On April 03 2010 22:20 SkytoM wrote: 5 back to back Finals guys. Five. Flash is NOT a bonjwa.
Its not about how many finals you play in. It's about how good you are relative to everyone else. And Flash can only be compared to Nada and Oov(with July=JD) in that aspect, Boxer and Savior dont even come close.
You clearly did NOT see Savior play back in the days. That guy was unstoppable.
Savior was not as dominant as Flash is now...
You have to be joking.
Savior was amazing but he had more 3-2s and close games compared to Flash just crushing almost everyone lately.
I don't know if the win count matters that much. What matters is that at one point Savior was something like 26-1 in bo3/bo5's.
On April 03 2010 22:39 vnlegend wrote: Flash is doing pretty well. But like Savior before him, he needs to decisively defeat the other medalist, an in-shape Jaedong, before he can be bonjwa.
Make excuses all you want but Jaedong outsmarted Flash and got the BO advantage in 4/4 games. Power outage or not, Flash had no chance in winning that 3rd game.
Flash can't be responsible for Jaedong's shape. It's Jaedong's responsibility to step up and show he can compete with Flash, not the other way around.
Yes, 22-0 against Terrans in 2009 sounds much better than 26-1 against direct rivals in individual leagues.
Savior, prior to Flash, had the most amazing domination period to date. He reinvented how zerg's used defilers to never die:
I do think Flash is more impressive, but to say Savior's reign was not comparable is silly. I agree with Roffles that you need to watch Savior's games to appreciate how incredible he was.
On April 03 2010 22:20 SkytoM wrote: 5 back to back Finals guys. Five. Flash is NOT a bonjwa.
Its not about how many finals you play in. It's about how good you are relative to everyone else. And Flash can only be compared to Nada and Oov(with July=JD) in that aspect, Boxer and Savior dont even come close.
You clearly did NOT see Savior play back in the days. That guy was unstoppable.
Savior was not as dominant as Flash is now...
You have to be joking.
Savior was amazing but he had more 3-2s and close games compared to Flash just crushing almost everyone lately.
I don't know if the win count matters that much. What matters is that at one point Savior was something like 26-1 in bo3/bo5's.
Think about that for a second.
At one point Flash was 22-0 against Terran.
Think about that for a second.
On April 03 2010 22:39 vnlegend wrote: Flash is doing pretty well. But like Savior before him, he needs to decisively defeat the other medalist, an in-shape Jaedong, before he can be bonjwa.
Make excuses all you want but Jaedong outsmarted Flash and got the BO advantage in 4/4 games. Power outage or not, Flash had no chance in winning that 3rd game.
Flash can't be responsible for Jaedong's shape. It's Jaedong's responsibility to step up and show he can compete with Flash, not the other way around.
Yes, 22-0 against Terrans in 2009 sounds much better than 26-1 against direct rivals in individual leagues.
Except that does not include the offlines. Where Savior did not qualify for the OSL for 3 years. Both streaks are fucking impressive though. And Savior is more so. 26-1 in televised BoX's is completely sick. I would like to see a source on that though.
On April 03 2010 22:20 SkytoM wrote: 5 back to back Finals guys. Five. Flash is NOT a bonjwa.
Its not about how many finals you play in. It's about how good you are relative to everyone else. And Flash can only be compared to Nada and Oov(with July=JD) in that aspect, Boxer and Savior dont even come close.
You clearly did NOT see Savior play back in the days. That guy was unstoppable.
Savior was not as dominant as Flash is now...
You have to be joking.
Savior was amazing but he had more 3-2s and close games compared to Flash just crushing almost everyone lately.
I don't know if the win count matters that much. What matters is that at one point Savior was something like 26-1 in bo3/bo5's.
Think about that for a second.
At one point Flash was 22-0 against Terran.
Think about that for a second.
On April 03 2010 22:39 vnlegend wrote: Flash is doing pretty well. But like Savior before him, he needs to decisively defeat the other medalist, an in-shape Jaedong, before he can be bonjwa.
Make excuses all you want but Jaedong outsmarted Flash and got the BO advantage in 4/4 games. Power outage or not, Flash had no chance in winning that 3rd game.
Flash can't be responsible for Jaedong's shape. It's Jaedong's responsibility to step up and show he can compete with Flash, not the other way around.
