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Recycled banner. Still looking good, though. Sunday, January 16th 2010, 13:00 KST, Channel MBCGame
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(unplayed games will be given random description to avoid spoilers).
+ Show Spoiler [Game 1] + Just an excellently played build in decision making, not necessarily game value. You won't see any groundbreaking micro nor macro here, but you most certainly can learn something about the matchup. + Show Spoiler [Game 2] + Interesting build from one player versus a more standard game by the other with good attacks (but not Amazing) and good defences. Watch it. + Show Spoiler [Game 3] + Beatdown with relentness harass. Best game so far, amazing watch. + Show Spoiler [Game 4] + Pretty decent TvT. I'd say yes. + Show Spoiler [Game 5] + Containment into gg. Not worth your time. + Show Spoiler [Game 6] + + Show Spoiler [Game 7] +
Poll: Who are you cheering for?Woongjin Stars (13) 59% STX SouL (9) 41% I'm just hoping for good games. (0) 0% Both! Decision making is for suckers! (0) 0% 22 total votes Your vote: Who are you cheering for? (Vote): STX SouL (Vote): Woongjin Stars (Vote): I'm just hoping for good games. (Vote): Both! Decision making is for suckers!
Poll: Who will win?Woongjin Stars (8) 47% STX SouL (7) 41% I'm not in the mood for predictions, but I still want to press a button. (2) 12% 17 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): STX SouL (Vote): Woongjin Stars (Vote): I'm not in the mood for predictions, but I still want to press a button.
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I hope Soulkey will repeat his feat of all killing STX like last year.
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woongjin <3 <3 <3
STX about to get rolled
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is this happening in 10 min?
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^^ yes
Who is carrying really? Sair?
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On January 16 2011 12:52 floppity wrote: is this happening in 10 min?
yes
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On January 16 2011 12:54 hacklebeast wrote: ^^ yes
Who is carrying really? Sair? Piano/Organ
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I'd like to see what Modesty can do in PL.
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That piano?!? Ugh, someday we will make (or i will find) a thread about which progamer looks most different from their TLPD pic. I'll be the first to nominate hogil and hydra.
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On January 16 2011 12:58 night terrors wrote: I'd like to see what Modesty can do in PL.
modesty vs stars is modesty favored usually
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On January 16 2011 13:03 swanized wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 12:58 night terrors wrote: I'd like to see what Modesty can do in PL. modesty vs stars is modesty favored usually
Modesty did 3 kill them in STX cup. But Soulkey all kiled stx in winner's league playoffs.
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On January 16 2011 13:03 FakePlasticLove wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 13:03 swanized wrote:On January 16 2011 12:58 night terrors wrote: I'd like to see what Modesty can do in PL. modesty vs stars is modesty favored usually Modesty did 3 kill them in STX cup. But Soulkey all kiled stx in winner's league playoffs.
yeah but modesty didn't play in WL play-off If I recal
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On January 16 2011 13:05 swanized wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 13:03 FakePlasticLove wrote:On January 16 2011 13:03 swanized wrote:On January 16 2011 12:58 night terrors wrote: I'd like to see what Modesty can do in PL. modesty vs stars is modesty favored usually Modesty did 3 kill them in STX cup. But Soulkey all kiled stx in winner's league playoffs. yeah but modesty didn't play in WL play-off If I recal
Yeah he did.
Soulkey vs. Frozen.
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lol frozean, interesting choice stx
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On January 16 2011 13:06 FakePlasticLove wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 13:05 swanized wrote:On January 16 2011 13:03 FakePlasticLove wrote:On January 16 2011 13:03 swanized wrote:On January 16 2011 12:58 night terrors wrote: I'd like to see what Modesty can do in PL. modesty vs stars is modesty favored usually Modesty did 3 kill them in STX cup. But Soulkey all kiled stx in winner's league playoffs. yeah but modesty didn't play in WL play-off If I recal Yeah he did. Soulkey vs. Frozen.
ah my bad
though soulkey vs anything is soulkey favored too so whatever
<3 soulkey
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why so good soulkey
sneaks a drone while the barrack is lifted and sees mech
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Way to get your mech scouted, FrOzen. Seriously, what was that?
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Haha that drone. So ghostsu.
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2 port wraiths for Frozean
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Mech gets scouted -> two port wraith. You have to admire the logic. Or the balls. Not sure which.
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Frozean not taking his nat prefers to hide a CC at the top left corner
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Burrow researched. Almost always means a good game is happening.
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SK still hasnt scuoted the expansion
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overlord heading toward Bogus' hidden expansion ITS GONNA SEE IT, IT SPOTS IT
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frozean is actualy playing surprisingly well, SK is looking overwhelmed atm
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hidden expo wins forzean the game!
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Wraith-tank is the new and improved muta-lurk, apparently.
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soulkey is getting rocked here lol
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DROp incoming at the topright, nothing to defend its probably gonna die
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sk attacks with hydra lurk, but is easily crushed by mnm + wraith + 3 tanks
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Haha love that light speed lurker bug.
Frozean playing really good, responding well to the drops and blocking them completely.
