~ To prevent further confusion, these games are only the first in the series, so only 4 games were played tonight. The rest of the series will be held at a later date ~
On July 22 2010 18:19 TwoToneTerran wrote: Remember guys, today is merely the first game of the series! It'd be suicide to schedule 4 whole series on the same day.
MIDAS!!!! BISU!!!! EGH FANTASY why'd you meet up with Hyuk already.... SKT can't team kill already! OH well... Fantasy's TvZ vs HYUK HYUKKING~ :D wonder who'll take the game :D
Midas has three marines in nowhereland, loses them all, but EffOrt isn't making more, so Midas survives. So much for an early game push though, he'll probably have to defend for a while now.
Midas has defended all of EffOrt's attacks, but he's taken quite a bit of damage each time. So while EffOrt has invested quite a bit in this, he's already at hive... and there's t he defiler.
On July 22 2010 18:49 ssj114 wrote: Guys, let's be realistic. Effort beat Flash 3 times in a row when Flash was at his peak. Midas is the underdog here.
Yeah, OctZerg beat Idra s few times, he is clearly favored versus all other terran user, oh wait
On July 22 2010 18:49 ssj114 wrote: Guys, let's be realistic. Effort beat Flash 3 times in a row when Flash was at his peak. Midas is the underdog here.
Effort is 5-5 in his last 10 games vs T and overall he has just a 55% winrate. Midas is 6-4 in his last 10 games vs Z with a 67% winrate.
/edit: And 3 of Midas 4 losses result from Jaedong.
For how much EffOrt has dominated this game, he sure has spent a lot of time messing around, instead of just dropping the hammerblow when he could've and ending it painlessly.
On July 22 2010 18:49 ssj114 wrote: Guys, let's be realistic. Effort beat Flash 3 times in a row when Flash was at his peak. Midas is the underdog here.
Effort is 5-5 in his last 10 games vs T and overall he has just a 55% winrate. Midas is 6-4 in his last 10 games vs Z with a 67% winrate.
yeah but alot of that 67% is from a different time man
On July 22 2010 18:49 ssj114 wrote: Guys, let's be realistic. Effort beat Flash 3 times in a row when Flash was at his peak. Midas is the underdog here.
Yeah, OctZerg beat Idra s few times, he is clearly favored versus all other terran user, oh wait
Effort beat Flash on the biggest stage in the final. Three times in a row.
On July 22 2010 18:49 ssj114 wrote: Guys, let's be realistic. Effort beat Flash 3 times in a row when Flash was at his peak. Midas is the underdog here.
Yeah, OctZerg beat Idra s few times, he is clearly favored versus all other terran user, oh wait
Effort beat Flash on the biggest stage in the final. Three times in a row.
On July 22 2010 18:49 ssj114 wrote: Guys, let's be realistic. Effort beat Flash 3 times in a row when Flash was at his peak. Midas is the underdog here.
Yeah, OctZerg beat Idra s few times, he is clearly favored versus all other terran user, oh wait
Effort beat Flash on the biggest stage in the final. Three times in a row.
On July 22 2010 18:52 Paddington wrote: For how much EffOrt has dominated this game, he sure has spent a lot of time messing around, instead of just dropping the hammerblow when he could've and ending it painlessly.
i dont think it's "messing around" rather effort making the right transitions to deal with mech
On July 22 2010 18:49 ssj114 wrote: Guys, let's be realistic. Effort beat Flash 3 times in a row when Flash was at his peak. Midas is the underdog here.
Yeah, OctZerg beat Idra s few times, he is clearly favored versus all other terran user, oh wait
Effort beat Flash on the biggest stage in the final. Three times in a row.
3 ling all-ins...in a row
No. Game 3 was beautiful hidden 2hatch muta
Game 4 was a beautiful scout then a logical reaction.
By the way, the quality of the stream I'm watching is pretty crap, and also I only started watching the game 5 minutes ago...but why do you guys keep writing that Midas has lost the game?
On July 22 2010 18:55 ssj114 wrote: By the way, the quality of the stream I'm watching is pretty crap, and also I only started watching the game 5 minutes ago...but why do you guys keep writing that Midas has lost the game?
On July 22 2010 18:55 ssj114 wrote: By the way, the quality of the stream I'm watching is pretty crap, and also I only started watching the game 5 minutes ago...but why do you guys keep writing that Midas has lost the game?
On July 22 2010 18:55 ssj114 wrote: By the way, the quality of the stream I'm watching is pretty crap, and also I only started watching the game 5 minutes ago...but why do you guys keep writing that Midas has lost the game?
On July 22 2010 18:49 ssj114 wrote: Guys, let's be realistic. Effort beat Flash 3 times in a row when Flash was at his peak. Midas is the underdog here.
Yeah, OctZerg beat Idra s few times, he is clearly favored versus all other terran user, oh wait
Effort beat Flash on the biggest stage in the final. Three times in a row.
3 ling all-ins...in a row
Just shows how crap Flash is then?
Just shows that you can't make assumpions on someones skill based solely on one win, because it was kinda cheesy, and we can see that this game is really different from those
On July 22 2010 18:57 sixfour wrote: Cows coming soon.
Effort's showing Midas that he can still beat him while playing with him and messing around. It's too get a psychological advantage for the next games of the bo3, just like building a manner CC or using scouts, or queens ! Effort is such a genius
Not to surprising. Effort's early and midgame is insanely strong but always seems a bit off in the late game, especially against mech where spamming ultralisks and zerglings is a surefire way of cutting yourself with a double edged sword.
Gosh though this game should be over what is this Effort.
GG from Midas, very sloppy start for Midas, marines idling and letting lings in and out sniping scv. Started to get himself together after that but Effort was already taking bases.
On July 22 2010 19:01 FireBlast! wrote: i dont know why people think effort is playing "sloppy" or "choking" he's been playing out his lead perfectly from the start
On July 22 2010 19:00 endy wrote: Effort's showing Midas that he can still beat him while playing with him and messing around. It's too get a psychological advantage for the next games of the bo3, just like building a manner CC or using scouts, or queens ! Effort is such a genius
Are you serious or is that a sarcastic joke about dumb Effort fanboys? = S
On July 22 2010 19:01 FireBlast! wrote: i dont know why people think effort is playing "sloppy" or "choking" he's been playing out his lead perfectly from the start
midas has barely been running
lurkers against mech is playing perfectly...?
i dont see anything wrong with using lurk/defiler + guardians into ultra ling to hold off terran advance and denying expos.
