Set 1 games were your standard TvT's where loser was just outmacroed, thus losing. If you want to watch TvT, the first game was the best of the set as it was a tight game Set 2 game 1 was really awesome... lots of funny moments and finally a game where Terran doesn't play defense on Polaris vs Zerg and just waits it out till the gg. This was a fun(ny) and exciting game with lots of suspense definitely recommended. Set 2 Game 2 was very different, from both players, a player defending well, then losing it all, and struggling to try to get back. It was an okay game lots of aggressive plays although not the best of plays from both players, but watch if you have the time
On August 10 2010 20:18 Metalwing wrote: Lol, Leta 5-2 Flash and Light 3-1 Calm (Actually i know that Light is going to win but still i voted for Calm)
It's true Leta > Flash head to head but they haven't faced each other in more than half a year...will be interesting. And why'd you manually alter the races when tlpd-izing?
I believe in Clam, so sad how much he's fallen. Not that he was amazingly awesome for a considerable time frame but still. Flash is gonna eat Leta alive.
Given that Calm is slumping hard I give him no chance against Light whose TvZ is on fire lately.
Flash vs Leta is quite even, IMO. Leta has nothing else to practice for while Flash has both MSL and OSL as well as he is still probably hangover after the proleague finals.
I would normally say that people giving Leta such a high chance is ridiculous
but Lebesgue is right, Flash is again monstrously busy... he just won Proleague finals (for which I'm sure he practiced his ass off to make up for all the lost ace matches) and he's now in MSL/OSL... I'm pretty sure WCG is... barely important to him right now lol
Leta>Flash I hope. The other one can go either way and I wouldn't mind. I'm really kinda sick of seeing Flash winning, it's pretty damn boring and tends to create less than amusing games.
On August 11 2010 03:05 Wings wrote: I would normally say that people giving Leta such a high chance is ridiculous
but Lebesgue is right, Flash is again monstrously busy... he just won Proleague finals (for which I'm sure he practiced his ass off to make up for all the lost ace matches) and he's now in MSL/OSL... I'm pretty sure WCG is... barely important to him right now lol
You have to wonder. Flash has never been to a WCG finals before, and this could easily be the last WCG featuring broodwar. So it could be important. Not to mention this wcg is taking place in a very nice city. It's not everyday you get to have a paid vacation.
On August 11 2010 03:05 Wings wrote: I would normally say that people giving Leta such a high chance is ridiculous
but Lebesgue is right, Flash is again monstrously busy... he just won Proleague finals (for which I'm sure he practiced his ass off to make up for all the lost ace matches) and he's now in MSL/OSL... I'm pretty sure WCG is... barely important to him right now lol
You have to wonder. Flash has never been to a WCG finals before, and this could easily be the last WCG featuring broodwar. So it could be important. Not to mention this wcg is taking place in a very nice city. It's not everyday you get to have a paid vacation.
Flash said his two most important remaining goals after wining proleague finals are 1. surpass Nada for best career and 2. get a wcg gold.
On August 11 2010 03:05 Wings wrote: I would normally say that people giving Leta such a high chance is ridiculous
but Lebesgue is right, Flash is again monstrously busy... he just won Proleague finals (for which I'm sure he practiced his ass off to make up for all the lost ace matches) and he's now in MSL/OSL... I'm pretty sure WCG is... barely important to him right now lol
You have to wonder. Flash has never been to a WCG finals before, and this could easily be the last WCG featuring broodwar. So it could be important. Not to mention this wcg is taking place in a very nice city. It's not everyday you get to have a paid vacation.
Flash said his two most important remaining goals after wining proleague finals are 1. surpass Nada for best career and 2. get a wcg gold.
On August 11 2010 03:05 Wings wrote: I would normally say that people giving Leta such a high chance is ridiculous
but Lebesgue is right, Flash is again monstrously busy... he just won Proleague finals (for which I'm sure he practiced his ass off to make up for all the lost ace matches) and he's now in MSL/OSL... I'm pretty sure WCG is... barely important to him right now lol
You have to wonder. Flash has never been to a WCG finals before, and this could easily be the last WCG featuring broodwar. So it could be important. Not to mention this wcg is taking place in a very nice city. It's not everyday you get to have a paid vacation.