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Soulkey is feeling what its like to be a Terran getting 2-hatch Muta'd
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On January 16 2011 13:06 swanized wrote: this is gonna be rape
lol Frozean came prepared.
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sk loses nat, almost no def at main, gg has to be incoming
and it is, frozean made soulkey look just awful that game. I'm guessing free next, if not really
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Hey remember when Frozean had that 10+ lose streak in PL and was the worst player ever?
Yea.. wtf happened rofl
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That was a pretty sweet game.
Frozean for the all-kill!
(jk... I hope)
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fantasy has nothing on soulkey in gg timings!!
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I think I heard screams of agony from the crowd as SK gg'd
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Poll: Would you recommend game 1?Yes (6) 55% No (4) 36% Check it out if you have time. (1) 9% 11 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 1? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No (Vote): Check it out if you have time.
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that was pretty one sided. soulkey decided spore colonies were not worth his time
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ZEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
ALL KILL INCOMING
ok, now thinking about it, that is an oddd selection considering how badly sk was just beaten
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alright with zero it's over though
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On January 16 2011 13:22 ArvickHero wrote: Hey remember when Frozean had that 10+ lose streak in PL and was the worst player ever?
Yea.. wtf happened rofl Hiya decided he wanted that job
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spawning at cross map positions frozen top right yellow
zero bottom left red
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zero 12 hatches, frozen 10 rax, compleats the wall to seal off main, but not natural
10 rax fe
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zero now has 3 hatches, just getting lair up
frozen going for bio build
zero now morphing a hydra den, going for fast lurks (probaly)
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sick defense against the acad rush by zero
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zero so sick
hive off 2 baseeeee
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zero gets a nice suround with lings, kills off a bunch of infantry
now making queen nest before spire
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Zero going for osme sort of a super fast hive into take island into drop
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zero expoed to an island, but has no ovi speed
comentators go crazy over a dropship, will zero defend?
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island expo is forced to abort due to dropship
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Haha, Zero tried the ''I'll expand to the most unlikely place ever, cause he won't expect it'' strategy. :D
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tanks take out his sunkens, zero has about 6 lurkers to defend his base, waiting on defilers
nvm, defiler is out
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Here, please kill my vessel.
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FROZZEENNN GOGO Defiler sniped, dropship in main! 4th taken out!
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What the hell is going on? How the fuck is Frozean beating both Soulkey and Zero? O_O
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Frozen says screw it and rushes the nat and takes it out with mm, another drop in the main! Focusing down spire! GETS IT DOWNNN!!
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zero is kind of deffending, but it is not looking good for him, rith now 3 base zerg vs 3 base terran, but terran is building 4th
zero has an unpopulated 4th
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frozean is actually playing really well?!
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On January 16 2011 13:45 Holgerius wrote: What the hell is going on? How the fuck is Frozean beating both Soulkey and Zero? O_O
Dude is just inconsistent, really inconsistent. Apparently he's one of those guys who owns bones in the house but blows in the arena.
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zero drops in an expo, does resonable damage, but not that much
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Unlike soulkey, ZerO actually got to Hive tech - and it's making a huge difference.
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both player harasing expos
both repel, but zero did more damage
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Lol frozen drops 5, scourge spawn right next to it. 20 seconds later the dropship leaves unhurt,
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While i was talking about Z doing poorly in the other thread against P, now it seems like this is the place to say how they suck against T as well now? I suppose ZerO isn't playing THAT badly and Soulkey faced a difficult strategy but still...
As i write this as the game goes further the skill gap of ZerO being better multitasking becomes obvious. Still gonna lose tho cause he's so far behind.
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zero attacks expo with control group of lings, does way more damage than it should have
he is starting to crawl back into this game, but he is still losing the economic battle
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And that's how you irradiate
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Zero loses 5. On 3 base now, frozen is going to destroy zero soon
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drop ships irradiate about 7 things, infantry move in to mop up the rest, expo goes down, i think it is 5v3 in favor of T
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2 dropships drop the island 6. nydus taken out before anything gets out, zero gonna lose it. Frozen with a crapton of tanks at 11 just sitting there,
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Frozean, STX's secret weapon
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Poll: Would you recommend game 2?Yes (9) 75% No (3) 25% Check it out if you have time. (0) 0% 12 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 2? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No (Vote): Check it out if you have time.
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zero just can not make enough units
drop ships continue to harras
zero ggs
damn it zero
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WTF man
stars zergs dont give a shit about creep colony
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So good. This means Bogus wont be the featured T for STX: my anti is safe.
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When Kal and Calm don't do well Frozen becomes amazing. Somehow Frozen feeds off of Kal and Calm's failings.
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Having Cuteangel on my anti was a horrible idea LOL.
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On January 16 2011 13:50 infinity2k9 wrote: While i was talking about Z doing poorly in the other thread against P, now it seems like this is the place to say how they suck against T as well now? I suppose ZerO isn't playing THAT badly and Soulkey faced a difficult strategy but still...
As i write this as the game goes further the skill gap of ZerO being better multitasking becomes obvious. Still gonna lose tho cause he's so far behind.