On July 22 2010 19:01 FireBlast! wrote: i dont know why people think effort is playing "sloppy" or "choking" he's been playing out his lead perfectly from the start
midas has barely been running
lurkers against mech is playing perfectly...?
oh not like midas went bio for the first 10 minutes or anything ??????????
Man, that was pretty much the best time to go Guards that I've ever seen (only ~1 control group of rines, no vessels, valks had been sniped) and they were still easily dealt with. Delayed his Ultras, too. Effort's largely to blame for the lack of Scourge support, though.
Am I the only who think that this was full of great multitasking? I mean seriously guys, obviously Midas and Effort did other stuff on the map while the observer clearly focused on the wrong stuff!
On July 22 2010 19:01 FireBlast! wrote: i dont know why people think effort is playing "sloppy" or "choking" he's been playing out his lead perfectly from the start
midas has barely been running
lurkers against mech is playing perfectly...?
oh not like midas went bio for the first 10 minutes or anything ??????????
Yeah, but Effort should have stopped making lurkers once he saw baracks floating
On July 22 2010 19:00 endy wrote: Effort's showing Midas that he can still beat him while playing with him and messing around. It's too get a psychological advantage for the next games of the bo3, just like building a manner CC or using scouts, or queens ! Effort is such a genius
Are you serious or is that a sarcastic joke about dumb Effort fanboys? = S
Of course I was serious, I wrote this even before Effort made his manner hatch which confirms how right I was
On July 22 2010 19:01 FireBlast! wrote: i dont know why people think effort is playing "sloppy" or "choking" he's been playing out his lead perfectly from the start
midas has barely been running
lurkers against mech is playing perfectly...?
burrowed lurkers under swarm are still invincible to mech and Effort used the combo nicely all game to defend the base at 9
On July 22 2010 19:08 purpose wrote: What is Terran supposed to do vs Dark Swarm? Dont watch tvz that much but with only ranged units it looks shit hard to beat it?
On July 22 2010 19:08 purpose wrote: What is Terran supposed to do vs Dark Swarm? Dont watch tvz that much but with only ranged units it looks shit hard to beat it?
On July 22 2010 19:08 purpose wrote: What is Terran supposed to do vs Dark Swarm? Dont watch tvz that much but with only ranged units it looks shit hard to beat it?
On July 22 2010 19:08 purpose wrote: What is Terran supposed to do vs Dark Swarm? Dont watch tvz that much but with only ranged units it looks shit hard to beat it?
Midas didn't do any irradiates that game at all. Defilers just did whatever the fuck they wanted.
On July 22 2010 19:08 purpose wrote: What is Terran supposed to do vs Dark Swarm? Dont watch tvz that much but with only ranged units it looks shit hard to beat it?
On July 22 2010 19:08 purpose wrote: What is Terran supposed to do vs Dark Swarm? Dont watch tvz that much but with only ranged units it looks shit hard to beat it?
Midas didn't do any irradiates that game at all. Defilers just did whatever the fuck they wanted.
I don't think he had any vessels that game. Although some defilers did die to some mines laying about haha
yeah the game basically showed what happens in a game with an unholy trinity of imba spells where one of the parties doesn't use theirs. needs moar vessels.
On July 22 2010 19:08 purpose wrote: What is Terran supposed to do vs Dark Swarm? Dont watch tvz that much but with only ranged units it looks shit hard to beat it?
Yeah it's hard. Firebats, tanks and mines can sometimes really throw off a Zerg who expects to be immortal under a swarm, but other than that, you have to play a waiting game with irradiate. Of course, it helps that Zerg has to play catch-up for the whole game before getting to Swarm. It's a really cool matchup, you should watch more of it.
On July 22 2010 19:08 purpose wrote: What is Terran supposed to do vs Dark Swarm? Dont watch tvz that much but with only ranged units it looks shit hard to beat it?
On July 22 2010 19:00 endy wrote: Effort's showing Midas that he can still beat him while playing with him and messing around. It's too get a psychological advantage for the next games of the bo3, just like building a manner CC or using scouts, or queens ! Effort is such a genius
Are you serious or is that a sarcastic joke about dumb Effort fanboys? = S
Of course I was serious, I wrote this even before Effort made his manner hatch which confirms how right I was
Of course I'm not serious :| Effort played horribly, his first swarm would have arrived 10 seconds later he would have been in serious trouble
But... it didn't? In fact his hive timing was perfect. I mean, if Midas hadn't built any marines in the beginning, he would've been in trouble too.
Zerg doesn't really have a one-unit fix to mech, instead, it's a matter of doing what EffOrt did, and taking a ton of bases, shutting down your opponent's bases, and wearing him out. It's not pretty, but it's what you really have to do. EffOrt could also coast somewhat, given how well the early game went for him, even if he probably tried to end the game a little too many times.
That said, I wished EffOrt had taken the top right, which was always under his control, and I wish he had defended 12 a little better. Otherwise, no real complaints.
Effort played fine. He was hesitant to commit to an attack against mech and he had a huge economic lead anyhow. He found a weakness and exploited it just fine at the end. Cautious play is not a mistake.
OP, if you decide you to take up the responsibility of maintaining an OSL LR thread, would you mind doing it without offending people unnecessarily? If I click the "recommended" section, I'd like to see whether the games is recommended or not, not you telling me to go fuck myself.
On July 22 2010 19:16 TwoToneTerran wrote: Effort played fine. He was hesitant to commit to an attack against mech and he had a huge economic lead anyhow. He found a weakness and exploited it just fine at the end. Cautious play is not a mistake.
but not making hydras for 10 minutes *is* a mistake
On July 22 2010 19:16 GeLaar wrote: OP, if you decide you to take up the responsibility of maintaining an OSL LR thread, would you mind doing it without offending people unnecessarily? If I click the "recommended" section, I'd like to see whether the games is recommended or not, not you telling me to go fuck myself.
urgh fine it was a joke
Man the sense of humor around this place has gotten more and more morose.
On July 22 2010 19:18 Zona wrote: first 2 medics out for light - Roro loses a bunch of lings trying to reduce the marine count - wasn't that good a deal, but he did get some rines down
but light now rushing his rines down, roro adding 2 sunkens
why is roro fighting the rines on the narrow bridge?
