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iliera
Profile Joined January 2010
Estonia78 Posts
August 29 2010 04:01 GMT
#3581
Made me feel for a sec that Flash didn't want to 3-0 Jaedong, so he lost the third and the fourth on purpose....
... BUT ...
To be honest I have to admit that the Triatlon game was pure brilliance from Jaedong. No zerg 9pools in it.

Oh and the whole fifth game was the best, srsly.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
August 29 2010 04:18 GMT
#3582
I really don't understand how can there be any Flash fans. What part of his play do people find so exciting? God, I tried not to watch the finals because I was afraid of jinxing things but I had a stupid sinking feeling the moment I checked this thread. BAH I SAY.
kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
August 29 2010 04:35 GMT
#3583
On August 29 2010 13:18 KissBlade wrote:
I really don't understand how can there be any Flash fans. What part of his play do people find so exciting? God, I tried not to watch the finals because I was afraid of jinxing things but I had a stupid sinking feeling the moment I checked this thread. BAH I SAY.


I think its the part of Flash's play where he wins.
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
August 29 2010 04:38 GMT
#3584
On August 29 2010 13:18 KissBlade wrote:
I really don't understand how can there be any Flash fans. What part of his play do people find so exciting? God, I tried not to watch the finals because I was afraid of jinxing things but I had a stupid sinking feeling the moment I checked this thread. BAH I SAY.

It's easy to cheer for the winning team. Hard times for zerg.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10347 Posts
August 29 2010 04:43 GMT
#3585
It's impressive that Jaedong even forced a fifth set.

Please let this be the last Jaedong vs Flash finals. I'll be rooting for Stork and Free this week.
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
August 29 2010 04:48 GMT
#3586
On August 29 2010 13:18 KissBlade wrote:
I really don't understand how can there be any Flash fans. What part of his play do people find so exciting? God, I tried not to watch the finals because I was afraid of jinxing things but I had a stupid sinking feeling the moment I checked this thread. BAH I SAY.



???? Why not? People can like different people and for different reasons. That's like saying how can there be any Jaedong fans? In my case, I personally love both Flash and Jaedong. Each are amazing in their own way. And also, SC for me is not really about the players, it's the game itself and what the players do with that game. SC is just an all around amazing game requiring so many decisive things that it all adds up to one masterpiece.
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
August 29 2010 04:58 GMT
#3587
On August 29 2010 13:18 KissBlade wrote:
I really don't understand how can there be any Flash fans. What part of his play do people find so exciting? God, I tried not to watch the finals because I was afraid of jinxing things but I had a stupid sinking feeling the moment I checked this thread. BAH I SAY.

To be honest, Flash makes me hate terran. I was going to learn to play terran, and Flash just about made me not want to. I think I'll still get around to it, just to know what it feels like.
Although there's a reason that Flash is far below Jaedong and Bisu in fans in Korea(as seen by All-Stars voting).
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Saturnize
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2473 Posts
August 29 2010 05:23 GMT
#3588
On August 29 2010 13:43 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
It's impressive that Jaedong even forced a fifth set.

Please let this be the last Jaedong vs Flash finals. I'll be rooting for Stork and Free this week.


TBH, I think that Flash just wanted to make it interesting so he kind of played around with JD a little bit like he was his big brother in games 3 and 4. Of course he wasn't going to just let him win the match little brother had to earn his rep.
"Time to put the mustard on the hotdog. -_-"
yelps
Profile Joined August 2010
United States12 Posts
August 29 2010 05:26 GMT
#3589
On August 29 2010 13:18 KissBlade wrote:
I really don't understand how can there be any Flash fans. What part of his play do people find so exciting? God, I tried not to watch the finals because I was afraid of jinxing things but I had a stupid sinking feeling the moment I checked this thread. BAH I SAY.


This is your opinion. People wonder the same thing about jaedong too
The only truth is the past
bluetrolls
Profile Joined October 2009
United States139 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-29 05:34:19
August 29 2010 05:26 GMT
#3590
On August 29 2010 13:18 KissBlade wrote:
I really don't understand how can there be any Flash fans. What part of his play do people find so exciting? God, I tried not to watch the finals because I was afraid of jinxing things but I had a stupid sinking feeling the moment I checked this thread. BAH I SAY.


Can you give some examples of Starcraft play you like?

A few moments from last night
- Novel goliath + marine build in set 1
- Surprising and flawless goliath push in set 2
- Marine vs lurker micro in set 3
- Scourge eraser micro in set 3
- Dual attacks in set 5
- Amazing micro in set 5, melting whole zerg armies without bating a lash. Zerg armies controlled by Jaedong, no less.