I'd hardly say two ZvTs against FrOzen having a randomly near-S-Class day prove much at all.
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Pretty impressive game from Frozen, I must say.
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On January 16 2011 13:54 mOojc wrote: Having CuteAngel on my anti was a horrible idea LOL.
its the same with + Show Spoiler + tonight
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wow why did frozean choose to play S-class TODAY?
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Is heavy drop use becoming more standard now i think? In multiple matchups even. Flash vs Best, Hiya vs Stork game 2 for obvious TvP examples. More drops in TvZ, even a little more in TvT. I think Zergs and Protoss need to adapt to this... Zerg dropping is always a useful tool in the arsenal especially on certain maps. But how about some double or even triple shuttle play coming back like its outsider? Maybe BeSt would not have got raped so hard if he went speed shuttles. Infact, he definitely wouldn't instead of awkwardly trying to force his goons through his simcity to fight in both main and nat. Anyway i'd like to see it... sometimes when i played (very low level but still) i'd like to do 8 zealot drops in PvT and things like that.
I think the highly mobile air based play makes for the most exciting games.
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On January 16 2011 13:59 swanized wrote: wow why did frozean choose to play S-class TODAY? STX started sucking, so it's no surprise he is doing so well. It was the same last season round 5.
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gogo free all kill!!!
screw frozean lolol
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Free is next
why he wasn't just used last set is beyond me
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At least Free can't lose to Frozen.
...OR CAN HE?
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On January 16 2011 14:02 okum wrote: At least Free can't lose to Frozen.
...OR CAN HE? Frozean's got his bonjwa juice goin on today, he's gonna AK ;o
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Free red bottom left// frozean blue top right
Free has an... odd probe split, they all go for the south most patches
frozean is pictured scratching his head LIKE A BOSS
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Le Benzene... Frozen the terran at 1 Free the protoss at 7
1 gate, gas for Free rax, gas for Frozen
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STX's Ultimate Ace seems to be kicking ass...
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Go go Black Magic Terran!
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Frozen slow to defend his factory-builder scv from probe harass ah he had a marine coming
3 scvs back on gas before expo CC placed?
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free goes for standard fast core
frozean 1 rax fe, but makes no wall
oh, zona is here, guess my time as the LRer is over
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Frozen's scv arrives in free's base, sees the spinning core
starport for frozen - must have changed his mind about his build since he took 2 scvs off gas earlier
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vulture drop inc for frozen?
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go ahead, hacklebeast...nothing wrong with more than one LR'er, and you may note things I miss
2 goons and 1 zealot trying to break up frozen's 4 rine/vulture holding ramp (no tank)
but mines are done!
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On January 16 2011 14:02 okum wrote: At least Free can't lose to Frozen.
...OR CAN HE? free has a 100% win rate (3-0) against FrOzen, who has never gotten past a 2-kill in WL.
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robo and an expo coming for free - but the dropship is already on its way...
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FrOzen really likes his dropships today.
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Dropship loads up with vults and heads out for Free's base. Free starting robo. Loses a goon to a random mine
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free showing off some no-observer mineclearing but 2 goons vs mines - risky, one mine lost
here comes the dropship! the goons are fara way at the nat - mines planted by the ramp
doom zoom on free, he looks resigned
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Vultures dropped, wreaking havoc in Free's main, mines take out one goon and damage another.
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vultures knocking down probes at the main mineral line, finally a few goons make it past the mines near the ramp - another vulture comes through the front door - dropping mines by the goon there!
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On January 16 2011 14:08 Zona wrote: go ahead, hacklebeast...nothing wrong with more than one LR'er, and you may note things I miss
2 goons and 1 zealot trying to break up frozen's 4 rine/vulture holding ramp (no tank)
but mines are done!
meh two is unnnessisary, and you are faster/less prone to spelling mistakes
sick mine play
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an observer out for free though, he should be okay for now
dropship heading west again from frozen's main, his CC floats to his nat
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dropship drops TWO TANKS on the high ground - boom, 3 kills on probes from the first salvo
mine laid to protect the ramp leading to the tanks
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All these dropships...
...are really making me miss Boxer. Heh.
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1 tank picked off by goons on the other side of the power generators, another pulls back and uses high ground advantage to take out 2 more goons, it finally falls
and the dropship returns home to pick up another load
3rd factory done for frozen, armory done too
free on 3 gates? finally taking his 2nd gas
observer ducks away from the factories as frozen has produced a wraith but no scan
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ooh, an wriath, how exotic
wonder if it is for sniping obs or shuttles or just harass
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frozen mining a whole bunch of free's potential expo spots, no hidden expos for you
academy coming for frozen, as well as a 4th factory
2 tank 2 rine moving out
dropship heading south
3rd CC for frozen BELOW his 3rd spot at 3.5
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On January 16 2011 14:12 hacklebeast wrote: ooh, an wriath, how exotic
wonder if it is for sniping obs or shuttles or just harass 99% of the time wraiths in TvP are for sniping shuttles
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2 more vultures dropped in the main - mines don't do much vs goon/obs - they drive by the main mineral line and head down to overlook the nat
one tank dropped in the main! 2 kills!