On July 22 2010 19:18 Zona wrote: first 2 medics out for light - Roro loses a bunch of lings trying to reduce the marine count - wasn't that good a deal, but he did get some rines down
but light now rushing his rines down, roro adding 2 sunkens
why is roro fighting the rines on the narrow bridge?
to buy time
I know it was to buy time, but he could have given a little ground so his lings didn't bunch up in front of the rines
Light scans outer 3, sees the hatch - mutas move into light's main and get a few kills - light has a lot of mnm defending though
another lurkerling attack on light's nat - a lot more lurkers this time - light backing off with his units - roro moving forwards with his lurkers!
light sieges above the hill, but lurkers follow them in - lurkers within striking distance of the rax! - shitload of scv kills by dual lurkers in light's main!
On July 22 2010 19:39 purpose wrote: I like sea and want him to do well in MSL or OSL since he deserv it. But as a protoss fanboy I want Bisu to win this.
So its almost a lose lose situation for me :-)
or win/win? at least one of your favorites will do well.
TL.net/"Norway's here for you" sign in the audience
Sea's SCV still alive in Bisu's base as Bisu gets his 2nd gate
First goon out and finally chasing the scv away - a zealot at the nat gets the last hit to kill ot off Sea adding his 2nd and 3rd factories, getting his first shop
On July 22 2010 19:49 Vivi57 wrote: bisu doing an awesome job pressuring sea's 3rd
Sorta. But he took a quite a bit of damage too.
I like Sea's decision for a third. It's forward, it's a bit more agressive, and he's leveraging it for control of the high ground. Also, better mine it out now when it's not susceptible to carriers.
Sea throws down a lot of scans everywhere goons vs vultures at outer 9 in and insignificant battle here comes bisu's ground/carrier attack! the zealots melt before reading the tank line - didn't work that well but now the goons moving in!
Sea did phenomenally to hold off that pressure. His simcity was excellent, I love how he's holding those two bases, it's so difficult for Bisu to attack with dragoons or carriers.
sea's choice to take 3 was really interesting and its paying off. Now he can moev a short distance and attack 1 with tanks like that *and* he only has a tiny area to defend
vultures rape the remaining probes at 1.5 as the carriers finally move to clear that out but now sea moving out with a goliath mass towards 1.5 and a few tanks
On July 22 2010 19:53 TanGeng wrote: Sea not targeting carriers and Bisu snipes the odd tank.
Targeting carriers is not the way to go, unless it's at low health and you can pursue it. Otherwise, taking out the interceptors makes your opponent bleed minerals. It's like death by a thousand paper cuts.
Sea has played that battle victory into a decent position. He's gonna need to find a way to hold a fifth base though, which might be very difficult. His option, which appears to be substituting pressure on one side of the map for defense at the other is working fine right now though.
Sea floating a CC to 6, rebuilds a large turret field north of 3 - but no goliaths this time - the carriers walk over the turret field and pick off some tanks!
Bisu still micro'ing well with his goons vs mines but still trying to take down the defensive position at 3 with carriers - now the goliaths are chasing the carriers - one picked off
Bisu terribly behind is Bisu even mining gas from 1.5?
Bisu's gas steal pushed Sea towards 1 rax CC which Bisu didn't punish, did a good job crushing Sea's first push but then the carrier switch didn't do enough damage.
On July 22 2010 20:00 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Anyway: is there a chance this map is a bit imbalanced TvP ? I feel like the map is a bit of a pain in the ass for the toss isnt it ??
On July 22 2010 20:00 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Anyway: is there a chance this map is a bit imbalanced TvP ? I feel like the map is a bit of a pain in the ass for the toss isnt it ??
GG from Bisu. Nice game by Sea, not making a wrong move on getting his ground army out of position; Bisu basically threw away a game from his advantageous position, he's no Stork with the carriers. IMO he should have faked the carrier play instead; other options would have been to use his better multitasking and micro to take out Sea's tanks as Sea was sieging his tanks on top/beside mines, very vulnerable to mine daebak; or go for the Templar/Reaver option. Playing to the general PvT favored by the map by mind-gaming Sea to go heavy Gols then going heavy ground army would have been more beneficial to him.
Damn Sea, with the ezmode goliath/tank combo -_-;; so boring to watch that.
Bisu needed storms and better army control... Carrier control was good but come on you didn't capitalize on anything. Lost to SEA?! Come on now. Way below your level Bisu.
On July 22 2010 20:00 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Anyway: is there a chance this map is a bit imbalanced TvP ? I feel like the map is a bit of a pain in the ass for the toss isnt it ??
I wonder why Bisu didnt take 7 o'clock. Sure his carries were stuck on 9 because his top base could be attacked easily by sea, but sea couldnt afford to split his army as well.
Bisu why not just take the carriers around and attack sea's nat/main, while leaving his ground force for his 3rd/4th. Turtle terran was just begging to be attacked in his wall of depos/mines/turrets/tanks/gols ...
Sea's play that game was been really fun to watch. Protoss imba? Protoss imba on Polaris Rhapsody? What are you talking about?!
I loved his expansion pattern, it allowed him to be extremely cost-efficient and hold his third and fourth with one defensive line, while applying pressure on Bisu's fourth. I don't know why more terrans don't do that. When push came to shove in the late game, Sea was able to pressure Bisu, and so his fifth and sixth went up completely unimpeded. Recommend that!
On July 22 2010 20:02 matjlav wrote: I love you Sea~~~~
Nothing I love more than seeing gay carrier bullshit getting stomped.
If Sea doesn't make it into either Ro8 at this point, he really is cursed.
The only reason people go carrier is to stop gay siege tank bullshit. Unfortunately then gay goliath bullshit joins the mix and you have 2 units with fucking interplanetary reach both against ground and air.
Should've kept his ground units on the high ground and harass with carriers while taking expansions. When he lost his whole ground army he couldnt expand anymore because he had to rebuild all his units again and lost map control.
I think the turning point was that botched attack at the Tank/Goliath/mine/supply line.. it seemed like Bisu had way too little Zealots. If he had more Zealots and he flanked w/ some forces on the side he would've crushed Sea with that attack..
I would just like to treat this as Bisu not practicing for this but rather for the Playoffs, and this is a mind game to make Wemade think Bisu is beatable :\
On July 22 2010 20:03 purpose wrote: Seemed like Bisu was to hot to push down on Seas turret line. Sea could just sit there and defend and mass up golis.
Was it seas positioning that was great, or was Bisu just playing really really bad?
Sea's positioning was pretty good. Those supply depots he laid down made it a pain for bisu to attack 3 with goons/zealots.
On July 22 2010 20:02 matjlav wrote: I love you Sea~~~~
Nothing I love more than seeing gay carrier bullshit getting stomped.
If Sea doesn't make it into either Ro8 at this point, he really is cursed.
