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Doraemon
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anch
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make a way for Flash, you scrub. | ||
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Grobyc
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Vasoline73
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Ota Solgryn
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okum
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GeLaar
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Djin)ftw(
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On July 01 2010 18:41 Grobyc wrote: now, can s2 pull a sick ZvT and beat flash too? hopefully not wtf? flash jaedong final again pls | ||
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p4NDemik
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On July 01 2010 18:41 Grobyc wrote: now, can s2 pull a sick ZvT and beat flash too? Too bad for him he can't muta-micro his way to victory like that on Odd-Eye. | ||
ArvickHero
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On July 01 2010 18:38 Yggdrasil Leaf wrote: Yes, it would be in that game, that would be the right counter. Stop trying to take too many general conclusions about this game, metagame shift my ass. Are you saying ZvTs don't get into the situation where Zerg has a decent edge going into late game? I'm saying that in the past, when Zerg goes into lategame with an edge, Terran has been able to crawl back into a game by playing the way Flash attempted to, and Zerg has let Terran do this. It doesn't matter how it happened - in this particular game it was Effort tricking Flash with his build. The point is that it happens all the time for a variety of reasons. Zerg goes into lategame with an edge against Terran all the time. This is the first time I've really seen a Zerg respond to the Terran double expand (3rd/4th) THIS effectively, and I think other Zergs would be fools not to consider this multi-pronged simultaneous attack as an option for a similar situation. | ||
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SmiLeSE
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khellian
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letian
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smileyyy
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I_Love_Bacon
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InRaged
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On July 01 2010 18:39 scrubtastic wrote: agreeing with darktreb here - it's not so much the opening (although that was pretty sick as well, played flash like a fiddle) as it was the crushing of flash when he overextended, instead of trying to outexpand flash. Flash couldn't actually defend those 3rd/4th bases so easily (yet) but I haven't seen other zergs take much advantage of that. Effort? Did. Very well controlled defilers + lings did significant damage to Flash's bases and the drop in the main was the nail in the coffin What outexpanding are you talking about? Zergs outexpand only when they play against mech turtle. 4 gases is all you need to fight bio terran and getting them for a good 5 minutes before terran gets his 3rd (and when on top of that terran is very low on vessels count) is an insta GG. | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On July 01 2010 18:42 okum wrote: Apparently a "metagame shift" is only needed to beat Flash... that was just the usual ZvT. Did I ever say it was needed? When else has a Zerg played like this going into late game against Terran? Look at Calm vs Flash from the OSL semi-finals again, how big an edge Calm has going into lategame, and how Flash is able to claw his way back into it. Compare that to this game (where Flash was less behind than he was against Calm in my opinion). Flash hasn't been playing up to his standard lately and this game was no exception. It was not like he played perfectly but it wasn't like he played poorly either. I'm definitely not trying to claim that you need something as significant as a metagame shift to beat Flash, especially the way he's playing right now.... | ||
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