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Man frozen, nonstop aggression. I like it.
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That is some odd cc placement. Its not like free is stoping you from just planting it normaly. Mabey to avoid hasty scouing?
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shitttt frozean came out to play today
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Commentators going crazy making puns about Frozen getting stronger in the winter or saying this isn't Frozen playing at all
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frozean with some flash-esque harass o_o
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mining in the main stopped again
another factory for frozen? does that make 5? a few tanks sieged in a line towards frozen's 3rd
free also taking his 3rd at 9.5
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4 vultures visit the nat, net a few probes - but die quickly to goons, probably not worth it
templar archives/stargate gets placed, and a scan right away on top of them
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On January 16 2011 14:13 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 14:12 hacklebeast wrote: ooh, an wriath, how exotic
wonder if it is for sniping obs or shuttles or just harass 99% of the time wraiths in TvP are for sniping shuttles yea, but usualy the shuttle comes out first, and the wraith is a responce. I didn't see one, but maybe I missed it
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free still on 3 gates - frozen on 5 facts 2 machine shops
finally 4th and 5th gates from free
2 dropships heading out how!
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free loses an obs to a turret in the middle of "nowhere" (the SE plateau)
frozen taking a 4th at 5.5, sorta "hidden"
tribunal for free, 2nd stargate
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free slow to respond to 4 vultures 2 tank drop in his main - he retreats probes quickly though 3 goons going to be mincemeat actually the vultures leave and raid the natural instead so the tanks fall quickly
dropships get away to drop another day
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frozen also moving about 6 tanks and lots of vultures towards free's warping 4th - nothing there
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Lets all pretend this was Woongjin vs. KTrolster
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lol, there is no safe place to be a probe
hopefully that arbitor comes soon
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free losing more and more goons on the narrow highground passage towards 10.5
frozen moving south with tanks and his few remaining vultures
free is not playing very well
free's 3rd mineral line in siege tank range!
zealots still slow - 2 dropships move out to free's main AGAIN!
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On January 16 2011 14:15 hacklebeast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 14:13 Elyvilon wrote:On January 16 2011 14:12 hacklebeast wrote: ooh, an wriath, how exotic
wonder if it is for sniping obs or shuttles or just harass 99% of the time wraiths in TvP are for sniping shuttles yea, but usualy the shuttle comes out first, and the wraith is a responce. I didn't see one, but maybe I missed it No idea; I'm at a hotel with crappy internet so I can't watch the game.
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What is this? Seriously, he's ape-smashing Free thus far.
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On January 16 2011 14:17 structuralinertia wrote: ooopps sry
I think you got the wrong thread
speedy corection
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man if someone didn't tell me the names I would have said this was Fantasy...
Free not mining from his main
and 4 vultures raiding the nat mineral line again
free looks REALLY resigned now
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i think i have the biggest boner for frozen now
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arbiter cloaking the probes at the nat, frozen scans
scan runs out - but free concedes anyways
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Holy fuck, that's how you harass haha
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Who's left for Stars? Really?
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how is frozean this good????????
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On January 16 2011 14:19 ZeaL. wrote: Who's left for Stars? Really? Crazy-Hydra.
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Motherfucker. That was so good.
O_O
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I am so, so, confused. Frozean!?
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Wow, Frozean. Come on, all-kill!
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lol first jaehoon now frozean, what in the world is going on
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Poll: Would you recommend game 3?Yes (15) 88% No (2) 12% Check it out if you have time. (0) 0% 17 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 3? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No (Vote): Check it out if you have time.
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ahh free.. cheer up!
i still believe!
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LOOOOL CUTE ANGEL IMMINENT ALL KILL LOL WUT?!?!
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STX coach with a sly smile...oh yeah!
Don't forget that an analyst correctly predicted that Frozen is STX's Ultimate Ace! And of course Winner's league is the place where all ultimate aces show their strength.
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its ok, Really will shove a boot right up his ass
P.S. I hate u Frozean
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I just got on and am checking the threads for both games.
What the fuck am I seeing? CUTEANGLE AND + Show Spoiler + ?? What the fuck is going on.
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Frozean is STX's secret weapon
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really's gonna be out and screw my fpl.
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Hopefully Really will reverse.
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WoW. Don't saw games. Frozean so good or Stars players so bad?
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+ Show Spoiler +Well at least jaehoon lost
Winner league's format really brings the best out of people. Not one SWL has passed that didn't suprise me.
Remember when Guemchi was the next protoss bonjwa?
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On January 16 2011 14:22 Exchange wrote: WoW. Don't saw games. Frozean so good or Stars players so bad? A bit of both.
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when really goes out I will be left with the FPL cunundrum of having stars as a team, and really on anti. There is no way that this can end well (unless they send flying)
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On January 16 2011 14:20 Lucumo wrote:Crazy-Hydra.