Flash said his two most important remaining goals after wining proleague finals are 1. surpass Nada for best career and 2. get a wcg gold.
On August 11 2010 03:05 Wings wrote: I would normally say that people giving Leta such a high chance is ridiculous
but Lebesgue is right, Flash is again monstrously busy... he just won Proleague finals (for which I'm sure he practiced his ass off to make up for all the lost ace matches) and he's now in MSL/OSL... I'm pretty sure WCG is... barely important to him right now lol
You have to wonder. Flash has never been to a WCG finals before, and this could easily be the last WCG featuring broodwar. So it could be important. Not to mention this wcg is taking place in a very nice city. It's not everyday you get to have a paid vacation.
Flash said his two most important remaining goals after wining proleague finals are 1. surpass Nada for best career and 2. get a wcg gold.
I sure hope he achieves neither.
Despite me being the die hard flash fanboy, realistically, surpasing nada is pretty much impossible at this point (sc2) but when he wins tonight, I'm sure he'll get the gold
On August 11 2010 03:05 Wings wrote: I would normally say that people giving Leta such a high chance is ridiculous
but Lebesgue is right, Flash is again monstrously busy... he just won Proleague finals (for which I'm sure he practiced his ass off to make up for all the lost ace matches) and he's now in MSL/OSL... I'm pretty sure WCG is... barely important to him right now lol
You have to wonder. Flash has never been to a WCG finals before, and this could easily be the last WCG featuring broodwar. So it could be important. Not to mention this wcg is taking place in a very nice city. It's not everyday you get to have a paid vacation.
Flash said his two most important remaining goals after wining proleague finals are 1. surpass Nada for best career and 2. get a wcg gold.
I sure hope he achieves neither.
Despite me being the die hard flash fanboy, realistically, surpasing nada is pretty much impossible at this point (sc2) but when he wins tonight, I'm sure he'll get the gold
No one is even close to NaDa as "Greatest of All Time."
NaDa is not the greatest for winning 6 Starleague golds. He is not the greatest for being in 10 finals. He is not the greatest for spending 8 years in the KeSPA top 30, mostly ranked among the top 5. He is not the greatest for Gold Grand Slamming (winning three major leagues at the same time).
He is the greatest for coming back to challenge the throne of #1 gamer in all Starcraft against both the bonjwas who came after him -- at the height of their respective careers (YATGK/IOPS run, going Gold/Silver simultaneously in both Starleagues in the season after Oov beat Boxer in Ever 2004 OSL; getting a Gold in Shinhan-2 OSL, then facing off against Savior and getting Silver in Shinhan-3 OSL, coming back to avenge his loss by beating Savior in OGN Masters, becoming the first Terran to win a bo5 over our Zerg bonjwa).
You can almost say that there cannot be a bonjwa until NaDa challenges the throne!
Lol i guess i worded it wrong I meant surpass nada's 3 osl and 3 Msl record Yeah nada is pretty much the best player stats wise.. Plus his epic comebacks :D btw I've never heard of this Zerg bonjwa...
nice timing and discovery of that hole in the defense by flash, but you have to wonder what leta was thinking with those gols doing nothing during the decisive battle.
On August 11 2010 12:34 Black Gun wrote: did i see this right, leta had a squad of gols standing just 1.5 screens away during the bc fight? he could have easily held it off with them....
Flash brought tanks too, he sieged them in good position
On August 11 2010 12:34 Black Gun wrote: did i see this right, leta had a squad of gols standing just 1.5 screens away during the bc fight? he could have easily held it off with them....
4 tanks sieged
You are right, there were 4 tanks sieged between the gols and the BC fight
On August 11 2010 12:34 Black Gun wrote: did i see this right, leta had a squad of gols standing just 1.5 screens away during the bc fight? he could have easily held it off with them....
I don't see how it's a WTF moment at all, Flash brought up his tanks and placed them between his BCs and Leta's goliaths. It was simply a good move by Flash to prevent Leta from reinforcing.
On August 11 2010 12:34 Black Gun wrote: did i see this right, leta had a squad of gols standing just 1.5 screens away during the bc fight? he could have easily held it off with them....
