EPTOn August 29 2010 05:11 arb wrote:
People who say Jaedong deserved it are the butthurt fanboys, who are angry over Flash raping him.
Its best to just ignore it and go on with your life.
If he deserved it he would have won it
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On August 29 2010 04:20 SubtleArt wrote:
It was still really imbalanced back then, even worse than the numbers indicate (as many pros have admitted). On top of that, those statistics were many bio --> mech switches ago. Have you noticed how every single zerg recently has thumbed down odd eye when they have the chance? Players like Midas Sea and Light have stated many times that Odd Eye is a haven for Terran in TvZ, especially with mech, and that if both sides play evenly then terran should win.
Also lol @ everyone saying "jaedong deserved it he shoulda went pool first". So easy to say in retrospect when we know exactly what flash played. I'm sure in game its a bit more complex, like "is he gonna 14CC again?" "what if he expects me to think he's gonna 14CC" "he's already done it 3 times this series, he's probably thinking I'm expecting it" "what if he decided to rax first?" "Do i play 3 hatch --> pool? what if he cheeses". Doesn't help that pool first openings are only good against cheese and 14CC, and leave you automatically behind vs 1 rax, which terrans do over 90% of the time.....
On August 29 2010 03:59 Wings wrote:
... what the heck?? News break for you. Odd-Eye 1 was 57% TvZ. Odd-Eye 2 was 52% TvZ. Odd-Eye 3 has had less than 10 games played on it so far. And it's the SAME. DAMN. MAP.
SO EVERYONE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT ODD-EYE, DAMMIT. I hope you all still remember that JD "BEAT" Flash on this map a while ago on that infamous Power Outage.
On August 29 2010 02:59 SubtleArt wrote:
Sorry but he couldn't do anything BUT play into Flash's hands. Shitty map pool forced him to prepare risky, high econ builds, which Flash was easily able to predict and punish. What else was he supposed to do? Flash is too good to lose to some mass muta BS, and playing safe or standard is pretty much guarenteed to get u killed on every map but FS, especially with the bio --> mech switch thing. Better luck in the OSL jaedong, at least dreamliner actually favors zerg.
Also, fuck Odd-Eye. Why is it even in the map pool still? 71% TvZ?
Remember this joke of a map?
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/maps/201_Battle_Royal
Guess what, it was also 71% before they decided to remove it because of how ridiculous it was. Why can't we remove Odd Eye and have one of the older maps or something? Heck, even matchpoint seems fine.
On August 29 2010 01:38 Reggiegigas wrote:
Flash vs Jaedong is, honestly, the most boring matchup in E-Sports.
It's so predictable. The final game being the best example of this. I got this massive sense of deja-vu as I watched it. Simply because I've seen this exact game so many times. I could predict everything. Timings, expansions, movements on the map, everything. And JD played so uninspired. He did nothing special, playing completely into Flash's hands, and basically lost the moment the game started and he built his first drone. At no point was it close. His mutas never got close to Flash's mineral lines. Flash got momentum easily and kept it til he won. JD did nothing but struggle and gg.
I love JD, and it might seem like I'm just an angry, upset JD fan, but hell, I'm mostly just disappointed in him. It wasn't that Flash played well, he played standard. It was that JD played so fucking bad.
Flash vs Jaedong is, honestly, the most boring matchup in E-Sports.
It's so predictable. The final game being the best example of this. I got this massive sense of deja-vu as I watched it. Simply because I've seen this exact game so many times. I could predict everything. Timings, expansions, movements on the map, everything. And JD played so uninspired. He did nothing special, playing completely into Flash's hands, and basically lost the moment the game started and he built his first drone. At no point was it close. His mutas never got close to Flash's mineral lines. Flash got momentum easily and kept it til he won. JD did nothing but struggle and gg.
I love JD, and it might seem like I'm just an angry, upset JD fan, but hell, I'm mostly just disappointed in him. It wasn't that Flash played well, he played standard. It was that JD played so fucking bad.
Sorry but he couldn't do anything BUT play into Flash's hands. Shitty map pool forced him to prepare risky, high econ builds, which Flash was easily able to predict and punish. What else was he supposed to do? Flash is too good to lose to some mass muta BS, and playing safe or standard is pretty much guarenteed to get u killed on every map but FS, especially with the bio --> mech switch thing. Better luck in the OSL jaedong, at least dreamliner actually favors zerg.
Also, fuck Odd-Eye. Why is it even in the map pool still? 71% TvZ?
Remember this joke of a map?
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/maps/201_Battle_Royal
Guess what, it was also 71% before they decided to remove it because of how ridiculous it was. Why can't we remove Odd Eye and have one of the older maps or something? Heck, even matchpoint seems fine.
... what the heck?? News break for you. Odd-Eye 1 was 57% TvZ. Odd-Eye 2 was 52% TvZ. Odd-Eye 3 has had less than 10 games played on it so far. And it's the SAME. DAMN. MAP.
SO EVERYONE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT ODD-EYE, DAMMIT. I hope you all still remember that JD "BEAT" Flash on this map a while ago on that infamous Power Outage.
It was still really imbalanced back then, even worse than the numbers indicate (as many pros have admitted). On top of that, those statistics were many bio --> mech switches ago. Have you noticed how every single zerg recently has thumbed down odd eye when they have the chance? Players like Midas Sea and Light have stated many times that Odd Eye is a haven for Terran in TvZ, especially with mech, and that if both sides play evenly then terran should win.
Also lol @ everyone saying "jaedong deserved it he shoulda went pool first". So easy to say in retrospect when we know exactly what flash played. I'm sure in game its a bit more complex, like "is he gonna 14CC again?" "what if he expects me to think he's gonna 14CC" "he's already done it 3 times this series, he's probably thinking I'm expecting it" "what if he decided to rax first?" "Do i play 3 hatch --> pool? what if he cheeses". Doesn't help that pool first openings are only good against cheese and 14CC, and leave you automatically behind vs 1 rax, which terrans do over 90% of the time.....
People who say Jaedong deserved it are the butthurt fanboys, who are angry over Flash raping him.
Its best to just ignore it and go on with your life.
If he deserved it he would have won it
I actually like Flash more, and don't really cheer fanatically over anything starcraft related. Also I wasn't really pissed when I wrote anything here, sorry if it came across like that
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