While I love seeing Crazy-Hydra use hydras I think the stars coach is not going to send CH after Neo.G Bonjwa and ZerO got destroyed by Frozean. Make it a TvT so he can get an AK vs all TvX matchups.
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On January 16 2011 14:22 Exchange wrote: WoW. Don't saw games. Frozean so good or Stars players so bad?
stars have been playing below there ability, but far more frozean playing amazing imo
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Guemchi RAK?
edit: oh he's retired -.-
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On January 16 2011 14:22 Exchange wrote: WoW. Don't saw games. Frozean so good or Stars players so bad?
Frozean was really good.
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Hyori <3
I don't know what's up with Stars. They have such good players but they always perform poorly at the same time.
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I'm so glad I have featured both of these players on Progamer spotlight already! Here it is, in case anyone missed it.
+ Show Spoiler + Neither me nor Ryo wanted to predict the outcome of the match, so I'm trying out something instead of a Q&A, just for fun. But it has a different purpose as well than just lulz. For those of you expecting some sort of Light vs. Kal fanboy rage battle, you'll be disappointed. It's even worse if you expect some form of Flash/Jaedong/Bisu praise in the wierdest thread possible for it. No, this time, we're cutting the little guys some slack, and try to understand part of the beauty of Team League Starcraft. Players can be awesome without several OSL and MSL titles, and some put the team first. In this section, join me and Ryo as we try to give some less outstanding players some of the respect they deserve. Maybe you'll find out something new yourself? The two players we're looking at are Jaehoon and FrOzen. + Show Spoiler [Jaehoon] +The Elusive Kim Jaehoonby RyoJaehoon’s role in the teamTogether with Sea, Light and HyuN, Jaehoon forms the backbone of the current MBCGame HERO team. While Sea/Light are the team’s Ace players and stars, and Hyun serves the role of the “mother” in the team house, it can be said that the emotional health of the HERO team is closely tied to that of Jaehoon. If rumors from both Dailyesports and Korean internet forums are to be believed, Coach Ha’s departure from MBC in September was closely tied to player dissatisfaction over Jaehoon’s numerous breakdowns last season under an “overly strict” training supervision. Did the players push Coach Ha out or was his resignation due to another reason? Till this day, there has been no confirmation. But what is clear is that the players rallied closely behind Jaehoon during the dark days of his career and even good friend and teammate Tyson has stated that the revival of the HERO protoss line is tied to the performance of Jaehoon. Jaehoon's current FormWhen tracking his form, you can more or less disregard any statistics prior to this season. Before this season, Jaehoon’s longest winning streak was 2 games. This entire season, he has not loss more than 2 games in a row while just last month, he was on a 5 game winning streak before finally taken down by Stork himself. His remarkable rise in form has prompted DES to call him the reincarnation of the Spirit Toss (Pusan). Jaehoon’s current winrate this season is 59%. HighlightsHis win against Really showing both good micro and the strong macro style that has been a hallmark of his games this season. Of course, the most memorable, jubilant moment of Jaehoon’s career thus far… the win against Ych which earned him a place in the MSL Ro32 for the first time in his career. I nearly shed a tear myself. Did you know… ?"My closest friend is Jaehoon from MBCgame. He’s a friend to whom I reveal my deepest thoughts and feelings." – Lee Jaedong , Nate interview March 8th 2010 We’ve all heard about Jaehoon’s (and indeed the MBC team’s) friendship with Khan protosses Stork and Jangbi. But by far his closest friend in gaming is Jaedong. They have been buddies since their amateur days, as n.Die clanmates both from Ulsan. Like Jaedong, Jaehoon enjoys hiking in his spare time. Jaehoon’s best friend in MBC is his teammate and roommate, Light. Jaehoon was once called “naemsaekko” (Korean term for the Pokemon Gloom) by Hyun because of his purple hair and slightly sad demeanor. Jaehoon has many noona (“older sister”) fans. For example MBC’s Special Forces team coach, Lim Sura, has often encouraged Jaehoon. His final win against yCh in the MST, earning him a place in the MSL for the first time ever, brought tears to the eyes of many fans, according to accounts from the HERO gallery on Dcinside. Jaehoon’s biggest wish this season is for fans to give him a cool and awesome nickname like his Khan protoss friends have. + Show Spoiler [Frozen] +Frozen, the basket ball player Terranby mustajuFrozen’s role in the teamSTX is a team of many talents, but few very exceptional players, and a lot of streaks, both good and bad. Superficially, Frozen fits the description of the average STX player perfectly, as he has both periods of winning a lot and then failing spectacularly many times after. But why do I consider him different? Because I became a STX fan right after reading a letter written by noone other than his mother. This particular letter of advice was heart warming and I’d like to believe it exemplifies the heart of the team better than anything the players could have said themselves.I think Frozen is a huge moral support to his team, as he keeps training and practicing hard while the rest of the team might be devastated of long loss streaks. These qualities make Frozen the heart of STX SouL. And believe me, I love that team. Frozen’s current formFrozen is currently probably the third best Terran on STX, and this in itself should mean that he’s pretty bad, since Bogus and Classic are mediocre, and Frozen’s official win record is nothing to be proud of. But first looks can be deceptive. Did you know that in the 2010 Winter OSL Wildcard Tournament, he made it all the way to the finals, where he lost to his teammate Calm? Pfff, you might say. Those are not even official matches! But let’s look at the players he beat to get to that position. Saint, RuBy, Stats, Modesty, Baby, Neo.G_Soulkey. 