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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
December 01 2010 07:38 GMT
#1001
On December 01 2010 16:34 kassi wrote:
Man that shuttle micro was sick. I just wish Bisu had waited a bit longer and got a few more dragoons from his 3gate before attacking. Seriously loving PL these days.


He couldn't wait any longer. Kal had 3 gates as well towards the end, plus continuously pumping reavers. This was the 'right' timing to try and take that gamble, but Kal's position and micro were too good.
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Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
December 01 2010 07:38 GMT
#1002
On December 01 2010 16:34 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 16:32 PunitiveDamages wrote:

why 3-gate allin bisu? why not just play a solid mid/lategame...


he took a gamble; it didn't pay (the bad micro didn't help...). so happy :D (though too bad shuttle is on my anti, but whatever!)

skt needs to lose for once ahh the results tonight make me happy

kal the gatekeeper denies bisu from S class

also, THANKS FEDOR FOR STREAMING!!

Bad micro? His micro was good, Kal's was just better, he had a shuttle and used it well.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Ryusei-R1
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States2106 Posts
December 01 2010 07:38 GMT
#1003
[image loading]

this is a symbol that Bisu is not immortal
Jaedong plz
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 07:40:04
December 01 2010 07:39 GMT
#1004
On December 01 2010 16:33 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 16:32 polgas wrote:
[image loading]
So happy!

This is fucking awesome. WHERE THE FUCK IS SNOWDRIFT when this happens?

I'll be happy for Snowdrift.

YEAH KAL!
On December 01 2010 16:10 tree.hugger wrote:
(P)Kal's gonna take this.

ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 01 2010 07:39 GMT
#1005
On December 01 2010 16:36 Z3kk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 16:33 kawatan wrote:
bisu 12-1
jd 12-3
flash 12-1
stork um...


SHADDAP QQ

Very inopportune time for bisu to end his winning streak...

The sad thing is, that game of Stork against Violet yesterday was worse than anything that Bisu has failed at in the last few months. Even all those fail plays against Kal, the archons PvT, and even that series against Shine.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
scrubtastic
Profile Joined May 2009
1166 Posts
December 01 2010 07:40 GMT
#1006
Heh bisu was long overdue for a loss, some of those previous wins were just way too damn close

Kal did a good job though

I wish Fantasy was played...or that I saw his game...
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
December 01 2010 07:42 GMT
#1007
Not to rub anything in, but how many "Bisu got raped" comments do you see from people wearing the STX logo?
Please take note, fans of all teams, there's something to learn here.
And don't disappoint me, STX fans.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 07:45:10
December 01 2010 07:42 GMT
#1008
On December 01 2010 16:38 Ryusei-R1 wrote:
[image loading]

this is a symbol that Bisu is not immortal


I think this works better as a symbol:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 07:48:13
December 01 2010 07:43 GMT
#1009
On December 01 2010 16:35 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 16:33 Milkis wrote:
you can say that for so many series

why are you skt fans so concerned only with results and not the players/teams lol

you guys are disgusting


People disappointed at someone for losing their team a won series is disgusting?

That's so wrong.

No one can deny Sun is extremely promising. But ignoring the fact that he made a critical mistake just out of 'player respect' or whatever would just be utterly stupid.

edit oh and btw no, losing a 99% won game that also happens to be decisive does not happen 'all the time' at all


You can be disappointed but blaming it on Sun is kinda dumb.

You don't have to ignore the critical mistake, although i don't think it was that critical at all -- he lost because he didnt have observers in the right places when the arbiter showed up, he played it rather safely before then.

Saying "Sun" lost it is rather stupid when SKT still had a chance after that didn't go well cause Kal outplayed Bisu this time.

The point is "Player X lost it for the team" blah blah remarks are extremely dumb because so many series are decided on critical mistakes -- it's almost as if you don't care if the game was good, especially when the remark sounded a lot more dumb cause it sounded a lot more result oriented and sounded like it had some weird tendency to avoid blaming Bisu for some reason when he's the one who lost the Ace match.

Face it, you're cheering for the best performing team, cut them a bit of slack, jesus christ.
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
December 01 2010 07:44 GMT
#1010
Bisu failed to anticipate his opponent's style and lose stupidly again :

Against Shine : He should have turtled up and wait for late game when Shine will hyuk himself.
Against Kal : Just defend and wait for Kal to choke.

Doing mass goon push is no way in hell a good practice against early game aggressive players like Shine and Kal.
Khassar de Templari
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
December 01 2010 07:45 GMT
#1011
Eh? I was actually hoping Bisu would drop the reavers in the main

trying to break down the front with shield battery with fewer reavers of your own...
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
scrubtastic
Profile Joined May 2009
1166 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 07:47:43
December 01 2010 07:46 GMT
#1012
On December 01 2010 16:42 mustaju wrote:
Not to rub anything in, but how many "Bisu got raped" comments do you see from people wearing the STX logo?
Please take note, fans of all teams, there's something to learn here.
And don't disappoint me, STX fans.