At micro level, there are easily 2-3 pimpest plays right there. At macro level, he is relentless in his attacks. No sooner than the opponent cleans his attack force and he's back again on the offensive with even a larger force. At strategic level, no other player gives a better sentiment of being in control; there is nothing the opponents can do to scratch him.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
August 29 2010 05:30 GMT
#3591
On August 29 2010 14:26 yelps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 13:18 KissBlade wrote:
I really don't understand how can there be any Flash fans. What part of his play do people find so exciting? God, I tried not to watch the finals because I was afraid of jinxing things but I had a stupid sinking feeling the moment I checked this thread. BAH I SAY.


This is your opinion. People wonder the same thing about jaedong too

I've seen very few people wondering what people like about Jaedong. He's probably the most liked player out of all of them right now.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
August 29 2010 05:34 GMT
#3592
On August 29 2010 14:30 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 14:26 yelps wrote:
On August 29 2010 13:18 KissBlade wrote:
I really don't understand how can there be any Flash fans. What part of his play do people find so exciting? God, I tried not to watch the finals because I was afraid of jinxing things but I had a stupid sinking feeling the moment I checked this thread. BAH I SAY.


This is your opinion. People wonder the same thing about jaedong too

I've seen very few people wondering what people like about Jaedong. He's probably the most liked player out of all of them right now.


Whats your point?

I find zerg to be the funnest race to watch but Jaedongs play inspires nothing in me at all. I much prefer watching action's late game or something of that nature. I much prefer Flash and Bisu. I felt they both brought huge things to their respective races.

Jaedong not soo much. He plays a near perfect well rounded zerg but i just find him disinteresting
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
bluetrolls
Profile Joined October 2009
United States139 Posts
August 29 2010 05:35 GMT
#3593
On August 29 2010 14:30 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 14:26 yelps wrote:
On August 29 2010 13:18 KissBlade wrote:
I really don't understand how can there be any Flash fans. What part of his play do people find so exciting? God, I tried not to watch the finals because I was afraid of jinxing things but I had a stupid sinking feeling the moment I checked this thread. BAH I SAY.


This is your opinion. People wonder the same thing about jaedong too

I've seen very few people wondering what people like about Jaedong. He's probably the most liked player out of all of them right now.


So what is it that makes you like Jaedong? (If you like him).
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 29 2010 05:47 GMT
#3594
On August 29 2010 13:18 KissBlade wrote:
I really don't understand how can there be any Flash fans. What part of his play do people find so exciting? God, I tried not to watch the finals because I was afraid of jinxing things but I had a stupid sinking feeling the moment I checked this thread. BAH I SAY.

Flash is perhaps the most interesting player in the entire scene right now. His builds and his overarching themes that he develops and expands upon in nearly every game is amazing to watch. Flash's TvZ rampage streak that he went on last year starting from his influential game vs Hero on HBR was perhaps the most exciting thing that happened in the past year.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-29 06:12:03
August 29 2010 05:52 GMT
#3595
On August 29 2010 14:35 bluetrolls wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 14:30 Lightwip wrote:
On August 29 2010 14:26 yelps wrote:
On August 29 2010 13:18 KissBlade wrote:
I really don't understand how can there be any Flash fans. What part of his play do people find so exciting? God, I tried not to watch the finals because I was afraid of jinxing things but I had a stupid sinking feeling the moment I checked this thread. BAH I SAY.


This is your opinion. People wonder the same thing about jaedong too

I've seen very few people wondering what people like about Jaedong. He's probably the most liked player out of all of them right now.


So what is it that makes you like Jaedong? (If you like him).

I suppose his control/mechanics. I like both Bisu and Stork more than Jaedong though.
I've heard from plenty of people that they like Flash for his ability to use terran powers the way he does, but I really don't like it as a non-terran player.
Honestly, the tendency of terrans to just sit with tanks and try to turtle their way through doesn't make me respect them much. I think an S class protoss/zerg is much harder to achieve.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-29 06:16:49
August 29 2010 05:54 GMT
#3596
On August 29 2010 14:34 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 14:30 Lightwip wrote:
On August 29 2010 14:26 yelps wrote:
On August 29 2010 13:18 KissBlade wrote:
I really don't understand how can there be any Flash fans. What part of his play do people find so exciting? God, I tried not to watch the finals because I was afraid of jinxing things but I had a stupid sinking feeling the moment I checked this thread. BAH I SAY.