4 tanks sieged
You are right, there were 4 tanks sieged between the gols and the BC fight
Yeap, so the gols wouldn't help that much.
Leta was donw on the BCs count, air upgrade and didn't use yamato... Not much he could do there
On August 11 2010 12:34 Black Gun wrote: did i see this right, leta had a squad of gols standing just 1.5 screens away during the bc fight? he could have easily held it off with them....
Flash brought tanks too, he sieged them in good position
Wasn't it only two tanks? Surely it was worth throwing the Goliaths into the fray --- even if they all got vaporized, it couldn't have turned out worse than it did for Leta. A couple of volleys could have been crucial.
edit: Well, clearly I missed something. There were tanks in between? Then I have to hand it to Flash, that was an "ee han timing" moment.
On August 11 2010 12:37 jalstar wrote: I don't see how it's a WTF moment at all, Flash brought up his tanks and placed them between his BCs and Leta's goliaths. It was simply a good move by Flash to prevent Leta from reinforcing.
Yep I forgot them, my bad. That being said, maybe Leta could have targetd them with his BCs, then brought goliaths ? Pretty sur it would have been bad too though.
Yes, Flash had tanks so Leta couldn't just suicide his goliaths in. And man, Leta had a pretty big advantage... or so I thought, until Flash just killed his wraiths, rushed to BCs, and pulled off that brilliant divide. Btw, Flash only appeared to have macroed better because he never took the second mineral only. Leta had 3000 minerals because he didn't have enough gas (which happens in TvT).
On August 11 2010 12:37 jalstar wrote: I don't see how it's a WTF moment at all, Flash brought up his tanks and placed them between his BCs and Leta's goliaths. It was simply a good move by Flash to prevent Leta from reinforcing.
Yep I forgot them, my bad. That being said, maybe Leta could have targetd them with his BCs, then brought goliaths ? Pretty sur it would have been bad too though.
That's TvT though, if you're not positioned correctly you get owned.
On August 11 2010 12:41 muramasa wrote: I haven't watched much BW lately. Is rax-cc with no marines pretty common these days?
I wonder the same. Haven't been watching sc that much for a month or tow but it seems quite new to me.
It started a few months back as a reaction to 12 nex from Toss but now it's used in TvT as a standard opening. It's been here in TvT for at least a month or two now.
On August 11 2010 12:41 muramasa wrote: I haven't watched much BW lately. Is rax-cc with no marines pretty common these days?
I wonder the same. Haven't been watching sc that much for a month or tow but it seems quite new to me.
It started a few months back as a reaction to 12 nex from Toss but now it's used in TvT as a standard opening. It's been here in TvT for at least a month or two now.
Yeah, I remember Flash using it in PvT but its the first time I see it in TvT. I guess it is enough not to watch sc for month that much to lose the touch with newest trends.
Flash sniping SCVs w/wraith while his own economy goes unmolested... but he's bought wraiths instead of real fighting units, so he has to make some damage. (And he lost a couple.)
Good try by Leta, thought he really stood a chance. Fix ups on management, decision making, and macro seems enough to make his gaming great. On a side note, I've grown a new-found respect for TvTs...
I think those 2 barracks snipes really hurt Leta's macro as he couldn't get his factories down fast enough, but that shouldn't be enough of a reason for banking 2k/2k... If he had macroed better, he probably would've stood a much better chance.
I don't think its possible to for Light to lose on Polaris Rhapsody if you saw his game plan against Effort, it seems really hard to break a strong mech strategy on that map =/.
On August 11 2010 13:06 okum wrote: As always when Flash plays TvT, the games should be recommended for TvT enthusiasts (even if these weren't the most exciting).
Lol I'm not gonna recommend a game just cause (insert player here) was playing... xD. Thats pretty biased... but my favorite player isn't in WCG so T^T...
On August 11 2010 13:06 okum wrote: As always when Flash plays TvT, the games should be recommended for TvT enthusiasts (even if these weren't the most exciting).
Lol I'm not gonna recommend a game just cause (insert player here) was playing... xD. Thats pretty biased... but my favorite player isn't in WCG so T^T...
As usual, they should be recommended as the textbook examples they are.
recommend game1 flash v leta. flash far outnumbered but by some crazy tank positioning vaporizes 40+ supply worth of letas army evening it up and cruises his way to victory.
