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Graham
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada1259 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-14 19:50:47
November 14 2010 19:42 GMT
#741
To be fair though, this is only one round of many.
KT had a few bad games towards the end of last season (Flash and his ACE match losing streak) and still managed to win it.

While this round may be a write-off, I'm sure they'll rebound and start kicking ass like usual. (Even teams like ACE were getting manhandled for all last year and still had a few rounds where they were owning).

The day to panic for KT is the day Flash starts slumping hardcore, but in his current form he is still dismantling even the best "vT" snipers.

The only questionable call is why the coaches continue to use clearly sub-par players such as Hoejja and Suny. If ForGG had gone out today instead of Suny, there would have been a much greater chance of KT success based on ForGG's TvZ. Instead, they decided to send out the clearly weak Suny and then had no choice but to send out someone OTHER than ForGG, because obviously Entus would send out Skyhigh to clean up any TvT.
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
November 14 2010 20:00 GMT
#742
The thing most people don't realize about the thumbs down ceremony is that it's been a CJ trademark for the past 5 years, savior was the one who started it (mostly in photoshoots tho) and skyhigh was the one who continued the tradition when he was still a promising rookie, it's a CJ thing.

Even if now they're all happy and smiling it's because of the influence from the former hite players, they still are Entus.
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
November 14 2010 20:23 GMT
#743
Glad Flash absolutely handed snow his ass though. His convincing PvT loss to snow last year was kinda the pink elephant throughout the year
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
November 14 2010 21:10 GMT
#744
When Flash scouted Snow's cheese and the commentator was like "OH MY GAH" I literally lol'd.

Oozo
Profile Joined December 2009
Finland432 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-14 21:49:26
November 14 2010 21:48 GMT
#745
On November 15 2010 06:10 zerious wrote:
When Flash scouted Snow's cheese and the commentator was like "OH MY GAH" I literally lol'd.



When I saw pylon position I sighed...

This kinda bugged me, I mean Flash has predicted every cheese with 100% chance. Literally, he has scouted everytime... luck, skill... sence? Whatever it is, kinda feels silly to try it over and over. And what the heck is that proxy position, how could someone with Flash caliber not even see it?

Whole game against Snow was mindnumbling onesided. I really hoped Snow would made it intresting game and even worth while, afterall it was in "recommended" section. Somehow the stigma of new player showed there.
SKT for OSL!
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
November 14 2010 21:56 GMT
#746
Just watched Flash vs Snow, and it was not what I expected, but I definitely agree with the recommendation. Flash somehow improved his TvP, by incorporating Boxer/Fantasy-esque drops in his game plan. At one point, you could just tell that Snow got completely dismantled and could not keep up with Flash's rhythm at all. Kind of felt like Bisu vs. Savior in their first encounter.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
November 14 2010 22:06 GMT
#747
MBC will 4-0 KT.

Jaehoon > Flash

You heard it here first.
yanmaodao
Profile Joined February 2010
United States430 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-14 23:05:31
November 14 2010 23:03 GMT
#748
Was out for the weekend, just got back.

I predicted a KT win (Horang2 < Action, Skyhigh < Violet, Snow < Flash, Leta > Forgg, Hydra > Hoejja, Hogil < Stats), glad that Hite pulled through! Leta getting back on track and beating a quality opponent (i.e. not Modesty), Skyhigh winning vs. P... wow.

Even as a Snow fan, I had a feeling that there would be a rematch and that Flash would take it. From reading the LR, it sounds like it was more one-sided than I would have hoped. Sigh... proxy gate then proxy robo? Really? Come on. I might watch it just for the incredible multitasking by Flash I've been hearing about, but I'll probably cringe.

Glad Mafiazerg finally won though, and is coming out of his slump. Speaking of Modesty earlier, though, Hite needs to purchase him. Then, with Skyhigh and Horang2, we'll have the whole damn set.

jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
November 14 2010 23:26 GMT
#749
Disappointed in Snow. His Winner's League cheese against Flash was much more solid, and only failed because Flash played perfectly. Here Flash played really well, but I feel Snow would have been better off with a macro game.
TheAngelofDeath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2033 Posts
November 15 2010 00:39 GMT
#750
Great job Hite! Keep fighting, keep winning! :D
"Infestors are the suck" - LzGamer
underxb
Profile Joined April 2010
Bahrain100 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-15 04:40:25
November 15 2010 04:38 GMT
#751
On November 15 2010 06:48 Jienny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2010 06:10 zerious wrote:
When Flash scouted Snow's cheese and the commentator was like "OH MY GAH" I literally lol'd.



When I saw pylon position I sighed...

This kinda bugged me, I mean Flash has predicted every cheese with 100% chance. Literally, he has scouted everytime... luck, skill... sence? Whatever it is, kinda feels silly to try it over and over. And what the heck is that proxy position, how could someone with Flash caliber not even see it?

Whole game against Snow was mindnumbling onesided. I really hoped Snow would made it intresting game and even worth while, afterall it was in "recommended" section. Somehow the stigma of new player showed there.



