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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
May 14 2010 10:25 GMT
#441
On May 14 2010 19:20 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 19:19 Trezeguet23 wrote:
On May 14 2010 19:19 De4ngus wrote:
Kal is powering reallly hard off 2 base. He doesn't seem to want to expand soon.

He has no army compared to Effort so that is probably a good choice.

kal is ahead in food...?


You know protoss is supposed to be 20 + ahead of z in food...?
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
May 14 2010 10:25 GMT
#442
On May 14 2010 19:25 roronoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 19:23 Samurai- wrote:
effort raping kal.. meaning flash won osl already..


What? kal would probably put up even less of a fight against flash.


You didnt watch their recent games vs each other then, Kal pushed Flash to his limits in both those games, more so than any dragon did these past 2 seasons.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1209 Posts
May 14 2010 10:26 GMT
#443
Kal is so confused ... i wish so much he could come back, but i don't think there's anyone able to come back from 0-2 in PvZ ... not even Kal :-(

At least it won't be him crushed in the final by the T war machine.
NguN
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1322 Posts
May 14 2010 10:26 GMT
#444
On May 14 2010 19:25 roronoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 19:23 Samurai- wrote:
effort raping kal.. meaning flash won osl already..


What? kal would probably put up even less of a fight against flash.


Have you seen Effort play ZvT? It's terrible this year. On the other hand, Kal is playing some pretty good SC in general. At least, before these games.
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
May 14 2010 10:26 GMT
#445
come on Kal. Im not even rooting for you but please make a series out of this.
Woo Jung Ho
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
May 14 2010 10:26 GMT
#446
On May 14 2010 19:23 Lann555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 19:22 On_Slaught wrote:
Has ZvP always looked this one-sided? Can't remember the last time protoss actually played well in this MU.


I think the only time this matchup wasn't a rape was after the Bisu build became popular. It's pretty much back to fucked up though

it seems 5hatch hydra > FE esp when muta are out snipping ht. That game was a good example of why there was that huge thread about zvp being imbalanced, it seems like there was nothing Kal could do to overcome the huge hydra push that basically never ends.
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
May 14 2010 10:26 GMT
#447
lol cj fans in here being relentless
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
May 14 2010 10:26 GMT
#448
On May 14 2010 19:25 roronoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 19:23 Samurai- wrote:
effort raping kal.. meaning flash won osl already..


What? kal would probably put up even less of a fight against flash.

Rofl.. u havent watch much starcraft recently now have u.
One ring, to rule them all!
snowdrift
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 10:27:21
May 14 2010 10:27 GMT
#449
On May 14 2010 19:26 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 19:23 Lann555 wrote:
On May 14 2010 19:22 On_Slaught wrote:
Has ZvP always looked this one-sided? Can't remember the last time protoss actually played well in this MU.


I think the only time this matchup wasn't a rape was after the Bisu build became popular. It's pretty much back to fucked up though

it seems 5hatch hydra > FE esp when muta are out snipping ht. That game was a good example of why there was that huge thread about zvp being imbalanced, it seems like there was nothing Kal could do to overcome the huge hydra push that basically never ends.


That's why all Protoss should just go sair/reaver. It's more entertaining to watch, too.
NaDa. Our Lord and sAviOr shall return. Learn to nydus you scrub
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
May 14 2010 10:27 GMT
#450
On May 14 2010 19:25 Baddieko wrote:
what bullshit is that? 1a2a3a hydras and toss can do nothing. They should be able to match zerg's army even w/o storms if not protoss got no chance at all.


1) Protoss has ALWAYS needed storms/reavers to have parity against Zerg in an army/army clash.

2) Kal used so much gas on useless corsairs - he built 7 or 8 over the course of the game, which killed maybe 6 scourge 3 ol and like 3 muta. Of course his ground army would be super weak as a result - that's 5 templar and 5 zlots right there.
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Wonders
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Australia753 Posts
May 14 2010 10:27 GMT
#451
On May 14 2010 19:25 Baddieko wrote:
what bullshit is that? 1a2a3a hydras and toss can do nothing. They should be able to match zerg's army even w/o storms if not protoss got no chance at all.


Protoss should be able to match zerg army without storm? What would happen with storm then?
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
May 14 2010 10:27 GMT
#452
I only saw 1 gas early so I was so sure he did not go for mutas. Then I looked away and when I got back he had like a ton of mutas and scourge.

Protoss just suck tbh.
vietboi
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway109 Posts
May 14 2010 10:27 GMT
#453
3-0 incoming. Effort is just to dominating in zvp, while kal is weak in pvz(compared with his other MU). Just a perfect MU for Effort really!

First map was triathlon! Anybody who thinks like me and think that sair/reaver would have worked out well on that map? Easy third base and gas. And sair dominates air so drop at the easy third can easily be defended.
Lazerbeems
Profile Joined May 2010
151 Posts
May 14 2010 10:27 GMT
#454
On May 14 2010 19:26 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 19:23 Lann555 wrote:
On May 14 2010 19:22 On_Slaught wrote:
Has ZvP always looked this one-sided? Can't remember the last time protoss actually played well in this MU.


I think the only time this matchup wasn't a rape was after the Bisu build became popular. It's pretty much back to fucked up though

it seems 5hatch hydra > FE esp when muta are out snipping ht. That game was a good example of why there was that huge thread about zvp being imbalanced, it seems like there was nothing Kal could do to overcome the huge hydra push that basically never ends.


The only "real" solution would be good use of reavers but against good zergs, that still isn't going to do much due to how little damage corsairs actually do and how tough mutalisks are.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 14 2010 10:27 GMT
#455
On May 14 2010 19:25 roronoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 19:23 Samurai- wrote:
effort raping kal.. meaning flash won osl already..


What? kal would probably put up even less of a fight against flash.


nope. Kal would be able to challenge flash a lot more than effort's zvt.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 14 2010 10:27 GMT
#456
Hey SuperArc, weren't you an Effort anti-fan a few weeks ago?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
May 14 2010 10:27 GMT
#457
Flash versus Effort is a terrible finals. It won't even be a challenge for Flash.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 14 2010 10:27 GMT
#458
Dissapointing series so far, Kal isn't doing very well. His corsairs was so out of place this game.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
May 14 2010 10:27 GMT
#459
On May 14 2010 19:26 NguN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 19:25 roronoe wrote:
On May 14 2010 19:23 Samurai- wrote:
effort raping kal.. meaning flash won osl already..


What? kal would probably put up even less of a fight against flash.


Have you seen Effort play ZvT? It's terrible this year. On the other hand, Kal is playing some pretty good SC in general. At least, before these games.


His ZvT has been bad indeed but I feel like he's recovered quite a bit and his talent is freaking limitless.

Right now both kal and effort would get raped by flash but atleast effort has some potential we havent quite gotten to see yet.
beep boop
cokencheese
Profile Joined October 2009
Philippines748 Posts
May 14 2010 10:27 GMT
#460
On May 14 2010 19:22 On_Slaught wrote:
Has ZvP always looked this one-sided? Can't remember the last time protoss actually played well in this MU.


Watch Stork's PvZ from around January. He focuses mostly on sair/reaver to get a safe third then forms an unstoppable death ball of goons and reavers.
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