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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
April 29 2010 11:28 GMT
#821
On April 29 2010 20:23 FireGuyX wrote:
The switch to carriers was too risky and paid the price. Free had a chance to comeback after he won that mini-battle, he should of pushed towards Hiya's nat, but he backed off and allowed Hiya to macro up.


you mean when he got that great stasis on all 3 vessels? he still couldn't push in because of hiya's long line of sieged tanks. this is the exact same thing that happened to violet. you can't fight that army head on (except for maybe with lots of zealot bombs, since at that point hiya's build has very few goliaths). The way violet dealt with it was that by the time Hiya pushed out (17 minutes), Violet was on 8 bases to hiya's 3, and kept on doing little assaults on the mech ball while it was in the middle. he lost more units (and a few bases), but also had the econ to rebuild them faster. eventually, the mech ball fell apart piece by piece, and then hiya was hosed and was starved.

free could have done the same thing, but free wasted a lot of resources early on on really dumb recalls without obs, constantly trying to pressure but doing nothing but losing arbs and units for nothing. when hiya pushed out (roughtly the same timing, free should have studied that game vs violet), free didn't have as many forces ready, and couldn't deal with it the same way.

the carrier switch was a last resort, it just didn't work. i dont think the fault is there though, at that point he didn't have much he could do.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
April 29 2010 11:29 GMT
#822
cmon calm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
April 29 2010 11:29 GMT
#823
Free had the right unit composition when Hiya had mostly goliaths. He should have pushed towards Hiya's natural when he won that battle, instead he went to go and attack Hiya's expansion at the 7 o'clock.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 29 2010 11:29 GMT
#824
Seriously, how did Free think when he went for recalls against someone who takes 3 bases, and then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. Hiya didn't even move out to gain the slightest bit of map control, didn't prepare at all for taking a 4th, and still Free went in and sacrificed a ton of units for nothing. How can progamers make decisions like that?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
April 29 2010 11:29 GMT
#825
On April 29 2010 20:19 Doraemon wrote:
why is everyone dragging out their games tongiht ==


This morning, lol
When there's Flash there's a way.
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
April 29 2010 11:30 GMT
#826
My HUMP.
When there's Flash there's a way.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
April 29 2010 11:30 GMT
#827
On April 29 2010 20:29 Holgerius wrote:
Seriously, how did Free think when he went for recalls against someone who takes 3 bases, and then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. Hiya didn't even move out to gain the slightest bit of map control, didn't prepare at all for taking a 4th, and still Free went in and sacrificed a ton of units for nothing. How can progamers make decisions like that?


free didn't do his homework.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-29 11:31:58
April 29 2010 11:31 GMT
#828
On April 29 2010 20:28 moopie wrote:
the carrier switch was a last resort

NO.

The carrier switch was planned and telegraphed long in advance. Free's investment in air armor and plasma shields, and skipping ground weapons, couldn't mean anything but a carrier switch.
My strategy is to fork people.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 29 2010 11:31 GMT
#829
On April 29 2010 20:29 Holgerius wrote:
Seriously, how did Free think when he went for recalls against someone who takes 3 bases, and then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. Hiya didn't even move out to gain the slightest bit of map control, didn't prepare at all for taking a 4th, and still Free went in and sacrificed a ton of units for nothing. How can progamers make decisions like that?


Well it's to be expected from lesser tosses, but not from a dragon like free. =/

Because a lot of protoss went and did the same thing against Flash in 2009 and thats why his TvP still had good stats, but all dragons were smarter and raped his turtle play.

(Again, this is not anti-Flash, it's a fact that Flash went turtle for 90% in 2009)
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 29 2010 11:33 GMT
#830
On April 29 2010 20:31 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2010 20:29 Holgerius wrote:
Seriously, how did Free think when he went for recalls against someone who takes 3 bases, and then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. Hiya didn't even move out to gain the slightest bit of map control, didn't prepare at all for taking a 4th, and still Free went in and sacrificed a ton of units for nothing. How can progamers make decisions like that?


Well it's to be expected from lesser tosses, but not from a dragon like free. =/

Because a lot of protoss went and did the same thing against Flash in 2009 and thats why his TvP still had good stats, but all dragons were smarter and raped his turtle play.

(Again, this is not anti-Flash, it's a fact that Flash went turtle for 90% in 2009)

No, I wouldn't expect this from any player who spends almost literally all his time playing this game. It blows my mind.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13069 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-29 11:34:38
April 29 2010 11:33 GMT
#831
On April 29 2010 20:30 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2010 20:29 Holgerius wrote:
Seriously, how did Free think when he went for recalls against someone who takes 3 bases, and then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. Hiya didn't even move out to gain the slightest bit of map control, didn't prepare at all for taking a 4th, and still Free went in and sacrificed a ton of units for nothing. How can progamers make decisions like that?


free didn't do his homework.



Cmon what homework Free played stupidly with his brain somewhere else. Even I dont make that kind of mistakes .
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
April 29 2010 11:34 GMT
#832
On April 29 2010 20:31 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2010 20:29 Holgerius wrote:
Seriously, how did Free think when he went for recalls against someone who takes 3 bases, and then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. Hiya didn't even move out to gain the slightest bit of map control, didn't prepare at all for taking a 4th, and still Free went in and sacrificed a ton of units for nothing. How can progamers make decisions like that?


Well it's to be expected from lesser tosses, but not from a dragon like free. =/

Because a lot of protoss went and did the same thing against Flash in 2009 and thats why his TvP still had good stats, but all dragons were smarter and raped his turtle play.

(Again, this is not anti-Flash, it's a fact that Flash went turtle for 90% in 2009)


Well, Free is the one dragon Flash didn't play in 2009.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
April 29 2010 11:34 GMT
#833
Calm looking very nervous
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
April 29 2010 11:35 GMT
#834
On April 29 2010 20:33 SkelA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2010 20:30 moopie wrote:
On April 29 2010 20:29 Holgerius wrote:
Seriously, how did Free think when he went for recalls against someone who takes 3 bases, and then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. And then stays on 3 bases. Hiya didn't even move out to gain the slightest bit of map control, didn't prepare at all for taking a 4th, and still Free went in and sacrificed a ton of units for nothing. How can progamers make decisions like that?

free didn't do his homework.

Cmon what homework

studying hiya's tvp from earlier this week. same map, same build, same timings.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Pafnucy
Profile Joined October 2002
Poland1124 Posts
April 29 2010 11:35 GMT
#835
Bonjwa-ship of Flash went Kaboom ;-)

Hiya vs Free was nice game. While it wasn't perfect there was good amount of decision making and evaluating expansions - which ones are more important, mine or my opponents. By the way, it was open mouthed player pitfight.
Member of the "Fuck Yeah, Canata !" committee :-) to join copy/paste this
Kwanroller
Profile Joined April 2010
Afghanistan459 Posts
April 29 2010 11:35 GMT
#836
On April 29 2010 20:34 Ryo wrote:
Calm looking very nervous


Doesn't he always look like this? With the whole "eyes bulging out of my head" sort of look?
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 29 2010 11:36 GMT
#837
Calm the red zerg at 5.
great the yellow zerg at 11.

They clash on odd-eye 2!
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
April 29 2010 11:36 GMT
#838
gogogo brain zerg!

let's hope it's not clam playing
BW is back
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 29 2010 11:37 GMT
#839
Calm sends out a drone pretty early - hidden hatch!
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
rainei
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada1316 Posts
April 29 2010 11:37 GMT
#840
wat? hatch placement??
All aboard the HSY fanboat/train/ whatever form of transportation you desire!! Everyday is Sojin day
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