I have been skeptical that they could manage to see other's move with "totally internal reflection".

I hope someone from Korea could sit in those game cube and confirm whether there is reflection from glass that players could see the game play....

Think about it, how come snow would place a pylon so close to flash's base without scouting ...
They must somehow know other player's base...
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-15 05:09:43
November 15 2010 04:49 GMT
#752
On November 15 2010 13:38 underxb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2010 06:48 Jienny wrote:
On November 15 2010 06:10 zerious wrote:
When Flash scouted Snow's cheese and the commentator was like "OH MY GAH" I literally lol'd.



When I saw pylon position I sighed...

This kinda bugged me, I mean Flash has predicted every cheese with 100% chance. Literally, he has scouted everytime... luck, skill... sence? Whatever it is, kinda feels silly to try it over and over. And what the heck is that proxy position, how could someone with Flash caliber not even see it?

Whole game against Snow was mindnumbling onesided. I really hoped Snow would made it intresting game and even worth while, afterall it was in "recommended" section. Somehow the stigma of new player showed there.



I have been skeptical that they could manage to see other's move with "totally internal reflection".

I hope someone from Korea could sit in those game cube and confirm whether there is reflection from glass that players could see the game play....

Think about it, how come snow would place a pylon so close to flash's base without scouting ...
They must somehow know other player's base...


It's a 2 player map -_-. To look at something 10 meters across and see these phantom reflections off a small computer screen would be impossible, even if they are there. Hell, hold up a mirror in the booth and one would have to squint and take time to digest exactly what that tiny image is trying to say.

Flash scouts early and often, so it's not unthinkable that Flash sees it right off the bat. had the scv continued to snow's base, Flash would have seen something amiss anyway.
ZonaConcedes
Profile Joined August 2010
19 Posts
November 15 2010 07:11 GMT
#753
"Skyhigh...at the very least solid in TvZ"

Sorry, these two concepts do not go together. 1947 ELO <> "solid". In fact only two Terrans are lower: Notice and Suny.
Zona concedes.
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
November 15 2010 08:35 GMT
#754
On November 15 2010 06:56 Cambium wrote:
Just watched Flash vs Snow, and it was not what I expected, but I definitely agree with the recommendation. Flash somehow improved his TvP, by incorporating Boxer/Fantasy-esque drops in his game plan. At one point, you could just tell that Snow got completely dismantled and could not keep up with Flash's rhythm at all. Kind of felt like Bisu vs. Savior in their first encounter.

It looked like Snow had prepared an early rush. He let the gateway finish and Flash killed it, so he lost 150 really early. Not to mention the 100 minerals pylon and the loss of gas mining because of the late assimilator. Arguably Flash had an equal disadvantage because of pulling 4 SCVs.

In order to regain any kind of position in the game, Snow tried proxy reavers (a mineral heavy, gas light transition) while Flash could go dropships and fail because of his lead. It didn't feel much of a game once Flash scouted the robotics. And he let it live all game for the BM value. I'm sure deep down he still fears Snow
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
November 15 2010 10:41 GMT
#755
And he let it live all game for the BM value

Actually there are no BM or fear. It is common practices in Go to skip unnecessary movements and concentrate on important ones. The building was formally dead why bother about it?
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
November 16 2010 16:26 GMT
#756
Benzene looks really annoying for harass, REALLY annoying. So no wonder he chose that strategy. Didn't think it was a particularly impressive game considering it was over from the beginning basically.
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
November 16 2010 16:39 GMT
#757
On November 15 2010 19:41 Yodo wrote:
Show nested quote +
And he let it live all game for the BM value

Actually there are no BM or fear. It is common practices in Go to skip unnecessary movements and concentrate on important ones. The building was formally dead why bother about it?

It wasn't dead. Snow was making observers and shuttles from it all game. At one point the observers points to the robotics and there were two observers and a shuttle there.
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
November 16 2010 17:41 GMT
#758
On November 17 2010 01:39 Emon_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2010 19:41 Yodo wrote:
And he let it live all game for the BM value

Actually there are no BM or fear. It is common practices in Go to skip unnecessary movements and concentrate on important ones. The building was formally dead why bother about it?

It wasn't dead. Snow was making observers and shuttles from it all game. At one point the observers points to the robotics and there were two observers and a shuttle there.

I also think killing the robotics would be unnecessary. If Flash brings enough firepower into Snow's territory to take down the robotics, then he might as well go a little bit more distance to try to take down an expansion.
"To be fair, Kal played like absolute garbage. His noted inconsistency and bad record versus Jaedong high fived into a cacophony of suck." - TwoToneTerran
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
November 16 2010 17:48 GMT
#759
Lol Snow, what was that? It's not so easy if you don't have weeks to prepare for sniping a player busy with two individual leagues, eh?

Glad that Flash showed who's the boss here.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 16 2010 18:05 GMT
#760
On November 15 2010 17:35 Emon_ wrote:
I'm sure deep down he still fears Snow

GWAHAHAHAHAHA! That's the funniest thing I've ever heard. XD

Flash fears no one.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
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