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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
April 16 2010 11:04 GMT
#401
Movie wins with a 140 APM deficit
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
April 16 2010 11:04 GMT
#402
Ya, Baby got ahead, but then allowed Movie to sit on 3 fresh mining bases instead of fast expanding himself, or moving out to kill Movie's stuff.
My strategy is to fork people.
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
April 16 2010 11:04 GMT
#403
On April 16 2010 20:03 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2010 20:00 Holgerius wrote:
SuperArc, you are such a fanboy.


of course I am, I always found it sad how Much was never able to get into a final. Now his apprentice Movie might get a 2nd silver.


apprentice surparses the master
BW is back
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
April 16 2010 11:04 GMT
#404
Baby did a good job of stopping top right on multiple occasions, but he never capitalized on that advantage. He was never able to consistently hold any bases, and after he let top right go up without any comparable economic advantage of his own, it was pretty much over.
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 16 2010 11:05 GMT
#405
Damn, that was such an awful defense against arbiters, Baby was lucky Movie's so awful himself with said arbiters. But when he stopped harassing those top-right expos, that sealed the deal for him, he let Movie come back, adn thus deprived us of Hwasin.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
April 16 2010 11:05 GMT
#406
LETS GO ZERO YOU SEXY BASTARD
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
sushiman
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden2691 Posts
April 16 2010 11:06 GMT
#407
On April 16 2010 19:57 Lann555 wrote:
So how did Baby end up losing this game? He was 30+ supply ahead at several moments in the midgame. Should he have pushed out earlier instead of playing defensively?

He had a ton of vultures, but very few tanks when he were ahead. For some reason he didn't get a refinery at 9 for like 5-10 minutes, which cost him both in upgrades and tanks. Can't say he did too well with EMP's and exping either.
1000 at least.
NeoOmega
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States495 Posts
April 16 2010 11:06 GMT
#408
Am I seeing this right on the replay? Are Baby's upgrades seriously 2/0? I know he lost an armory to recalls by then why did he rebuild it?
Kwanroller
Profile Joined April 2010
Afghanistan459 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-16 11:07:45
April 16 2010 11:07 GMT
#409
On April 16 2010 20:03 NeoOmega wrote:
I will repeat myself

Movie's Arbiters >>>>> Baby's Science Vessels.

Baby was unable to EMP effectively which allowed Movie to recall his way into the game. Baby was not in a bad spot, they were tied in psy for the majority of the match. If Baby was able to stop more of Movie's recalls with EMP he probably wins. However he only prevented one if Im not mistaken.


Movie's arbiters were so effective because he had so many of them, which was due to the fact that none of them died. Baby's inability to deal with these arbiters through very simple ways (such as lots of turrets, goliaths, more science vessels, etc) meant he couldn't hold onto any of his bases and he pretty much died right there.

He didn't have any EMPs because he didn't have a lot of science vessels to begin with.
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
April 16 2010 11:07 GMT
#410
On April 16 2010 20:02 nodule wrote:
It's true that there were mistakes by both sides, but the game itself was quite tense and entertaining. Recommend it!


yeah, it was pretty good. I couldn't tell whether Movie was going to lose for sure, so I wouldn't want to call it an awesome comeback - however I do think there were some fairly bad moments for Movie, like he fail-called into 6, cowardly CC escapes and later comes back to resume mining, while 10 vults massacre all the probes at Movie's 1 oclock base. Ouch. But then Movie did what he could with the 3 oclock still left and made some decent plays and eventually got into a good position with 12, 1,and 3 mining. All in all quite tense before then. BaBy definitely threw away an advantage.
CJ Entusman #24
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
April 16 2010 11:07 GMT
#411
On April 16 2010 20:04 jalstar wrote:
Movie wins with a 140 APM deficit

You could tell his plan was to multitask rather than to pump APM both when he double expoed at the top right and right after that when he went for archons instead of storm, it was his gameplan.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
April 16 2010 11:07 GMT
#412
On April 16 2010 20:04 Severedevil wrote:
Ya, Baby got ahead, but then allowed Movie to sit on 3 fresh mining bases instead of fast expanding himself, or moving out to kill Movie's stuff.


"fast expanding himself"

??

What base is Terran supposed to take after taking the 4 that Baby had, in a game where both players are constantly skirmishing?

Maybe Baby could have moved toward 11 earlier though he spent a lot of energy holding 6 until it was mined out. It's really hard to reinforce to 11 for T as well.

And Baby did a lot of damage to Movie's "3 fresh mining bases" repeatedly.
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
April 16 2010 11:07 GMT
#413
On April 16 2010 20:04 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2010 20:03 SuperArc wrote:
On April 16 2010 20:00 Holgerius wrote:
SuperArc, you are such a fanboy.


of course I am, I always found it sad how Much was never able to get into a final. Now his apprentice Movie might get a 2nd silver.


If he can get by Flash or if Flash is eliminated by someone else, I would say he would be the favorite to win the OSL.


FireGuyX, you're sure a fanboy
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
April 16 2010 11:09 GMT
#414
BaBy could have won if:
1. He built more turrets to counter arbiters.
2. Had better tank placement at 3 and 6 o'clock.
3. Secured another expansion at 10 when Movie's 1 came down.
CJ Entusman #24
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
April 16 2010 11:09 GMT
#415
gogogo zero!
BW is back
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 16 2010 11:10 GMT
#416
Once Baby learns how to deal with Arbiters properly he'll be a beast in TvP.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
April 16 2010 11:11 GMT
#417
On April 16 2010 20:07 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2010 20:04 Severedevil wrote:
Ya, Baby got ahead, but then allowed Movie to sit on 3 fresh mining bases instead of fast expanding himself, or moving out to kill Movie's stuff.


"fast expanding himself"

??

What base is Terran supposed to take after taking the 4 that Baby had, in a game where both players are constantly skirmishing?

Maybe Baby could have moved toward 11 earlier though he spent a lot of energy holding 6 until it was mined out. It's really hard to reinforce to 11 for T as well.

And Baby did a lot of damage to Movie's "3 fresh mining bases" repeatedly.

Baby never set up a solid Arbiter defense at any real base, especially 6. He just let arbiters walk all over him, and as a result he could never fully establish 6.

But there was a period in the game where Movie was basically back down onto 3 base, and Baby didn't use that time to take 9 and secure it properly. It ended up being awhile before Baby was confident to take 9 and stopping the 1 arb that sat there the entire time.
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 16 2010 11:11 GMT
#418
On April 16 2010 20:10 Holgerius wrote:
Once Baby learns how to deal with Arbiters properly he'll be a beast in TvP.


he also needs to make more tanks and less vultures
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
April 16 2010 11:11 GMT
#419
win please zero
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
April 16 2010 11:12 GMT
#420
On April 16 2010 20:04 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2010 20:03 SuperArc wrote:
On April 16 2010 20:00 Holgerius wrote:
SuperArc, you are such a fanboy.


of course I am, I always found it sad how Much was never able to get into a final. Now his apprentice Movie might get a 2nd silver.


If he can get by Flash or if Flash is eliminated by someone else, I would say he would be the favorite to win the OSL.


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