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in this age of parity and high skill level flash is a bonjwa much as how the patriots are a modern dynasty
fukit today is too happy of a day to waste on bonjwa talk. go kt!
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On April 03 2010 22:22 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 22:21 samachking wrote:On April 03 2010 22:20 SkytoM wrote:
5 back to back Finals guys. Five. Flash is NOT a bonjwa. Its not about how many finals you play in. It's about how good you are relative to everyone else. And Flash can only be compared to Nada and Oov(with July=JD) in that aspect, Boxer and Savior dont even come close. You clearly did NOT see Savior play back in the days. That guy was unstoppable.
I saw his highlights and his Shinhan games + his non ZvP finals. And he was not ahead over everyone else as Flash is now, the only person that can touch Flash in the late game is JD and only JD. + Savior had a 70% winrate and decent ZvZ and never qualified for the OSL in 2 years, Flash has 80% winrate and has been dominating everyone left and right. Sadly Zerg doesn't give the degree of safety and dominance as Terran does.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On April 03 2010 22:24 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 22:22 Roffles wrote:On April 03 2010 22:21 samachking wrote:On April 03 2010 22:20 SkytoM wrote:
5 back to back Finals guys. Five. Flash is NOT a bonjwa. Its not about how many finals you play in. It's about how good you are relative to everyone else. And Flash can only be compared to Nada and Oov(with July=JD) in that aspect, Boxer and Savior dont even come close. You clearly did NOT see Savior play back in the days. That guy was unstoppable. Savior was not as dominant as Flash is now...
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You serious?
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On April 03 2010 22:25 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 22:24 okum wrote:On April 03 2010 22:22 Roffles wrote:On April 03 2010 22:21 samachking wrote:On April 03 2010 22:20 SkytoM wrote:
5 back to back Finals guys. Five. Flash is NOT a bonjwa. Its not about how many finals you play in. It's about how good you are relative to everyone else. And Flash can only be compared to Nada and Oov(with July=JD) in that aspect, Boxer and Savior dont even come close. You clearly did NOT see Savior play back in the days. That guy was unstoppable. Savior was not as dominant as Flash is now... .... You serious?
he might be, it depends on what you consider dominance. Flash certainly wins more, but he also plays more.
But everyone who saw it knows about savior's "aura." Flash is getting that Aura, he just has to use it to destroy someone great in a finals.
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On April 03 2010 22:25 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 22:22 Roffles wrote:On April 03 2010 22:21 samachking wrote:On April 03 2010 22:20 SkytoM wrote:
5 back to back Finals guys. Five. Flash is NOT a bonjwa. Its not about how many finals you play in. It's about how good you are relative to everyone else. And Flash can only be compared to Nada and Oov(with July=JD) in that aspect, Boxer and Savior dont even come close. You clearly did NOT see Savior play back in the days. That guy was unstoppable. I saw his highlights and his Shinhan games + his non ZvP finals. And he was not ahead over everyone else as Flash is now, the only person that can touch Flash in the late game is JD and only JD. + Savior had a 70% winrate and decent ZvZ and never qualified for the OSL in 2 years, Flash has 80% winrate and has been dominating everyone left and right. Sadly Zerg doesn't give the degree of safety and dominance as Terran does.
But were you around to witness the day to day games he played, and destroyed everyone in?
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In the last 6 months, Flash is 70-14 (83.33%).
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FINAL CLARIFICATION / CONFIRMATION
The commentators (at least two or three of them) DID in fact say this.
"Flash seems to be at a level beyond Bonjwa"
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On April 03 2010 22:25 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 22:22 Roffles wrote:On April 03 2010 22:21 samachking wrote:On April 03 2010 22:20 SkytoM wrote:
5 back to back Finals guys. Five. Flash is NOT a bonjwa. Its not about how many finals you play in. It's about how good you are relative to everyone else. And Flash can only be compared to Nada and Oov(with July=JD) in that aspect, Boxer and Savior dont even come close. You clearly did NOT see Savior play back in the days. That guy was unstoppable. I saw his highlights and his Shinhan games + his non ZvP finals. And he was not ahead over everyone else as Flash is now, the only person that can touch Flash in the late game is JD and only JD. + Savior had a 70% winrate and decent ZvZ and never qualified for the OSL in 2 years, Flash has 80% winrate and has been dominating everyone left and right. Sadly Zerg doesn't give the degree of safety and dominance as Terran does.