4 of these players are aces on their team. Not bad, eh? Too bad that he went on a loss streak in PL shortly after, but at least he lost to really good players. Like Fantasy, Snow, and free, while taking a really good TvT game on Fortress from forGG. Although there’s much to be desired, Frozen is certainly not the autoloss many people think him to be. Frozen’s highlights:Frozen has few real highlights, but he has defeated strong opponents in the past. And sometimes just defeating is not enough. Here is an offensive Command Center against Bisu. And not even Jaedong is safe from FrOzen. Did you know...?...Frozen is 2-1 against Jaedong and 1-0 against Upmagic, defeating them both in a single MSL group and winning it? ...Frozen wanted to be a basketball player before becoming a StarCraft progamer? ...Frozen was 0-12 for KHAN in PL the season before he joined STX? ....Frozen carried the team through much of the Ro5 SPL 2009-2010 after the match fixing scandal ? ...that if given the chance, Frozen wants to play Neo.G_Soulkey and Bisu the most? (if you count OSL prelims and STX masters, he is 4-2!! vs. Bisu and 2-2 against Soulkey. If not, he’s 1-1 against Bisu and 0-0 against Soulkey.) ... his Korean nicknames include "Human Bonjwa", "Loss-King", "Black magic Terran" and "Roller-coaster Terran"?
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On January 16 2011 14:19 hacklebeast wrote:I think you got the wrong thread speedy corection aww, though no one would notice
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Stars have Really and Crazy-Hydra left in the category of "pretty good players". Fanboyism says to send Really, + he's got experience, but he dies so easy to Protoss STX just throws Kal-Shuttle-Trap at him and he'll lose one of those games. Crazy-Hydra's sort of a safer bet, especially since STX has no fantastic vs Zerg players. On the other hand, he's kind of new and not the best ZvTer ever - the way Frozen's playing that could end badly.
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LOL I just got up and see that Frozen is has beaten the 3 best Woongjin Stars players ! Seems that my Liquibet streak is gonna end
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wait, what? Frozen is on the verge of AK'ing Stars? Wow.
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On January 16 2011 14:26 Musoeun wrote: Stars have Really and Crazy-Hydra left in the category of "pretty good players". Fanboyism says to send Really, + he's got experience, but he dies so easy to Protoss STX just throws Kal-Shuttle-Trap at him and he'll lose one of those games. Crazy-Hydra's sort of a safer bet, especially since STX has no fantastic vs Zerg players. On the other hand, he's kind of new and not the best ZvTer ever - the way Frozen's playing that could end badly.
honestly I think really has pretty good PvT. not good enough to beat kal, but he can definitely stand a good chance vs shuttle/trap. his ZvT has always been his weakest MU...
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Crazy-Hydra:
pros: he's on my fantasy team, he was their #1 overall draft pick once i think, he cross-dressed before leta cons: would have to zvz vs calm, pretty much no experience
Really:
pros: artosis said he was good once, he won a few games this fall, could probably beat kal cons: would have to tvz
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whatever craton is streaming, its............... interesting..
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It's Really. gogo reverse all-kill, reminds Stars how to win.
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On January 16 2011 14:28 jalstar wrote: Crazy-Hydra:
pros: he's on my fantasy team, he was their #1 overall draft pick once i think, he cross-dressed before leta cons: would have to zvz vs calm, pretty much no experience
Really:
pros: artosis said he was good once, he won a few games this fall, could probably beat kal cons: would have to tvz Crazy-Hydra is 7-3 in his last 10 ZvZs with losses to Hydra, Princess and Jaedong. I think that's acceptable.
Another con for Really is that he is on my anti-team
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ah fuck it, i think my FPL is already sunk for the season, Go reverse all kill really!
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FROZEAN please win so STX can redeem my FPL.
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Frozen going wraith. Because of course he is, what does he have to lose?
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Looks like my post about dropships was right? Seriously imagine you're a toss on the end of that style of harass, its insanely annoying... your probes constantly are just back and forth between bases and trying to get fucking goons through your base to awkward positions. Speed shuttles have got to be done i think!
Either that or.... 2 scouts before arb tech. Unironically wouldn't be a bad idea except for their shitty speed. They kill dropships in 4 shots if there's 2 and they can ratatatata away at mines and tanks and things very easily avoiding the whole simcity/goon AI problem. I can't believe i'm recommending scouts having a possible use but some good player could you confirm my theorycrafting? It is true they are expensive but so are all the units they already currently lose to drops, plus the Stargates are already there and inactive until the tech is ready. I really think if Terran continues a heavy drop trend we might see this. Maybe even fleet beacon for a transition to carrier and scout speed in the meantime? That's probably hoping a bit too much :p
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frozean going 2 starport with no cloak (for now)
really has 2 fact
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Meh, stupid coach. Why doesn't he like CH? Go FrOzen, rape him, make him pay. I don't care about my LB.