TBH I'm mostly expecting KT fans to hop in here going "hell yes SKT lost and KT won, best week of PL ever" or something, you STX guys are pretty benign
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
December 01 2010 07:46 GMT
#1013
On December 01 2010 16:44 kamikami wrote:
Bisu failed to anticipate his opponent's style and lose stupidly again :

Against Shine : He should have turtled up and wait for late game when Shine will hyuk himself.
Against Kal : Just defend and wait for Kal to choke.

Doing mass goon push is no way in hell a good practice against early game aggressive players like Shine and Kal.


It was actually nicely played by Bisu, i have no idea what your'e talking about.

At that point Bisu was just trying to bait the shuttle/reaver out (notice bisu's goon placement the entire game) because that was literally the only chance he had of winning the game at that point. The final push was rather futile and a really risky gamble, so he was moving his troops around to try and bait the shuttle out. It was literally only thing Bisu could do at that point -- "wait", bait and hope that Kal falls for it. Kal played conservatively and made some pretty damn good decisions. After the 3 gate push was defended (all to Kal's credit), that's the only chance Bisu had.
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
December 01 2010 07:46 GMT
#1014
Nah Kal no longer chokes against Bisu. He used to, but he doesn't now. Most telling indicator of Bisu's non S-class status.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
December 01 2010 07:49 GMT
#1015
On December 01 2010 16:46 cascades wrote:
Nah Kal no longer chokes against Bisu. He used to, but he doesn't now. Most telling indicator of Bisu's non S-class status.


That's unfair to Kal. He's really good, and he has the ability to take a game off anyone. He might choke, but that's not because his opponents are S class, that's because he gambles a lot. I think not even JD and Flash can think of Kal as a pushover.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
December 01 2010 07:49 GMT
#1016
On December 01 2010 16:43 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 16:35 PoP wrote:
On December 01 2010 16:33 Milkis wrote:
you can say that for so many series

why are you skt fans so concerned only with results and not the players/teams lol

you guys are disgusting


People disappointed at someone for losing their team a won series is disgusting?

That's so wrong.

No one can deny Sun is extremely promising. But ignoring the fact that he made a critical mistake just out of 'player respect' or whatever would just be utterly stupid.

edit oh and btw no, losing a 99% won game that also happens to be decisive does not happen 'all the time' at all


You can be disappointed but blaming it on Sun is kinda dumb.

You don't have to ignore the critical mistake, although i don't think it was that critical at all -- he lost because he didnt have observers in the right places when the arbiter showed up, he played it rather safely before then.

Saying "Sun" lost it is rather stupid when SKT still had a chance after that didn't go well cause Kal outplayed Bisu this time.

The point is "Player X lost it for the team" blah blah remarks are extremely dumb because so many series are decided on critical mistakes -- it's almost as if you don't care if the game was good, especially when the remark sounded a lot more dumb result oriented and sounded like it had some weird tendency to avoid blaming Bisu for some reason when he's the one who lost the Ace match.


Bisu is not to be blamed Milkis you do not blame beautiful people for anything that's the rule of the universe. And on a side note he did stupid all-in and failed so there is just nothing to blame. You don't know what would have happened if he had played standard.
Khassar de Templari
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 07:52:37
December 01 2010 07:49 GMT
#1017
On December 01 2010 16:46 cascades wrote:
Nah Kal no longer chokes against Bisu. He used to, but he doesn't now. Most telling indicator of Bisu's non S-class status.

It's probably the fact that he won like 6 games off him. If Bisu wins a series or 2 off Kal it'll probably be better.
Also, why does Bisu keep trying all-ins when he hasn't even succeeded once?


On December 01 2010 16:49 mustaju wrote:I think not even JD and Flash can think of Kal as a pushover.

He sure does have a ridiculously horrible record against both of them. He really just demonstrates how good he can be, and then falls just short of that.
As sad as it is, I have to admit that right now Bisu is the same, except with more fans.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
December 01 2010 07:49 GMT
#1018
On December 01 2010 16:46 cascades wrote:
Nah Kal no longer chokes against Bisu. He used to, but he doesn't now. Most telling indicator of Bisu's non S-class status.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=125&part=games&vs=84&league=any&map=any&from_year=2005&from_month=9&from_day=28&to_year=2010&to_month=11&to_day=29&action=Update

what are you talking about lol
Ryusei-R1
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States2106 Posts
December 01 2010 07:50 GMT
#1019
Remember, we can't give all the credit to Kal for winning. Shuttle made an ENORMOUS comeback despite the odds, and Calm straight up outplayed Best. Canata is Canata, so blame him too.

But aww yeah, STX and Oz win in the same night. fuck yeah.
Jaedong plz
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
December 01 2010 07:51 GMT
#1020
On December 01 2010 16:50 Ryusei-R1 wrote:
Remember, we can't give all the credit to Kal for winning. Shuttle made an ENORMOUS comeback despite the odds, and Calm straight up outplayed Best. Canata is Canata, so blame him too.

But aww yeah, STX and Oz win in the same night. fuck yeah.

That is completely true. I'm so proud of my boys.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
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