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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9760 Posts
December 01 2010 17:48 GMT
#1061
New theory: STX can only beat SKT in the month of december, as evidence suggests.
boomer hands
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
December 01 2010 18:37 GMT
#1062
On December 01 2010 23:47 night terrors wrote:
Should have sent sun or paralyze instead of canata and a zerg versus shuttle. Weird coaching choices.


Grand Line is a fairly Terran-favored map right now (5-2 TvP, 9-4 TvZ). Given that, it's hard to fault the choice of Canata, even though Bogus/Classic was fairly predictable. With Calm playing already, STX didn't have another decent ZvTer to send, so fantasy would have been possible (and his TvT right now is fantastic) but sending a Protoss just doesn't seem smart given the map.

Benzene is currently picking up some of the PvP slack left by Central Plains; I'm guessing both Sun and Shuttle were put there on a map basis rather than given the lineup. Even if SKT wanted to try to pick off a Protoss, they couldn't know whether they'd get Shuttle or Kal, and I don't trust any SKT Zerg against Kal.

On December 01 2010 23:13 Renkaoru wrote:
SKT should have sent Fantasy imo. In form, he would wreck pretty much anyone STX could throw at him. I guess Coach Park wanted Bisu to win ace matches to level up his confidence. I wish Bisu just played a standard game though. Flash almost always plays standard and never loses. I guess its something he and Stork have in common. They are not confident enough to win using standard play with just superior management and micro.


SKT knew they were probably facing Kal, who's been very good against all Terrans except Flash for a long long time. Bisu already beat Kal once, and fantasy's "only" 3-2 against Protoss this year. I won't say fantasy would have been unreasonable, but there's no reason to say he was a better choice, either.
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
December 01 2010 18:53 GMT
#1063
I mean there's no way SKT fans can be mad here. Short of an absolutely abysmal slump for two rounds you're basically guaranteed to be #1.
Remember Violet.
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
December 01 2010 19:44 GMT
#1064
On December 02 2010 03:37 Musoeun wrote:
SKT knew they were probably facing Kal, who's been very good against all Terrans except Flash for a long long time. Bisu already beat Kal once, and fantasy's "only" 3-2 against Protoss this year. I won't say fantasy would have been unreasonable, but there's no reason to say he was a better choice, either.


The point is, if SKT sent Fantasy in ace match, Bisu's win streak will not be broken, and that is 100 times more important than being in the winning team in the final.

Bisu had already defeated Kal in the first match, why send him in Ace so that Kal could have a chance to take revenge. If they sent Fantasy and everyone would be happy regardless of the result.

Khassar de Templari
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
December 01 2010 20:59 GMT
#1065
Should have sent soO in Ace match.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
December 01 2010 21:17 GMT
#1066
On December 02 2010 05:59 zenMaster wrote:
Should have sent soO in Ace match.

Easy to be a Monday morning quarterback. Fact is if soO would have been sent out he would have been less likely to win than Bisu, and you would be here saying "Should have sent Bisu in Ace match "
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
December 01 2010 21:23 GMT
#1067
On December 02 2010 04:44 kamikami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 03:37 Musoeun wrote:
SKT knew they were probably facing Kal, who's been very good against all Terrans except Flash for a long long time. Bisu already beat Kal once, and fantasy's "only" 3-2 against Protoss this year. I won't say fantasy would have been unreasonable, but there's no reason to say he was a better choice, either.


The point is, if SKT sent Fantasy in ace match, Bisu's win streak will not be broken, and that is 100 times more important than being in the winning team in the final.

Bisu had already defeated Kal in the first match, why send him in Ace so that Kal could have a chance to take revenge. If they sent Fantasy and everyone would be happy regardless of the result.


I find this highly implausible. What I find more plausible goes like this:

SKT sends fantasy -> Kal wins.
99% of fanboys "OMG should have sent Bisu he's unbeatable right now SKT so dumb!!!!!"
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
PineappleLumpsToss
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand2434 Posts
December 01 2010 21:41 GMT
#1068
At the time I thought either of Bisu or Fantasy would've been good choices.

Both SKT Aces had their confidence up, and I think the deciding factor was probably the map.

I can't criticise Coach Park's tactics - the guys a genius. SKT > Bisu, so playing Fantasy to avoid the possibility of breaking Bisu's win streak is just mind-boggling to me.
Metalwing
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Turkey1038 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 21:59:38
December 01 2010 21:57 GMT
#1069

Statement: Bisu is unbeatable

Answer:

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#1 CheckPrime fan // Terrans gonna Terran
pieisamazing
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1234 Posts
December 02 2010 00:14 GMT
#1070
^Lol

perfect
connoisseur
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
December 02 2010 00:22 GMT
#1071
STX, FUCK YEAH!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44510 Posts
December 02 2010 00:25 GMT
#1072
Problem wasn't the ace match. Bisu played well; Kal played better.

Problem was By.Sun throwing away a won game (which would have made it 4-2) -.-'

Lack of experience? Probably. But there were plenty of other players SKT could have fielded instead of him.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
December 02 2010 00:48 GMT
#1073
why no pikachu ?
ace hwaiting!!
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13046 Posts
December 02 2010 00:55 GMT
#1074
wow kal vs bisu was preety sick lol. clutch dragon shutle micro O_O
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 00:59:12
December 02 2010 00:58 GMT
#1075
On December 02 2010 04:44 kamikami wrote:
The point is, if SKT sent Fantasy in ace match, Bisu's win streak will not be broken, and that is 100 times more important than being in the winning team in the final.

This is why people hate SKT fans.


edit: fuck yeah bogus I knew I was right to believe in him
The original Bogus fan.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
December 02 2010 01:06 GMT
#1076
On December 02 2010 09:48 soujiro_ wrote:
why no pikachu ?

He went all-in into the Bunkie suit.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
December 02 2010 02:21 GMT
#1077
On December 02 2010 09:58 Turbovolver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 04:44 kamikami wrote:
The point is, if SKT sent Fantasy in ace match, Bisu's win streak will not be broken, and that is 100 times more important than being in the winning team in the final.

This is why people hate SKT fans.

I think you missed the joke.

Anyway, good money says Terran do poorly on that map. Look at the player distribution for it: no terrans whatsoever. It's clear that teams are sending mostly protoss and occasionally zerg (about 2:1 iirc). It was likely Kal for STX, considering Calm is still wishy-washy, so SKT could've picked someone to snipe him. Bisu is as good as anyone (dominating this season + earlier win vs Kal), so unless they had a P or Z ready to snipe Kal, there's not much reason to send someone other than Bisu.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
December 02 2010 03:36 GMT
#1078
Just caught the Fantasy vs Frozen game...it was SO one-sided, amazing.
Frozen even has a slight smile after conceding...he knows he got worked.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
December 02 2010 08:23 GMT
#1079
Dang these were some intense games, awesome series too bad the ending :/

I also noticed in the end of game 3 of Ssak vs hero when the winner is doing the high-fives he (accidentally?) disses one player from the team. Made me laugh pretty hard lol.
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
December 02 2010 11:19 GMT
#1080
On December 02 2010 17:23 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Dang these were some intense games, awesome series too bad the ending :/

I also noticed in the end of game 3 of Ssak vs hero when the winner is doing the high-fives he (accidentally?) disses one player from the team. Made me laugh pretty hard lol.

Are you argueing the ending wasn't intense? Even if your favorite player loses, objectively, the game can still be really good.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
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