, 10 minutes? If earlier scouting or a pool before hatch bo prevents you from losing the game in 3 minutes, it is NOT worth it? that does not make sense. Yellow doing the best he could and still getting owned twice within 10 minutes? doesnt make sense either. Those maps might not be 100% balanced, but still balanced enough to win if you're the better player, regardless of your race.


vs july, boxer attacked sunkens with no medics and lost all his marines. hence the lurkling runover. boxer threw that game. maybe for all the ogn practicing they did together like someone suggested =D. i think in yellow's opinion, his 2 hat build was fine, and he does not regret it. well maybe now he does, lol.
hay guys u thare???
Kacas
Profile Joined July 2003
Brazil3143 Posts
November 12 2004 01:54 GMT
#494
come on
no one can explain what happened today =(
I Love Hyori Lee =* icq: 41760400 / msn: kayen_chn at hotm
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
November 12 2004 01:55 GMT
#495
On November 12 2004 10:24 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2004 09:56 Slaughter)BiO wrote:
Well boxer had to do what he had to do. I mean theres no way he can beat yellow in a REAL starcraft game at this point.


Are you serious?


What do you mean by REAL game of starcraft? Boxer prefers short, micro oriented build games to long drawn out macro oriented games. This, however, does not make it any less real.
cava!
shinigami
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada423 Posts
November 12 2004 01:55 GMT
#496
I think Boxer really wanted to win.
He thought a bit and found that the greatest chance of him winning was the early game.
But he didn't want to disappoint people into thinking it's a cheese rush, and therefore
went barracks at the 8th scv.

However, Yellow had no defense for the early attack!
And with Yellow's gg, it looks like a cheese rush.

Maybe it was, but I'm sure it wasn't meant to be one, unless it would secure Boxer a victory.
I was thinking about joining a debate club, but I was talked out of it.
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
November 12 2004 01:56 GMT
#497
I agree that they pokered, but i repeat again, yellow thought he'd know boxer by now and boxer simply outsmarted him yet again. in yellow's mind it was probably like : "ok he rushed me once and wants me to do a safer build this time, so i'm gonna go for 12exp again". then he was like "damnit he did it again, but only a complete lunatic would 8rax three times in a row because noone would think i'm stupid enough to 12exp again, so thats what i'm gonna do". and yet again " Because -again- that was the smartest thing he could have done." is simply wrong and does not make sense. A build that dies to an 8rax without any chance is NOT a smart thing to do vs someone that 8raxed you before. No matter how often you repeat yourself your argument won't become any better
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
-DaJ-
Profile Joined April 2004
Switzerland539 Posts
November 12 2004 01:57 GMT
#498
On November 12 2004 10:36 Slaughter)BiO wrote:
I think boxer had silent_control dress up as boxer and play for him -.-


hehe.....GG
Dear God, my brilliance is becoming a bit of a burden.
taDa
Profile Joined October 2004
575 Posts
November 12 2004 02:03 GMT
#499
Guys BoxeR found the perfect BO to beat YellOw. That is all there is to it. He put many hours into perfecting the bunker rush and showed that his until control is still solid. That takes a lot of skill. To do it again and again and again. July couldn't adapt -- YellOw couldn't adapt. Looks like they are going to have to put many hours into figuring it out.
GG
cav
Profile Joined August 2004
Pitcairn514 Posts
November 12 2004 02:07 GMT
#500
On November 12 2004 10:07 Liquid`Drone wrote:
guys

get this into your heads

there was NO CHEESE.
if he had won with three proxy bbs then you'd be allowed to complain all you wanted to. however, he didn't use cheesy builds.

8 rax is cheese.
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