The only reason people go carrier is to stop gay siege tank bullshit. Unfortunately then gay goliath bullshit joins the mix and you have 2 units with fucking interplanetary reach both against ground and air.
On July 22 2010 20:02 matjlav wrote: I love you Sea~~~~
Nothing I love more than seeing gay carrier bullshit getting stomped.
If Sea doesn't make it into either Ro8 at this point, he really is cursed.
The only reason people go carrier is to stop gay siege tank bullshit. Unfortunately then gay goliath bullshit joins the mix and you have 2 units with fucking interplanetary reach both against ground and air.
Ahahahaha!
But yeah Sea came out with the advantage when Bisu threw his forces against Sea's smart scattering of turret/depots in front of 3.
This game feelt more like Bisu played bad and let Sea win, rather then Sea beein super good and beating gay carriers on a protoss map. If Bisu would have done his job he should not lose a game like this.
On July 22 2010 20:04 ArvickHero wrote: I think the turning point was that botched attack at the Tank/Goliath/mine/supply line.. it seemed like Bisu had way too little Zealots. If he had more Zealots and he flanked w/ some forces on the side he would've crushed Sea with that attack..
I would just like to treat this as Bisu not practicing for this but rather for the Playoffs, and this is a mind game to make Wemade think Bisu is beatable :\
The turning point was Bisu not pressuring any of Sea's expos besides mid right* and basically letting Sea go base for base with him.
On July 22 2010 20:03 purpose wrote: Seemed like Bisu was to hot to push down on Seas turret line. Sea could just sit there and defend and mass up golis.
Was it seas positioning that was great, or was Bisu just playing really really bad?
It was more just the fact that Bisu played exactly how Sea wanted him to, suiciding his army into that huge barricade of tanks, depots, mines, turrets, and goliaths.
It really attests to the carrier imba on this map that Bisu actually came close to breaking through -_-
On July 22 2010 20:03 purpose wrote: Seemed like Bisu was to hot to push down on Seas turret line. Sea could just sit there and defend and mass up golis.
Was it seas positioning that was great, or was Bisu just playing really really bad?
It was more just the fact that Bisu played exactly how Sea wanted him to, suiciding his army into that huge barricade of tanks, depots, mines, turrets, and goliaths.
It really attests to the carrier imba on this map that Bisu actually came close to breaking through -_-
Yea you're right, any map where carriers stand a chance against goliaths is imbalanced. Everyone knows that in most situations goliaths out-gay the carriers.
On July 22 2010 20:04 ArvickHero wrote: I think the turning point was that botched attack at the Tank/Goliath/mine/supply line.. it seemed like Bisu had way too little Zealots. If he had more Zealots and he flanked w/ some forces on the side he would've crushed Sea with that attack..
I would just like to treat this as Bisu not practicing for this but rather for the Playoffs, and this is a mind game to make Wemade think Bisu is beatable :\
The turning point was Bisu not pressuring any of Sea's expos besides mid left and basically letting Sea go base for base with him.
I think Bisu's build was designed in mind to kill Sea in one blow, or completely cripple him like he did vs Mind. If you notice, Bisu did the same type of Carrier/Dragoon/Zealot attack vs Mind and it worked pretty damn well. If it were not for the supply depots, Sea would've been in some seriously deep trouble. Bisu simply didn't really know what to do after his attacked failed, presumably because I don't think he really uses carriers the same way other progamers do at all.. which is bad.
Archons lol! No Arbiters! No Storm! To few ground units! Banging his head against the wall in the same place the entire game...Weird! Anyway I'm not a Bisu fan so GG Sea!
On July 22 2010 20:03 purpose wrote: Seemed like Bisu was to hot to push down on Seas turret line. Sea could just sit there and defend and mass up golis.
Was it seas positioning that was great, or was Bisu just playing really really bad?
It was more just the fact that Bisu played exactly how Sea wanted him to, suiciding his army into that huge barricade of tanks, depots, mines, turrets, and goliaths.
It really attests to the carrier imba on this map that Bisu actually came close to breaking through -_-
Yea you're right, any map where carriers stand a chance against goliaths is imbalanced. Everyone knows that in most situations goliaths out-gay the carriers.
Your third "goliaths are imba" post in this thread....stop talking rubbish
I wonder what Bisu's goal in taking the double gas was if he didn't make any templar. If you're going pure Carrier/Zealot/Goon why not take the expansions on the left with more minerals?
Bisu could have won that had he forced Sea to be out of position with his Carriers. He did have enough Dragoons and Zealots to bust through; sniping the outer Turrents then dropping speed Zeals on Sea's mined up tank line would have busted that defense IMO. That was a multi-tasking loss for him/not to mention the lack of a follow-up had that failed.
On July 22 2010 20:08 setzer wrote: sea won without doing anything
Taking out the double gas was pretty huge, missed that?
<Insert another Idraism>
Yeah I saw that. Sea played really well after losing 4 tanks to that timing attack. Questionable decision by Bisu to even expand there as well as going carriers ...
On July 22 2010 20:06 Doraemon wrote: why didnt you just play standard,,,,
Every time someone's favorite player loses, someone says "why didn't he just play standard?"
Look: 1) Carriers are standard on PR, and often in TvP as well. 2) You can't just "play standard" and win. What does that even mean? If a player "played standard" all the time, then they wouldn't win a single game, because they'd get sniped each and every game. The best players, like Flash, fantasy, Jaedong, EffOrt, and yes, Bisu, are the best players in no small part because they are very good at knowing how to play against their opponents and the map, and not just "standard". B-teamers know how to play standard. A-teamers know how to win.
There's only one instance where this criticism is valid, and it's when a player takes an unnecessary risk on a map they should win. If a T goes BBS on a map that's hugely T>P favored, and loses with it, then yeah, question it. But when a Bisu goes carriers on a fantastic carrier map, and loses the lead through his own fault and his opponent's smart play, then it has nothing to do with being "standard" or not, it has something to do with being outplayed.
On July 22 2010 20:03 purpose wrote: Seemed like Bisu was to hot to push down on Seas turret line. Sea could just sit there and defend and mass up golis.
Was it seas positioning that was great, or was Bisu just playing really really bad?
It was more just the fact that Bisu played exactly how Sea wanted him to, suiciding his army into that huge barricade of tanks, depots, mines, turrets, and goliaths.
It really attests to the carrier imba on this map that Bisu actually came close to breaking through -_-
Yea you're right, any map where carriers stand a chance against goliaths is imbalanced. Everyone knows that in most situations goliaths out-gay the carriers.