Savior didn't qualify for the OSL for two years cause he was supposed to royal road his bonjwa OSL.
It was destiny. Royal road is a one in a lifetime chance.
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If the commentators said he was above bonjwa, he is at LEAST bonjwa to me
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On April 03 2010 22:22 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 22:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:On April 03 2010 22:20 SkytoM wrote:
5 back to back Finals guys. Five. Flash is NOT a bonjwa. Um, what? Who has 5 back to back finals? Savior. Savior > Reach, Chojja > Savior, Savior > rA, Savior > Silver, Bisu > Savior
what about nada? D:
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On April 03 2010 22:26 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 22:25 Roffles wrote:On April 03 2010 22:24 okum wrote:On April 03 2010 22:22 Roffles wrote:On April 03 2010 22:21 samachking wrote:On April 03 2010 22:20 SkytoM wrote:
5 back to back Finals guys. Five. Flash is NOT a bonjwa. Its not about how many finals you play in. It's about how good you are relative to everyone else. And Flash can only be compared to Nada and Oov(with July=JD) in that aspect, Boxer and Savior dont even come close. You clearly did NOT see Savior play back in the days. That guy was unstoppable. Savior was not as dominant as Flash is now... .... You serious? he might be, it depends on what you consider dominance. Flash certainly wins more, but he also plays more. But everyone who saw it knows about savior's "aura." Flash is getting that Aura, he just has to use it to destroy someone great in a finals.
He needs to beat Jaedong in a finals match decisively, just as Savior dismantled Nada in Shinhan 3. If that happens then no one will challenge the opinion that Flash is bonjwa.
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On April 03 2010 22:25 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 22:24 okum wrote:On April 03 2010 22:22 Roffles wrote:On April 03 2010 22:21 samachking wrote:On April 03 2010 22:20 SkytoM wrote:
5 back to back Finals guys. Five. Flash is NOT a bonjwa. Its not about how many finals you play in. It's about how good you are relative to everyone else. And Flash can only be compared to Nada and Oov(with July=JD) in that aspect, Boxer and Savior dont even come close. You clearly did NOT see Savior play back in the days. That guy was unstoppable. Savior was not as dominant as Flash is now... .... You serious?
I am definitely serious. No one has been as dominant as Flash is right now.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On April 03 2010 22:25 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 22:22 Roffles wrote:On April 03 2010 22:21 samachking wrote:On April 03 2010 22:20 SkytoM wrote:
5 back to back Finals guys. Five. Flash is NOT a bonjwa. Its not about how many finals you play in. It's about how good you are relative to everyone else. And Flash can only be compared to Nada and Oov(with July=JD) in that aspect, Boxer and Savior dont even come close. You clearly did NOT see Savior play back in the days. That guy was unstoppable. I saw his highlights and his Shinhan games + his non ZvP finals. And he was not ahead over everyone else as Flash is now, the only person that can touch Flash in the late game is JD and only JD. + Savior had a 70% winrate and decent ZvZ and never qualified for the OSL in 2 years, Flash has 80% winrate and has been dominating everyone left and right. Sadly Zerg doesn't give the degree of safety and dominance as Terran does.
Go watch his games instead of his highlights. Then come back and tell me that's not complete dominance. Watch his game vs Iris on Arkanoid, tell me that's not a work of art. Watch his ZvPs from pre-Bisu era. Then you can come back and tell me "I see why Savior had 85% ZvP at that time"
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On April 03 2010 22:28 Kyo Yuy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 22:26 TwoToneTerran wrote:On April 03 2010 22:25 Roffles wrote:On April 03 2010 22:24 okum wrote:On April 03 2010 22:22 Roffles wrote:On April 03 2010 22:21 samachking wrote:On April 03 2010 22:20 SkytoM wrote:
5 back to back Finals guys. Five. Flash is NOT a bonjwa. Its not about how many finals you play in. It's about how good you are relative to everyone else. And Flash can only be compared to Nada and Oov(with July=JD) in that aspect, Boxer and Savior dont even come close. You clearly did NOT see Savior play back in the days. That guy was unstoppable. Savior was not as dominant as Flash is now... .... You serious? he might be, it depends on what you consider dominance. Flash certainly wins more, but he also plays more. But everyone who saw it knows about savior's "aura." Flash is getting that Aura, he just has to use it to destroy someone great in a finals. He needs to beat Jaedong in a finals match decisively, just as Savior dismantled Nada in Shinhan 3. If that happens then no one will challenge the opinion that Flash is bonjwa.