Calm has to pull back his mutas to kill 1 lone firebat at his 3rd, which means he will be able to do almost do damage with mutas. 2nd firebat gets 2 kills before dieing to a newly spawned muta.
pure air army for calm, doing a tremendous job keeping light in his base with his mutas. but light moves out now, right as the gaurds finish and start attacking. Light going for an all-in counter, his base is getting raped
Light says fuck siege mode and a-moves through the sunks. loses 2 tanks but kills the nat and starts moving to the main, guards in main ready to defend, guards being pushed out of light's main but they turn around and kill everything
Calm discovers the base at 7.5 that is currently building.
Wraiths take out the overlords that were granting vision to Calm's forces, he loses his guards at Mind's base, but not before destroying all but 1 supply depot.
What the hell? I've seen some unenthusiastic cheers from the audience before but the one for Light just now sounded like fricking zombies drinking holy water with crosses as chopsticks
On August 11 2010 13:39 Taekwon wrote: What the hell? I've seen some unenthusiastic cheers from the audience before but the one for Light just now sounded like fricking zombies drinking holy water with crosses as chopsticks
Vey intersting analogy... But I have to agree I guess light fans are invisible too
On August 11 2010 13:39 Taekwon wrote: What the hell? I've seen some unenthusiastic cheers from the audience before but the one for Light just now sounded like fricking zombies drinking holy water with crosses as chopsticks
Vey intersting analogy... But I have to agree I guess light fans are invisible too
On August 11 2010 13:39 Taekwon wrote: What the hell? I've seen some unenthusiastic cheers from the audience before but the one for Light just now sounded like fricking zombies drinking holy water with crosses as chopsticks
The venue is like 1/4 full. I guess they're all playing SC2 :o
oh wow VERY nice drone pull from calm. idk what woulda happenend if Light waited for firebats to start that attack. oh but it doesnt matter, light breaks the remaining sunks easily.
Light focused sunkens instead of drones. Seemed dumb, but then it let him break the nat because Calm didn't add any sunkens after the initial failed break.
Now Calm is rebuilding his nat instead of taking his third, but mutas are out and harassing.
blah gg. Neither player was that great today. Light was pretty sloppy in his marine vs muta control but w/e he's terran. Calm actually played really well but had 2 or 3 fatal misjudgments in the series.
On August 11 2010 13:53 astalkulo wrote: Terrans are ruling this WCG and the MSL boring.... what's going on?
Well, to be fair, after his series vs Flash back in EVER OSL, Calm can't seem to ZvT for shit. And Light pretty much has the best in the game (minus Flash)
On August 11 2010 13:53 astalkulo wrote: Terrans are ruling this WCG boring.... what's going on?
Meh, no reason to complain about Terran imba if Zerg's gonna play like this.
Not trying to start an argument about imba. It's just interesting to see so few protoss and zergs lately in ind. leagues
W/e. We had protoss era with the 6 dragons, zerg era last year, now its terrans turn I guess. Honestly aside from flash and fantasy there have been almost no stand out terrans making it deep into leagues for a while.
And yes, maps play a huge role. The protoss era had terrible TvP maps (Katrina? are you kidding?) Zerg era had great ZvT and ZvP maps (bluestorm for example) Now the map pool is pretty good for terran (grandline, fighting spirit)
On August 11 2010 13:53 astalkulo wrote: Terrans are ruling this WCG boring.... what's going on?
Meh, no reason to complain about Terran imba if Zerg's gonna play like this.
Not trying to start an argument about imba. It's just interesting to see so few protoss and zergs lately in ind. leagues
W/e. We had protoss era with the 6 dragons, zerg era last year, now its terrans turn I guess. Honestly aside from flash and fantasy there have been almost no stand out terrans making it deep into leagues for a while.
And yes, maps play a huge role. The protoss era had terrible TvP maps (Katrina? are you kidding?) Zerg era had great ZvT and ZvP maps (bluestorm for example) Now the map pool is pretty good for terran (grandline, fighting spirit)
The protoss era was after Katrina and Swarm Season was wayyyyy after Bluestorm. Not sure what maps though, but yeah they played a crucial role.