Your third "goliaths are imba" post in this thread....stop talking rubbish
Looking forward to fantasy hyuking himself :D
Your first self-righteous post in this thread...stop pretending to be a moderator
Looking forward to a day when users with Terran icons will realize that I am just answering their carrier complains :D
Fantasy sending 3 marines forwards - risky - but there's no OL to pick off
4 lings out chasing the scouting scv - 2 hits so far 2 more from the nat - the SCV sees the lair go up on the way out - haha Fantasy turns it around and gets back into the main! finally the scv is killed
pretty early ebay! Academy started, bunker being added at Fantasy's nat
On July 22 2010 20:06 Doraemon wrote: why didnt you just play standard,,,,
Every time someone's favorite player loses, someone says "why didn't he just play standard?"
Look: 1) Carriers are standard on PR, and often in TvP as well. 2) You can't just "play standard" and win. What does that even mean? If a player "played standard" all the time, then they wouldn't win a single game, because they'd get sniped each and every game. The best players, like Flash, fantasy, Jaedong, EffOrt, and yes, Bisu, are the best players in no small part because they are very good at knowing how to play against their opponents and the map, and not just "standard". B-teamers know how to play standard. A-teamers know how to win.
There's only one instance where this criticism is valid, and it's when a player takes an unnecessary risk on a map they should win. If a T goes BBS on a map that's hugely T>P favored, and loses with it, then yeah, question it. But when a Bisu goes carriers on a fantastic carrier map, and loses the lead through his own fault and his opponent's smart play, then it has nothing to do with being "standard" or not, it has something to do with being outplayed.
Well, Bisu in general is pretty bad with Carriers compared to his Arbiter play, and has the capability to do amazing things with an Arbiter/ground army composition on maps that were considered T-imba unless you went Carriers (Katrina anyone?). Unless he can really come to understand how to use Carriers, I think he should stay far away from them..
hyuk doing some good micro picking off scvs from fantasy's nat despite the 4 turrets there fantasy even starts to pull his scvs but hyuk pulls his mutas away
On July 22 2010 20:20 SkelA wrote: fail turret placment
He's gotten off a TON of damage on those mutalisks though, and on FS it's pretty hard to defend that natural from muta harass. I'm not sure that's actually too bad for Fantasy.
hive starting, a bunch of lurker eggs formed hyuk now picking at the depot halfwall at fantasy's nat with his mutas 3 lurkers moving out with a small amount of lings
Oh, nicely done from Fantasy to break that pressure from Hyuk. I love how he stonewalled him with a better marine spread, and then he ran in the moment he sieged the lurkers, because he knew Hyuk would be unburrowing them. I think that's the timing you get from being teammates.
this is such a shitty tvz, hyuk dies because he has 2 defilers sitting at his nat forever while his 4th gets rolled within easy reach of a nydus. Fantasy's bio is so poor but will just grind it out because hyuk's late game is so horrible
Fantasy's TvZ is so much better, it's not even funny. His bio control gets a bad rap, it's not bad, but it's not stellar. More than good enough here though.
Wow hyuk is throwing this game away with his horrible hive play. He knew Fantasy was waiting at his 5 oclock's natural, had defilers at his own natural, but refused to transfer them over with the nydus he had. He had all day to set up defense and take this game. What the hell.
Hyuk's opening was really really good, its just that his late game straight up sucks haha. I guess he lacks the multi-task to play hive tech zerg well.
On July 22 2010 20:31 Katsuge wrote: 4/4 LB fyeah~
Bets are for the series, but yeah, ditto.
And fantasy's TvZ is far from bad. Hell, it's not even mediocre. It's actually quite good. Is it as good as Flash's? No. Is it as good as Light's? No. But then again, is Flash's TvZ better than Light's? That's a debate.
On July 22 2010 20:34 JohnColtrane wrote: he was doing great until he was in need of swarms. either his swarms were in the wrong place or he didnt burrow his units under them
This is true, he wasn't swarming properly; and that's a big weakness in late game Zerg.
On July 22 2010 20:31 MaGic~PhiL wrote: that looked like A+ vs random C guy
pretty ugly
Fantasy's turret placement and sloppy marine control didn't look A+ to me, he lost like 15 scv's to 3 hatch muta. Lucky it was hyuk
Thats exactly what I mean. Considering the fact that fantasy lost like 15 scvs early in the game..
Still takes the whole map and rapes hardcore shows a significant skill difference
His turret placement didn't save scvs, (he lost 6-8 at the most) but it's a hard thing to do on FS anyway. Instead, his turrets did a ton of damage to Hyuk's mutalisks, which really hurt Hyuk when he had the opportunity to whittle down Fantasy's marine numbers.
You people are deluded if you think Fantasy's play was bad that game; his army control was excellent during the middle/late game, and his biomech strategy was very solid. He had complete map control with Hyuk locked inside his bases. Only real mistake was the lack of marine support during the mutalisk attack on the natural.
And no, TvZ, in general, has not been a "bad" matchup for him during these last few weeks.
On July 22 2010 20:40 Prototype wrote: You people are deluded if you think Fantasy's play was bad that game; his army control was excellent during the middle/late game, and his biomech strategy was very solid. He had complete map control with Hyuk locked inside his bases. Only real mistake was the lack of marine support during the mutalisk attack on the natural.
And no, TvZ, in general, has not been a "bad" matchup for him during these last few weeks.
I agree. Fantasy's bio control was unusually good and his overall game plan was much better than Hyuk's.
On July 22 2010 20:40 Prototype wrote: You people are deluded if you think Fantasy's play was bad that game; his army control was excellent during the middle/late game, and his biomech strategy was very solid. He had complete map control with Hyuk locked inside his bases. Only real mistake was the lack of marine support during the mutalisk attack on the natural.
And no, TvZ, in general, has not been a "bad" matchup for him during these last few weeks.
I agree. Fantasy's bio control was unusually good and his overall game plan was much better than Hyuk's.
Or maybe he just bought Hyuk some chicken last night.
I wonder how much Bisu, Fantasy, Hyuk, and Roro are just focused on proleague playoffs? I think their mindset could've been to just freestyle this set and then focus a bit more on the last two if after this weekends matches.
You know the interesting thing about Sea's forward expansion was that not only was it easy to defend along with an easy fourth, and not only was it advanced in such a way as to put pressure on Bisu's fourth, but it also came at the perfect time for Sea.
