[OSL] Korean Air OSL Grand Final - Page 286

On May 22 2010 22:55 Black Gun wrote:



as i stated in my last post, effort as a player deserves a starleague title. its just that his play in this particular osl does NOT deserve a title.

On May 22 2010 22:53 matjlav wrote:


I don't follow sports, so I don't understand exactly the nuances of what you're saying, but... Flash is blatantly more skilled than EffOrt. He showed that in games 1 and 2. Now, as I said before, it's certainly Flash's fault that he lost games 3, 4, and 5; however, those were not straight up games. Game 2 especially showed that when it comes to straight up macro play, Flash is a complete monster.

Effort showed that Flash's early game is weak, but that is more of a mental issue that Flash can fix quickly. The fact remains that Flash has been utterly dominating for a year, and 3 very short games are not anywhere near enough to prove that Effort is the superior player.

Of course, I hate arguing over who is a "better" player because the idea of "superiority" in such a variable game is such a vague human construct, but in this case I think it's still pretty blatant.

On May 22 2010 22:59 pR0gR4m3R wrote:
Question is: What is sAviOr thinking at home, right now, after watching this??'

He must be crying a pool of tears

On December 04 2008 06:51 Hot_Bid wrote:

let me explain something about effort, and why there's so much good feeling about him. effort is irrevocably tied to savior. he is his true apprentice, his home grown little brother. idra says that savior loves effort, i'm sure even more than the coaches do. he's more like a young, modern savior than kwanro or jy or orion ever was. he's his heir. when cj fans and savior fans watch effort, we see a young ma jae yoon, someone with infinite possibilities and whose play reminds us so much of the old maestro its scary. most of all, when we watch effort play, we remember. we remember a dominant ma jae yoon who had been so abruptly taken from us. we remember the savior who we wish so badly to return. before bisu, before FBH, before his current painful struggles. effort represents both hope for the future and the legacy of the past, merged into one talented, hard working, fierce looking kid.

i am basing this solely off of what i see during CJ proleague matches, but the kid cares. he's a team player, he's humble, and he's come up through one of the most difficult team practice systems out there. ever since the team-ceremonies that xellos, much, and iris did to stick it to FBH when savior was slumping, i've loved CJ more and more. effort is a continuation of that and of all the things i've mentioned above with relation to our memories of savior. even his name is representative of this. his choice of ID is not one that represents a sun god or jesus or even something that's cool like bisu or shark. it's an ID that embodies the CJ spirit more than anything. it's all you need to be a good teammate, to win. if CJ could be embodied in one noun, it'd be effort.

to us CJ fans, he means much more than just the next big zerg player.

On May 22 2010 22:19 Hot_Bid wrote:
Anyone complaining that Effort got "lucky" in winning against a 14cc is ridiculous. There were no cheeses this series, except the BBS by Flash in Game 4 and he even canceled that.

Good scouting is not "Luck"
Hidden ling flank is not "Luck"
Beating 14cc is not "Luck"

Flash has weaknesses, Effort exploited them. If you want to watch two long games where Flash loses, check out CJ vs KT in Proleague.