that can only happen if JD makes it to finals again >
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
On April 03 2010 22:24 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 22:22 Roffles wrote:On April 03 2010 22:21 samachking wrote:On April 03 2010 22:20 SkytoM wrote:
5 back to back Finals guys. Five. Flash is NOT a bonjwa. Its not about how many finals you play in. It's about how good you are relative to everyone else. And Flash can only be compared to Nada and Oov(with July=JD) in that aspect, Boxer and Savior dont even come close. You clearly did NOT see Savior play back in the days. That guy was unstoppable. Savior was not as dominant as Flash is now...
You have to be joking.
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On April 03 2010 22:26 Megalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 22:25 samachking wrote:On April 03 2010 22:22 Roffles wrote:On April 03 2010 22:21 samachking wrote:On April 03 2010 22:20 SkytoM wrote:
5 back to back Finals guys. Five. Flash is NOT a bonjwa. Its not about how many finals you play in. It's about how good you are relative to everyone else. And Flash can only be compared to Nada and Oov(with July=JD) in that aspect, Boxer and Savior dont even come close. You clearly did NOT see Savior play back in the days. That guy was unstoppable. I saw his highlights and his Shinhan games + his non ZvP finals. And he was not ahead over everyone else as Flash is now, the only person that can touch Flash in the late game is JD and only JD. + Savior had a 70% winrate and decent ZvZ and never qualified for the OSL in 2 years, Flash has 80% winrate and has been dominating everyone left and right. Sadly Zerg doesn't give the degree of safety and dominance as Terran does. But were you around to witness the day to day games he played, and destroyed everyone in?
Nope.
I know his ZvT and ZvP were godlike, but Flash is just as dominant but in 3 mus instead of 2 while playing more games and qualifying for both leagues.
This is Savior's prime including offline games:
Savior from 4/2005 to 3/2007
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On April 03 2010 22:27 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 22:22 Roffles wrote:On April 03 2010 22:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:On April 03 2010 22:20 SkytoM wrote:
5 back to back Finals guys. Five. Flash is NOT a bonjwa. Um, what? Who has 5 back to back finals? Savior. Savior > Reach, Chojja > Savior, Savior > rA, Savior > Silver, Bisu > Savior
That was OSL, and yes Savior did beat rA in an MSL....
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On April 03 2010 22:27 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 22:22 Roffles wrote:On April 03 2010 22:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:On April 03 2010 22:20 SkytoM wrote:
5 back to back Finals guys. Five. Flash is NOT a bonjwa. Um, what? Who has 5 back to back finals? Savior. Savior > Reach, Chojja > Savior, Savior > rA, Savior > Silver, Bisu > Savior
I mean Savior > rA. We're not talking about OSLs, but rather MSL Finals.
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On April 03 2010 22:27 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 22:25 samachking wrote:On April 03 2010 22:22 Roffles wrote:On April 03 2010 22:21 samachking wrote:On April 03 2010 22:20 SkytoM wrote:
5 back to back Finals guys. Five. Flash is NOT a bonjwa. Its not about how many finals you play in. It's about how good you are relative to everyone else. And Flash can only be compared to Nada and Oov(with July=JD) in that aspect, Boxer and Savior dont even come close. You clearly did NOT see Savior play back in the days. That guy was unstoppable. I saw his highlights and his Shinhan games + his non ZvP finals. And he was not ahead over everyone else as Flash is now, the only person that can touch Flash in the late game is JD and only JD. + Savior had a 70% winrate and decent ZvZ and never qualified for the OSL in 2 years, Flash has 80% winrate and has been dominating everyone left and right. Sadly Zerg doesn't give the degree of safety and dominance as Terran does. Savior didn't qualify for the OSL for two years cause he was supposed to royal road his bonjwa OSL. It was destiny. Royal road is a one in a lifetime chance.
Lol come on, that's just silly. OSL qualifiers are hard and savior struggled in them until he moreso completed his game.
theeeeeeeeeen Bisu;
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who cares if he is bownja or not? i just want to see more epic games, i hope some other players also play at his level to see the best starcraft possible.
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