Instead of building more gateways, and maintaining the pressure on Sea after he beat down his counter-push, Bisu opted to expand and tech to carriers. This would've been fairly unremarkable if Sea had taken the expo at 6, but Bisu's lack of an army allowed Sea to take a vastly more favorable expansion.
Seems to me that protoss need to be much more careful about that, on a two player map, even one as favorable as PR, the carrier timing needs to be better supported than that.
Also, all the complaining about Bisu's carrier control is somewhat justified, but he really didn't have a choice but to attack Sea's line, at that point in the game. What we missed at that point was that if Bisu tried to pressure somewhere else, Sea could push easily to Bisu's fourth, as we saw. Bisu didn't really err in holding Sea at that position, rather Sea forced him into it. His attack was a bit opportunistic, though. Better play from Bisu would probably have been to just keep expanding at 9, and overwhelm Sea with a critical mass of carriers. Sea was playing too defensively to push out, and could only do that if Bisu moved his army away, which is what he did shortly after his failed attack.
I don't see why Bisu went carriers on Polaris Rhapsody, seems like such a bad choice to me :\. I actually think going carriers on 90% of maps is a bad choice, since the costs and the amount of tech needed to get them seems to be so easily countered by Terran goliaths.
On July 23 2010 00:36 CraftyStars wrote: Whatever happened to Bisu's comeback that people were talking about?
He lost one game to a good player... He was obviously dedicating most of his practice time to getting a 4-0 record in proleague playoffs and getting his time to the next round, something Sea could not do. Do you expect him to have a 100 percent win rate or something? He's not even out yet, he's come back from this situation before in previous MSLs. Seriously think before you make stupid posts like this because it is very illogical and annoying.
On July 23 2010 01:59 FetusFondler wrote: I don't see why Bisu went carriers on Polaris Rhapsody, seems like such a bad choice to me :\. I actually think going carriers on 90% of maps is a bad choice, since the costs and the amount of tech needed to get them seems to be so easily countered by Terran goliaths.
Can someone explain?
Carriers are standard on Polaris because you can abuse the terrain and harass terran expos pretty easily. Goliaths cannot get around everywhere easily and can be dodged pretty easy if you have good map control.
Also with the double gas you can add a lot of templars and just storm ramps where goliaths are inc and with carriers supporting just lay waste to any gols.
Bisu just attacked head on with his carriers and didn't really split T's forces, harass, or even manage to defend his bases.
On July 23 2010 03:03 Nick_54 wrote: He was obviously dedicating most of his practice time to getting a 4-0 record in proleague playoffs and getting his time to the next round, something Sea could not do.
I hate posts like this that suggest that there is no luck factor. I'm sure Sea spent just as much time as Bisu practicing for Proleague. Like, seriously, are you saying that Sea blew off PL? I agree with the rest of your post, though.
On July 23 2010 01:59 FetusFondler wrote: I don't see why Bisu went carriers on Polaris Rhapsody, seems like such a bad choice to me :\. I actually think going carriers on 90% of maps is a bad choice, since the costs and the amount of tech needed to get them seems to be so easily countered by Terran goliaths.
Can someone explain?
Goliaths are really immobile. The only reason Sea's defense worked so well was that he used that 3 fact attack to divert Bisu's attention and weaken his army while he secured the 3 o'clock, which gave him a really compact area of map control to move his goliaths around.
People should chill out a bit. Don't get crazy because of one guy's stupid post.
I'm sad that Bisu lost but it is not over yet. He will put up a good fight in the next game (or hopefully two next games). Too bad Midas lost. The guy is a true veteran in here and I always wish him all the best. And I am so happy that moving to Wemade worked out for him pretty well. I hope he will get some wins against SKT to make it even sweeter for him.
On July 23 2010 01:59 FetusFondler wrote: I don't see why Bisu went carriers on Polaris Rhapsody, seems like such a bad choice to me :\. I actually think going carriers on 90% of maps is a bad choice, since the costs and the amount of tech needed to get them seems to be so easily countered by Terran goliaths.
Can someone explain?
Polaris Rhapsody's terrain is one of the best for carriers in a looooong time. Bisu didn't abuse it and instead attacked head on into sea's defenses.
I think Bisu was way too careless with his dragoons, which is why he failed his initial push on Sea's frontline. He should've let them sit back and let his carriers do most of the work and using dragoons to only help defend his carriers vs. goliaths, instead of letting them attack supply depots and shit while getting melted by tank fire. If he had successfully pushed Sea back, it'd be Bisu's game to lose from that point on.
On July 22 2010 20:06 Doraemon wrote: why didnt you just play standard,,,,
Every time someone's favorite player loses, someone says "why didn't he just play standard?"
Look: 1) Carriers are standard on PR, and often in TvP as well. 2) You can't just "play standard" and win. What does that even mean? If a player "played standard" all the time, then they wouldn't win a single game, because they'd get sniped each and every game. The best players, like Flash, fantasy, Jaedong, EffOrt, and yes, Bisu, are the best players in no small part because they are very good at knowing how to play against their opponents and the map, and not just "standard". B-teamers know how to play standard. A-teamers know how to win.
There's only one instance where this criticism is valid, and it's when a player takes an unnecessary risk on a map they should win. If a T goes BBS on a map that's hugely T>P favored, and loses with it, then yeah, question it. But when a Bisu goes carriers on a fantastic carrier map, and loses the lead through his own fault and his opponent's smart play, then it has nothing to do with being "standard" or not, it has something to do with being outplayed.
Well, Bisu in general is pretty bad with Carriers compared to his Arbiter play, and has the capability to do amazing things with an Arbiter/ground army composition on maps that were considered T-imba unless you went Carriers (Katrina anyone?). Unless he can really come to understand how to use Carriers, I think he should stay far away from them..
a progamer must have confidence in his ability to win with the style that dominates the current map pool. Bisu went carriers because Bisu was confident his carriers could finish the job. it seems like you missed the point of tree.hugger's post a little bit, in that a progamer can't simply strictly play to what you perceive as his strengths every game. he'll be figured out and demolished by anyone and everyone.
On July 23 2010 03:03 Nick_54 wrote: He was obviously dedicating most of his practice time to getting a 4-0 record in proleague playoffs and getting his time to the next round, something Sea could not do.
I hate posts like this that suggest that there is no luck factor. I'm sure Sea spent just as much time as Bisu practicing for Proleague. Like, seriously, are you saying that Sea blew off PL? I agree with the rest of your post, though.
