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On April 29 2010 20:23 FireGuyX wrote:
The switch to carriers was too risky and paid the price. Free had a chance to comeback after he won that mini-battle, he should of pushed towards Hiya's nat, but he backed off and allowed Hiya to macro up.
you mean when he got that great stasis on all 3 vessels? he still couldn't push in because of hiya's long line of sieged tanks. this is the exact same thing that happened to violet. you can't fight that army head on (except for maybe with lots of zealot bombs, since at that point hiya's build has very few goliaths). The way violet dealt with it was that by the time Hiya pushed out (17 minutes), Violet was on 8 bases to hiya's 3, and kept on doing little assaults on the mech ball while it was in the middle. he lost more units (and a few bases), but also had the econ to rebuild them faster. eventually, the mech ball fell apart piece by piece, and then hiya was hosed and was starved.
free could have done the same thing, but free wasted a lot of resources early on on really dumb recalls without obs, constantly trying to pressure but doing nothing but losing arbs and units for nothing. when hiya pushed out (roughtly the same timing, free should have studied that game vs violet), free didn't have as many forces ready, and couldn't deal with it the same way.
the carrier switch was a last resort, it just didn't work. i dont think the fault is there though, at that point he didn't have much he could do.
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Free had the right unit composition when Hiya had mostly goliaths. He should have pushed towards Hiya's natural when he won that battle, instead he went to go and attack Hiya's expansion at the 7 o'clock.
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Seriously, how did Free think when he went for recalls against someone who takes 3 bases, and then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. Hiya didn't even move out to gain the slightest bit of map control, didn't prepare at all for taking a 4th, and still Free went in and sacrificed a ton of units for nothing. How can progamers make decisions like that?
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On April 29 2010 20:19 Doraemon wrote:
why is everyone dragging out their games tongiht ==
This morning, lol
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On April 29 2010 20:29 Holgerius wrote:
Seriously, how did Free think when he went for recalls against someone who takes 3 bases, and then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. Hiya didn't even move out to gain the slightest bit of map control, didn't prepare at all for taking a 4th, and still Free went in and sacrificed a ton of units for nothing. How can progamers make decisions like that?
free didn't do his homework.
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On April 29 2010 20:28 moopie wrote:
the carrier switch was a last resort
NO.
The carrier switch was planned and telegraphed long in advance. Free's investment in air armor and plasma shields, and skipping ground weapons, couldn't mean anything but a carrier switch.
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On April 29 2010 20:29 Holgerius wrote:
Seriously, how did Free think when he went for recalls against someone who takes 3 bases, and then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. Hiya didn't even move out to gain the slightest bit of map control, didn't prepare at all for taking a 4th, and still Free went in and sacrificed a ton of units for nothing. How can progamers make decisions like that?
Well it's to be expected from lesser tosses, but not from a dragon like free. =/
Because a lot of protoss went and did the same thing against Flash in 2009 and thats why his TvP still had good stats, but all dragons were smarter and raped his turtle play.
(Again, this is not anti-Flash, it's a fact that Flash went turtle for 90% in 2009)
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On April 29 2010 20:31 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 20:29 Holgerius wrote:
Seriously, how did Free think when he went for recalls against someone who takes 3 bases, and then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. Hiya didn't even move out to gain the slightest bit of map control, didn't prepare at all for taking a 4th, and still Free went in and sacrificed a ton of units for nothing. How can progamers make decisions like that? Well it's to be expected from lesser tosses, but not from a dragon like free. =/ Because a lot of protoss went and did the same thing against Flash in 2009 and thats why his TvP still had good stats, but all dragons were smarter and raped his turtle play. (Again, this is not anti-Flash, it's a fact that Flash went turtle for 90% in 2009)
No, I wouldn't expect this from any player who spends almost literally all his time playing this game. It blows my mind.
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On April 29 2010 20:30 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 20:29 Holgerius wrote:
Seriously, how did Free think when he went for recalls against someone who takes 3 bases, and then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. Hiya didn't even move out to gain the slightest bit of map control, didn't prepare at all for taking a 4th, and still Free went in and sacrificed a ton of units for nothing. How can progamers make decisions like that? free didn't do his homework.
Cmon what homework Free played stupidly with his brain somewhere else. Even I dont make that kind of mistakes .
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On April 29 2010 20:31 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 20:29 Holgerius wrote:
Seriously, how did Free think when he went for recalls against someone who takes 3 bases, and then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. Hiya didn't even move out to gain the slightest bit of map control, didn't prepare at all for taking a 4th, and still Free went in and sacrificed a ton of units for nothing. How can progamers make decisions like that? Well it's to be expected from lesser tosses, but not from a dragon like free. =/ Because a lot of protoss went and did the same thing against Flash in 2009 and thats why his TvP still had good stats, but all dragons were smarter and raped his turtle play. (Again, this is not anti-Flash, it's a fact that Flash went turtle for 90% in 2009)
Well, Free is the one dragon Flash didn't play in 2009.
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Calm looking very nervous
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On April 29 2010 20:33 SkelA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 20:30 moopie wrote:On April 29 2010 20:29 Holgerius wrote:
Seriously, how did Free think when he went for recalls against someone who takes 3 bases, and then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. Hiya didn't even move out to gain the slightest bit of map control, didn't prepare at all for taking a 4th, and still Free went in and sacrificed a ton of units for nothing. How can progamers make decisions like that? free didn't do his homework. Cmon what homework
studying hiya's tvp from earlier this week. same map, same build, same timings.
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Bonjwa-ship of Flash went Kaboom ;-)
Hiya vs Free was nice game. While it wasn't perfect there was good amount of decision making and evaluating expansions - which ones are more important, mine or my opponents. By the way, it was open mouthed player pitfight.
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On April 29 2010 20:34 Ryo wrote:
Calm looking very nervous
Doesn't he always look like this? With the whole "eyes bulging out of my head" sort of look?
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Calm the red zerg at 5.
great the yellow zerg at 11.
They clash on odd-eye 2!
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gogogo brain zerg!
let's hope it's not clam playing
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Calm sends out a drone pretty early - hidden hatch!
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EPT