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lol frozean killing so many scvs as they try to finish the ebay
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Hmm Frozean gotta kill a lot of scvs to make this worth it. Not sure if he's done enough damage yet.
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the SCVs keep dieing, and really can't fight the wraiths, the game almost feels over already
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oh wait, frozean just expanded to his nat, i guess he isnt as far ahead as I thought, but he is still doing really well
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On January 16 2011 14:40 hacklebeast wrote: oh wait, frozean just expanded to his nat, i guess he isnt as far ahead as I thought, but he is still doing really well
He's forced a lot of goliaths but yeah, his expo was much later than Really's. Really also almost done with his 3rd.
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frozean now has a lot of tanks, observer not showing how many really has
really finishes his third
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first battle, zrozean is slopy and loses about 4 more tanks than he should have
frozean seems to be ignoring the need to plant mines, maybe not resarched yet?
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Frozean tries dropping 1 vult into Really's nat and 2 into the main but is repelled quickly. Frozean also starting up wraith production again. He spots a vulture drop from Really and kills it with wraiths.
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after not building wraiths for the longest time, frozean decides he needs a third starport
both players on 3 bases
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
what what third starport? does this mean there will be BCs?
P.S.: fuck this I got up early once in a while hoping to see Hwaseung Oz play and found out that they're one of two team that will play only in weekdays this week. Shit. X_x
By the way KT vs OZ incoming O___o And there will be very probable Jaedong vs Flash X__x O__o (Almost 100% probable, for I doubt anyone in KT can take down Jaedong, and I even more doubt that anyone from Oz can handle Flash X__x )
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They know it's after Christmas, but KeSPA brought to me Another long-ass TvT.
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Frozean now has quite the airforce while Really with not enough goliaths! Wraiths take out the few goliaths on the field and then start taking potshots at tanks. Goes to harass an expo but Really decides to push with his tanks. The wratihs come back to defend vs the tanks.
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On January 16 2011 14:46 _Quasar_ wrote: what what third starport? does this mean there will be BCs? far too early for bcs
really has a large army, but it is abused by wraiths, really does not have enough goliaths, or they are at least not in the right positions
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Frozean adding an additional 2 starports!
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frozean throws down another port, really's army is now loaded up in ~10 dropships, still very few goli considering
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On January 16 2011 14:49 hacklebeast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 14:46 _Quasar_ wrote: what what third starport? does this mean there will be BCs? far too early for bcs really has a large army, but it is abused by wraiths, really does not have enough goliaths, or they are at least not in the right positions kkkkk really now has valks.
so that mean that even shitloads of wraiths can be made useless :D
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Frozean cleans up the tank/gol drop at 5 with wraiths as Really pushes out, killing quite a number of tanks but losing a lot of gols in the process. Frozean comes back with wraiths and kills around 4 tanks and pushes back with his own tanks.
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all baces have been taken, spit 50/50, but really has far more map control
players start to establish the customary miles of tank lines
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how is this happening?! Frozen of all people?!
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WTF
real moves in with 6 dropships, then they just sit there while getting pelted. loses 5 of them, only drops 2 goliaths
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Nooo ;_: at this point, my liquibet's going to dip under 800
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frozean sucks ass how is he all killing
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awww... so close! now send out Kal to finish it off
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DAMN just remembered Really is on my anti-team
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Really's army taking down Frozen's 4.5 Frozen concedes as he sees Really making a CC there...
no all-kill for the ultimate ace
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FrOzen ggs, just as I realize Really isn't actually on my FPL. Well, damn. I knew CH should have played (okay, he would have lost, nm).
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On January 16 2011 14:55 whitelynx wrote: frozean sucks ass how is he all killing he doesn't
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really does a good job denying the 5 oclock expo
frozean with a gg, i couln't tell that he was losing that badly...
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thankfully really was there to avoid embarrassment for woongjin.
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Coach gives him a pat on the head But there's no way Really can win 3 more in a row
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Frozen gg's. Almost all-killed Stars.
Now it's Really vs. Rest of STX.
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Really denies the AK. Let's seee how many REally can win.
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On January 16 2011 14:56 GTR wrote: thankfully really was there to avoid embarrassment for woongjin. Indeed. Imagine being all-killed by Frozean.
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On January 16 2011 14:56 Zona wrote: Really's army taking down Frozen's 4.5 Frozen concedes as he sees Really making a CC there...
no all-kill for the ultimate ace
lol i remember that article, good times
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Really's got this All Kill. Go really! (Dont send out a zerg that opens lurkers plox STX)
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actually, Calm should go out instead
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On January 16 2011 14:57 cascades wrote: Really denies the AK. Let's seee how many REally can win. If the Coach Kim plays his cards right that'll be his only win of the night.
But I bet he'll send out someone silly...
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Really can kinda TvZ, just not hold off Lurkers. Guess who loves to open Lurkers?