Sea sorta did blow off PL since, you know, he's not in it anymore
On July 23 2010 03:03 Nick_54 wrote: He was obviously dedicating most of his practice time to getting a 4-0 record in proleague playoffs and getting his time to the next round, something Sea could not do.
I hate posts like this that suggest that there is no luck factor. I'm sure Sea spent just as much time as Bisu practicing for Proleague. Like, seriously, are you saying that Sea blew off PL? I agree with the rest of your post, though.
Sea sorta did blow off PL since, you know, he's not in it anymore
Yea blew it off for a whole extra day or 2..they only just got eliminated...Bisu and Sea more than likely had equal practice time...and considering skt1 is known for giving its players individual league practice time yea...
Edit: Heres Sea's quote from the post interview
"Your feelings on winning your first game of the Ro16? ▲ Just like other times, upon actually reaching the day of the match, I became nervous. Thankfully, once I entered the player’s booth I calmed down. Because both of us were busy with schedules, I’m sure neither of us could practice as much as we wanted but I think I was able to win because I had a strategy I kept practicing until now."
As I said Bisu and Jaedong fans are by far the most delusional. Its almost cult like sometimes. Sea played well and won. I mean Bisu loses to like the 2nd best terran and all the fans are making up ridiculous excuses for why he lost. "Why didnt he play standard!!!" "He must not have been practicing" "The map must be imbalanced for terran (LOL)".
Sidenote: Didnt see make it to ro8 that year that forgg drank jesus juice, wrecked everyone and won the msl?
To everyone complaining about Bisu attacking sea at the very end: Sea was on 4 base / transferring workers to his 5th and bisu was on 4 with no 5th in sight. It was a desperation attack, he would have been equally fucked if he did nothing.
On July 23 2010 03:03 Nick_54 wrote: He was obviously dedicating most of his practice time to getting a 4-0 record in proleague playoffs and getting his time to the next round, something Sea could not do.
I hate posts like this that suggest that there is no luck factor. I'm sure Sea spent just as much time as Bisu practicing for Proleague. Like, seriously, are you saying that Sea blew off PL? I agree with the rest of your post, though.
Sea sorta did blow off PL since, you know, he's not in it anymore
Yea blew it off for a whole extra day or 2..they only just got eliminated...Bisu and Sea more than likely had equal practice time...and considering skt1 is known for giving its players individual league practice time yea...
As I said Bisu and Jaedong fans are by far the most delusional. Its almost cult like sometimes. Sea played well and won. I mean Bisu loses to like the 2nd best terran and all the fans are making up ridiculous excuses for why he lost. "Why didnt he play standard!!!" "He must not have been practicing" "The map must be imbalanced for terran (LOL)".
An extra day or two is still what, like 20+ hours of practicing his one super-prepared build? I'm not even 100% disagreeing but to think they actually had equal preparation is dumb too.
Also I don't know if that fanboy comment was directed at me or whatever but overarching generalizations about everyone else in the thread are pretty delusional and cult like sometimes too~
Yeah, I totally didn't realize that it has actually been a full 2 days since MBC got knocked out of PL. I guess that could have an effect, but I still wouldn't want to take anything away from Sea's victory.
On July 23 2010 05:35 Grobyc wrote: SEA MAKES IT TO RO8 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :D
As some might say.... You done goofed. I hope bisu pulls through tho. He really needs this :D
Sea needs this, too. Sure, Bisu hasn't been looking so hot lately, but he has 3 MSL golds. Sea has never even made it to the Ro8 of an individual league as far as I know, and he really deserves to.
It makes me sad that Sea and Bisu had to get matched up; both of them could really use a confidence booster. But it would just kill me if Sea got knocked out of both leagues at the Ro16 again.
On July 23 2010 10:25 Djabanete wrote: Hey look, everyone who's out of the playoffs beat everyone who's in the playoffs. Never would have seen that coming (although I was pulling for Bisu)
Yes, but... limited sample size (3), and the favorite won two of those games. When you look at it that way, it's not so cut and dry.
I'd agree that most of the fail from Bisu was from committing his ground army way too early that game; and expanding towards Sea's lines to a double gas when he should have been getting mins for all those interceptors instead of parallel to it, which would have given him more resources and more opportunities to flank Sea. With that said, he has a difficult road to go through if he wants to advance. |f Sea advances, I want to see him do well, he deserves it. :p
On July 23 2010 03:03 Nick_54 wrote: He was obviously dedicating most of his practice time to getting a 4-0 record in proleague playoffs and getting his time to the next round, something Sea could not do.
I hate posts like this that suggest that there is no luck factor. I'm sure Sea spent just as much time as Bisu practicing for Proleague. Like, seriously, are you saying that Sea blew off PL? I agree with the rest of your post, though.
Sea sorta did blow off PL since, you know, he's not in it anymore
Yea blew it off for a whole extra day or 2..they only just got eliminated...Bisu and Sea more than likely had equal practice time...and considering skt1 is known for giving its players individual league practice time yea...
As I said Bisu and Jaedong fans are by far the most delusional. Its almost cult like sometimes. Sea played well and won. I mean Bisu loses to like the 2nd best terran and all the fans are making up ridiculous excuses for why he lost. "Why didnt he play standard!!!" "He must not have been practicing" "The map must be imbalanced for terran (LOL)".
An extra day or two is still what, like 20+ hours of practicing his one super-prepared build? I'm not even 100% disagreeing but to think they actually had equal preparation is dumb too.
Also I don't know if that fanboy comment was directed at me or whatever but overarching generalizations about everyone else in the thread are pretty delusional and cult like sometimes too~
And I don't even like Bisu
I think their preparation was equivalent..and the fanboy comment wasn't directed at you specifically..but hey just calling it like I see it.
If players are of equal skill then the player who lost on the first day has a 25% chance to come back and win the series, so 2/8 would be a reasonable average.
But the more skilled player usually wins game 1, so that's why the average is more like 1/8.
On July 23 2010 03:03 Nick_54 wrote: He was obviously dedicating most of his practice time to getting a 4-0 record in proleague playoffs and getting his time to the next round, something Sea could not do.
I hate posts like this that suggest that there is no luck factor. I'm sure Sea spent just as much time as Bisu practicing for Proleague. Like, seriously, are you saying that Sea blew off PL? I agree with the rest of your post, though.
Sea sorta did blow off PL since, you know, he's not in it anymore
Yea blew it off for a whole extra day or 2..they only just got eliminated...Bisu and Sea more than likely had equal practice time...and considering skt1 is known for giving its players individual league practice time yea...