This is your opinion. People wonder the same thing about jaedong too

I've seen very few people wondering what people like about Jaedong. He's probably the most liked player out of all of them right now.


Whats your point?

I find zerg to be the funnest race to watch but Jaedongs play inspires nothing in me at all. I much prefer watching action's late game or something of that nature. I much prefer Flash and Bisu. I felt they both brought huge things to their respective races.

Jaedong not soo much. He plays a near perfect well rounded zerg but i just find him disinteresting


Really, that's my opinion when it comes to Jaedong and Flash. They're perfect but that's what makes them uninteresting as both players and personalities. Personally, guys like Stork, Calm, and Fantasy are a lot more interesting and their series matches are, imho, a lot of enjoyable to watch even if the match quality is not as high.

Jaedong is more popular than Flash because awesome micro is extremely easy to understand and Jaedong is pretty much mechanics, mechanics, mechanics. A few years ago, you'd probably see many more people liking Boxer/Nada over Oov; its harder to see Oov's genius and risky play than it is to see Nada own Dongrae with yamato cannon cloning or Boxer dropping 6 marines inside some random zergs base and killing like 10 lurkers with them.

On August 29 2010 13:43 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
It's impressive that Jaedong even forced a fifth set.

Please let this be the last Jaedong vs Flash finals. I'll be rooting for Stork and Free this week.


I'd much rather Stork vs Flash (with Stork winning) because let's be honest here Stork will send Free back to school in PvP.

On August 29 2010 14:56 vRadiatioNv wrote:
Final note to Flash fanboys: we'll stop whining about map imbalances when you stop whining about Kespa's decision on game 3 in the Nate MSL. Seriously, anyone who knows anything about SC knows that Flash had no chance of winning that game, or the series for that matter. Although, to be fair, I understand that prolly 80% of Flash's fans are just Boxer/Terran obsessed noobs, and I certainly respect the 20% who manage to form unbiased opinions and actually know what they're talking about.


You can pretty much switch every instance of Flash with Jaedong in this post and it'd be still true.
vRadiatioNv
Profile Joined August 2010
United States139 Posts
August 29 2010 05:56 GMT
#3597
Just a few things:
I kinda figured Flash would take this. Both Flash and Jaedong are so close in terms of skill that any imbalance is almost a death sentence for the other player, and some these imbalances are pretty crazy. I honestly am surprised Jaedong even took 2 games. Still, Flash played brilliantly and I was kinda disappointed in Jaedong's play (especially in game 5). His Muta micro was really, REALLY, off. Seriously, he must have been misclicking like crazy. Then, his Mutas got irradiated... and he did not split them half fast enough...
Also, I agree with what others have been saying that Jaedong should play more offensively early game in order to punish Flash's fast expand builds. I don't mean anything too cheesy, just earlier pools (9, 12 pools) with more lings. Even if Flash easily holds the front with a bunker, Jaedong would still end up with speedlings on the ground and Mutas in the air giving him some mobile defense against Flash's pushes. Also, I felt Jaedong's lurkers were EXTREMELY late in all of the games he lost (I blame the 4hatch). Whenever Jaedong's Mutas were stalling I was thinking, "ok, Jaedong, your Lurkers should be coming into play right about now... Where are they?" And by the time the Lurkers got into play Jaedong had lost most of his Mutas and Flash had built up a huge force.
So overall, props to Flash.
Final note to Flash fanboys: we'll stop whining about map imbalances when you stop whining about Kespa's decision on game 3 in the Nate MSL. Seriously, anyone who knows anything about SC knows that Flash had no chance of winning that game, or the series for that matter. Although, to be fair, I understand that prolly 80% of Flash's fans are just Boxer/Terran obsessed noobs, and I certainly respect the 20% who manage to form unbiased opinions and actually know what they're talking about.
Assert
Profile Joined August 2010
12 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-29 06:15:13
August 29 2010 06:11 GMT
#3598
FLAShhhh!!!
Terran pride!!..
Umm So.. Does anyone know if he has a significant others?(excluding family)
All I wanted was for you to experience the happiness I had experience.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-29 06:28:33
August 29 2010 06:23 GMT
#3599
On August 29 2010 15:11 Assert wrote:
FLAShhhh!!!
Terran pride!!..
Umm So.. Does anyone know if he has a significant others?(excluding family)

Pretty sure that it's uncommon among progamers, Stork being the major exception.
And with what is currently happening with Stork+ what Boxer said in his biography, it's no surprise.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
machinus
Profile Joined January 2010
United States292 Posts
August 29 2010 06:33 GMT
#3600
do we have cermony anywhere?
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