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I'm thinking that STX send hero. Really is not good vs zerg, and STX loves to send him despite how much he loses. Honestly there is not a "bad" pick for stx in this senario, other than shuttle, that would just be silly
edit: did not mean to mix wording with what zona wrote... now shuttle will probaly come out
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On January 16 2011 15:00 hayata2.0 wrote: Really can kinda TvZ, just not hold off Lurkers. Guess who loves to open Lurkers? Leads me to wonder why he even likes opening Lurkers when he has decent Muta control already.
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That's such a bogus pick...
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On January 16 2011 14:59 vectorix108 wrote: actually, Calm should go out instead Lol if STX Really (lol) wants to be allkilled, he should we all now how full of fail can be Calm's ZvT sometimes. X___x I think Kal should go...
kkkk both suggestions wrong, there's Bogus
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Bogus is out. More TvT, oh joy
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On January 16 2011 14:58 No0n wrote: Really's got this All Kill. Go really! (Dont send out a zerg that opens lurkers plox STX) Well. Theres still kal.
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Oh hell no. You better bring Bogus down, Really, for the sake of my fpl.
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bogus is yellow bottom right, really is teal top right
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On January 16 2011 15:05 night terrors wrote: Oh hell no. You better bring Bogus down, Really, for the sake of my fpl. That's not likely, seeing as Bogus defeated Skyhigh pretty handily.
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bogus theoretically can win this. lets see how Really's TvT holds up
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both players taking their nats off oen fact
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i hope some1 got a screen shot of the happy fan, if now will just wait for the vod.
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Probably send bogus to wear out really then finish really off with Calm/Kal Unless bogus wins then it still works out well
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huh, is Craton's player name overlay correct?
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Skyhigh is terribad though
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2nd factory for both players teal has a machine shop, though
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3 orange vults vs 2 teal vults at teal's nat...teal now losing scvs as he tries to use them to block his ramp...
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really losing HUGE amount of SCVs
MANNER RAX!
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lol but teal has landed his rax to block off all the minerals at orange's nat...
wow teal's micro is terrible - comes out with 3 vultures and scvs, but orange's unrepaired vultures hold teal's nat
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really: "WTF man, what happened to NR 15?"
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5 vultures now in teal's nat - scvs run again
orange now lands a rax at teal's nat and has cleared the manner rax at his own nat should be pretty ahead
vultures force teal's nat CC to yellow, it lifts...
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contained by vultures - sad
teal adds a rax in his main finally one teal tank out
orange's vultures don't have mines yet
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Really's chance of winning this game looks really bogus.
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really making a vulture line oddly reminicent of a zergling wall
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pure vulture destroys teal's one tank
teal (Really) concedes and that's game!
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STXXXX time to get out of your losing streak.
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5 wins for terran, and 0 wins for other races, the order of starcraft has been restored'
edit: on teams with bad terran lines mind you
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Well there goes my LB lol,. Really fast TvT.
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STX's Terran line strikes, strikes hard.
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Sad for Stars. Sorry it had to be STX who broke your winstreak.
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omg. my anti team is killing me
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Bogus you did it son!
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On January 16 2011 15:23 pinkranger15 wrote:omg. my anti team is killing me [2]
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The line-up section is pretty much the result for this game imo
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Australia7069 Posts
hahaha cuteangel 3 kill thats epic
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On January 16 2011 16:11 nayumi wrote:The line-up section is pretty much the result for this game imo
really though, who clicks on the lineup for winners league and doesnt expect to be spoiled? lol
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On January 16 2011 18:05 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 16:11 nayumi wrote:The line-up section is pretty much the result for this game imo really though, who clicks on the lineup for winners league and doesnt expect to be spoiled? lol
Yeah seriously, unless it gets to game 7 then all the results are spoiled.
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Aw almost AK that was close, anyway STX Fighting!
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AND BAM No 1 liquibet baby
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are you fucking kidding me? stx wins using only Frozen and bogus? Frozen almost AKs the entire team... woonjin is so bad, god...
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Lol, Stars, wow, pull yourself together, this is sad... I mean, it should not even happen to ACE.
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lol, when things running shit for stx, cuteangel starts to win. if they are having a good streak, cuteangel fails.
world seems to be in order
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wtf frozean?!?!? lolll so unexpected. kind of. (lol)
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Why did they snipe T with zergs?
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Cause Frozean usually sucks.
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Stars good players get 3-killed by fricking Frozen? I'm not sure it gets any worse than this.
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It's kinda sad how much this shows that STX is nothing without CuteAngel. + Show Spoiler +Only kidding, but why did he play so impressively? That was quite some nice play from someone who usually sucks.
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STX Terrans winning the match alone. LOL that's why it's raining like hell haha
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How embarrassing.
Seriously though bad coaching from Stars- they put their two best zergs out on the maps which are most heavily terran-favored in that match-up (Fortress TvZ: 20-11 (64.5%) and Empire of the Sun TvZ: 12-5 (70.6%))? I know Frozean is not very good usually but why try to buck the percentages that way? If Really and Free had come out first Soulkey and Zero could have dominated on the more zerg-friendly maps after that.
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