On August 11 2010 13:53 astalkulo wrote: Terrans are ruling this WCG boring.... what's going on?
Meh, no reason to complain about Terran imba if Zerg's gonna play like this.
Not trying to start an argument about imba. It's just interesting to see so few protoss and zergs lately in ind. leagues
W/e. We had protoss era with the 6 dragons, zerg era last year, now its terrans turn I guess. Honestly aside from flash and fantasy there have been almost no stand out terrans making it deep into leagues for a while.
And yes, maps play a huge role. The protoss era had terrible TvP maps (Katrina? are you kidding?) Zerg era had great ZvT and ZvP maps (bluestorm for example) Now the map pool is pretty good for terran (grandline, fighting spirit)
By default, Terran is more dominant than Zerg is more dominant than Protoss. If that isn't the case, it's remarkable - like Swarm Season (when ZvT favored Zerg!!!), or the Golden Few Months of Protoss.
Katrina was before the Protoss era, likewise Bluestorm was before the Zerg era, but maps do play a huge role.
On August 11 2010 13:53 astalkulo wrote: Terrans are ruling this WCG boring.... what's going on?
Meh, no reason to complain about Terran imba if Zerg's gonna play like this.
Not trying to start an argument about imba. It's just interesting to see so few protoss and zergs lately in ind. leagues
W/e. We had protoss era with the 6 dragons, zerg era last year, now its terrans turn I guess. Honestly aside from flash and fantasy there have been almost no stand out terrans making it deep into leagues for a while.
And yes, maps play a huge role. The protoss era had terrible TvP maps (Katrina? are you kidding?) Zerg era had great ZvT and ZvP maps (bluestorm for example) Now the map pool is pretty good for terran (grandline, fighting spirit)
By default, Terran is more dominant than Zerg is more dominant than Protoss. If that isn't the case, it's remarkable - like Swarm Season (when ZvT favored Zerg!!!), or the Golden Few Months of Protoss.
Katrina was before the Protoss era, likewise Bluestorm was before the Zerg era, but maps do play a huge role.
People say that the swarm season favored ZvT, but the ZvT rate was actually pretty close to 50% at those times (which says something about TvZ lol). I'd say the time when the matchup was most reversed was after the advent of savior's 3 hatch, but that was more due to the build rather than the maps at the time.
I love how the Flash - Leta poll was maybe 52% in favor of Flash before the games, and now its more like 60-70% >
What was Calm doing once he got Guardians? It just looked like he zoned out and stopped controlling anything at that time. The drones weren't mining, scourge/Overlords were sitting ducks for wraiths. It was a really sad way to lose when the other guy basically had nothing, a 23 supply consisting of 19 scvs and 2 wraiths.
On August 11 2010 13:53 astalkulo wrote: Terrans are ruling this WCG boring.... what's going on?
Meh, no reason to complain about Terran imba if Zerg's gonna play like this.
Not trying to start an argument about imba. It's just interesting to see so few protoss and zergs lately in ind. leagues
W/e. We had protoss era with the 6 dragons, zerg era last year, now its terrans turn I guess. Honestly aside from flash and fantasy there have been almost no stand out terrans making it deep into leagues for a while.
And yes, maps play a huge role. The protoss era had terrible TvP maps (Katrina? are you kidding?) Zerg era had great ZvT and ZvP maps (bluestorm for example) Now the map pool is pretty good for terran (grandline, fighting spirit)
The protoss era was after Katrina and Swarm Season was wayyyyy after Bluestorm. Not sure what maps though, but yeah they played a crucial role.
The golden age for protoss started with maps like Medusa, Chupung-Ryeong, Colloseum II and Destination.
Then came maps like Outsider, Neo Harmony (P graveyard in PvZ) and Heartbreak Ridge which were a bit Zerg favored and allowed Zergs to have good fighting chance against Terrans while Terrans struggled against Protosses.
At least that's how I remember. Probably more research would shed more light into exact impact of maps on race domination.
I'm not sure if someone has linked this already but I found the flash vs leta vods up on youtube already. (If you dont wanna wait for the TL ones I suppose)
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Flash vs 
Calm vs 
gogo game 2 and 3! shin sang moon hwaiting!
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