As I said Bisu and Jaedong fans are by far the most delusional. Its almost cult like sometimes. Sea played well and won. I mean Bisu loses to like the 2nd best terran and all the fans are making up ridiculous excuses for why he lost. "Why didnt he play standard!!!" "He must not have been practicing" "The map must be imbalanced for terran (LOL)".
An extra day or two is still what, like 20+ hours of practicing his one super-prepared build? I'm not even 100% disagreeing but to think they actually had equal preparation is dumb too.
Also I don't know if that fanboy comment was directed at me or whatever but overarching generalizations about everyone else in the thread are pretty delusional and cult like sometimes too~
And I don't even like Bisu
I think their preparation was equivalent..and the fanboy comment wasn't directed at you specifically..but hey just calling it like I see it.
Its interesting because the way I see it is that Flash fanboys, close followed by Jaedong and Bisu are the worst on tl.net.
I mean read a topic after Flash lose a game and you will see 50pages of excuses and blames on the opponent for being gay or lame etc.
In the end, all great and popular players will have a huge fanbase, and with a huge fanbase follows alot of frustration when that player lose. Its always been like that and it always will.
On July 23 2010 03:03 Nick_54 wrote: He was obviously dedicating most of his practice time to getting a 4-0 record in proleague playoffs and getting his time to the next round, something Sea could not do.
I hate posts like this that suggest that there is no luck factor. I'm sure Sea spent just as much time as Bisu practicing for Proleague. Like, seriously, are you saying that Sea blew off PL? I agree with the rest of your post, though.
Sea sorta did blow off PL since, you know, he's not in it anymore
Yea blew it off for a whole extra day or 2..they only just got eliminated...Bisu and Sea more than likely had equal practice time...and considering skt1 is known for giving its players individual league practice time yea...
As I said Bisu and Jaedong fans are by far the most delusional. Its almost cult like sometimes. Sea played well and won. I mean Bisu loses to like the 2nd best terran and all the fans are making up ridiculous excuses for why he lost. "Why didnt he play standard!!!" "He must not have been practicing" "The map must be imbalanced for terran (LOL)".
An extra day or two is still what, like 20+ hours of practicing his one super-prepared build? I'm not even 100% disagreeing but to think they actually had equal preparation is dumb too.
Also I don't know if that fanboy comment was directed at me or whatever but overarching generalizations about everyone else in the thread are pretty delusional and cult like sometimes too~
And I don't even like Bisu
I think their preparation was equivalent..and the fanboy comment wasn't directed at you specifically..but hey just calling it like I see it.
Its interesting because the way I see it is that Flash fanboys, close followed by Jaedong and Bisu are the worst on tl.net.
It's almost like the most dominant players have the most fans, and the players with the most fans are the most likely to have annoying fans!
On July 23 2010 03:03 Nick_54 wrote: He was obviously dedicating most of his practice time to getting a 4-0 record in proleague playoffs and getting his time to the next round, something Sea could not do.
I hate posts like this that suggest that there is no luck factor. I'm sure Sea spent just as much time as Bisu practicing for Proleague. Like, seriously, are you saying that Sea blew off PL? I agree with the rest of your post, though.
Sea sorta did blow off PL since, you know, he's not in it anymore
Yea blew it off for a whole extra day or 2..they only just got eliminated...Bisu and Sea more than likely had equal practice time...and considering skt1 is known for giving its players individual league practice time yea...
As I said Bisu and Jaedong fans are by far the most delusional. Its almost cult like sometimes. Sea played well and won. I mean Bisu loses to like the 2nd best terran and all the fans are making up ridiculous excuses for why he lost. "Why didnt he play standard!!!" "He must not have been practicing" "The map must be imbalanced for terran (LOL)".
An extra day or two is still what, like 20+ hours of practicing his one super-prepared build? I'm not even 100% disagreeing but to think they actually had equal preparation is dumb too.
Also I don't know if that fanboy comment was directed at me or whatever but overarching generalizations about everyone else in the thread are pretty delusional and cult like sometimes too~
And I don't even like Bisu
I think their preparation was equivalent..and the fanboy comment wasn't directed at you specifically..but hey just calling it like I see it.
Its interesting because the way I see it is that Flash fanboys, close followed by Jaedong and Bisu are the worst on tl.net.
It's almost like the most dominant players have the most fans, and the players with the most fans are the most likely to have annoying fans!
Just because you are a ____ fanboy, it does make you annoying. Its just that some annoying people happen to be a ____ fanboy.
On July 23 2010 14:15 jalstar wrote: If players are of equal skill then the player who lost on the first day has a 25% chance to come back and win the series, so 2/8 would be a reasonable average.
But the more skilled player usually wins game 1, so that's why the average is more like 1/8.
You realize you just opened the "Are Sea and Bisu equally skilled?" can of worms, right?
On July 23 2010 16:57 cgrinker wrote: Triumphant Bisu Return or Potential Sea in RO8? Shit is exciting!
I want Bisu to come back, but at the same time, Sea in the Ro8 has been a long time coming.
I like bisu, but I have to say he played stupidly.
1. Suiciding his army into sea's defense. 2. Expanding towards sea's army. 3. And for the love of god, get HTs. And keep them as HTs. And use storm. Even tyson does this better than you -___-
On July 23 2010 14:15 jalstar wrote: If players are of equal skill then the player who lost on the first day has a 25% chance to come back and win the series, so 2/8 would be a reasonable average.
But the more skilled player usually wins game 1, so that's why the average is more like 1/8.
You realize you just opened the "Are Sea and Bisu equally skilled?" can of worms, right?
On July 23 2010 16:57 cgrinker wrote: Triumphant Bisu Return or Potential Sea in RO8? Shit is exciting!
I want Bisu to come back, but at the same time, Sea in the Ro8 has been a long time coming.
They are equally skilled..Sea even mentioned when he and Bisu played it was 5-5..in fact Bisus PvT was always seen as his weak MU, but sea says he plays PvT a lot better in practice. But I doubt many would disagree with them being equally skilled.
Sea is probably practicing his ass off with Stork anyway...Stork and Sea are friends and Stork will need to practice for his potential OSL match with fantasy. Meanwhile Bisu has Proleague and MSL coming up. The important part is that Sea being up 1 game over Bisu..means he can just practice hard for the next map, while Bisu has to practice hard for both maps, while also preparing for playoffs.
HYUKKKKKKKKKKK FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU you are not coming back from that one... and Sea advancing to round of 8? glad for him he had it coming for a long time but im sad for bisu..... come on bisu!!! (I feel that only jaedong can 0-1 into wins)..
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