Yes, 22-0 against Terrans in 2009 sounds much better than 26-1 against direct rivals in individual leagues.
My point was that anyone can pull out statistics that look good. 26-1 is fine and dandy, but how about providing some context for it. Also, I feel like you're saying that because Flash isn't 26-1 he can't be a bonjwa. What would that mean for Boxer, oov and Nada?
On April 03 2010 22:47 Qeet wrote: savior elo peak: 2321 pts flash elo peak 2427 pts
Irrelevant. They play more games these days.
Savior Titles: 4 Flash Titles: 2
How bout that counter? Come on...
cmon, lol. you serious you want to bring that up?
What? He brought up an irrelevant statistic. I brought one up as well.
There's no doubt Flash is dominating today's scene. But to say Savior's dominance wasn't close to Flash's is simply outrageous, which is why this argument stemmed in the first place.
On April 03 2010 22:20 SkytoM wrote: 5 back to back Finals guys. Five. Flash is NOT a bonjwa.
Its not about how many finals you play in. It's about how good you are relative to everyone else. And Flash can only be compared to Nada and Oov(with July=JD) in that aspect, Boxer and Savior dont even come close.
You clearly did NOT see Savior play back in the days. That guy was unstoppable.
Savior was not as dominant as Flash is now...
You have to be joking.
Savior was amazing but he had more 3-2s and close games compared to Flash just crushing almost everyone lately.
I don't know if the win count matters that much. What matters is that at one point Savior was something like 26-1 in bo3/bo5's.
Think about that for a second.
At one point Flash was 22-0 against Terran.
Think about that for a second.
On April 03 2010 22:39 vnlegend wrote: Flash is doing pretty well. But like Savior before him, he needs to decisively defeat the other medalist, an in-shape Jaedong, before he can be bonjwa.
Make excuses all you want but Jaedong outsmarted Flash and got the BO advantage in 4/4 games. Power outage or not, Flash had no chance in winning that 3rd game.
Flash can't be responsible for Jaedong's shape. It's Jaedong's responsibility to step up and show he can compete with Flash, not the other way around.
Yes, 22-0 against Terrans in 2009 sounds much better than 26-1 against direct rivals in individual leagues.
My point was that anyone can pull out statistics that look good. 26-1 is fine and dandy, but how about providing some context for it. Also, I feel like you're saying that because Flash isn't 26-1 he can't be a bonjwa. What would that mean for Boxer, oov and Nada?
Its not about how many finals you play in. It's about how good you are relative to everyone else. And Flash can only be compared to Nada and Oov(with July=JD) in that aspect, Boxer and Savior dont even come close.
You clearly did NOT see Savior play back in the days. That guy was unstoppable.
Savior was not as dominant as Flash is now...
You have to be joking.
Savior was amazing but he had more 3-2s and close games compared to Flash just crushing almost everyone lately.
I don't know if the win count matters that much. What matters is that at one point Savior was something like 26-1 in bo3/bo5's.
Think about that for a second.
At one point Flash was 22-0 against Terran.
Think about that for a second.
On April 03 2010 22:39 vnlegend wrote: Flash is doing pretty well. But like Savior before him, he needs to decisively defeat the other medalist, an in-shape Jaedong, before he can be bonjwa.
Make excuses all you want but Jaedong outsmarted Flash and got the BO advantage in 4/4 games. Power outage or not, Flash had no chance in winning that 3rd game.
Flash can't be responsible for Jaedong's shape. It's Jaedong's responsibility to step up and show he can compete with Flash, not the other way around.
Yes, 22-0 against Terrans in 2009 sounds much better than 26-1 against direct rivals in individual leagues.
My point was that anyone can pull out statistics that look good. 26-1 is fine and dandy, but how about providing some context for it. Also, I feel like you're saying that because Flash isn't 26-1 he can't be a bonjwa. What would that mean for Boxer, oov and Nada?
On April 03 2010 22:47 Qeet wrote: savior elo peak: 2321 pts flash elo peak 2427 pts
Irrelevant. They play more games these days.
Savior Titles: 4 Flash Titles: 2
How bout that counter? Come on...
cmon, lol. you serious you want to bring that up?
What? He brought up an irrelevant statistic. I brought one up as well.
There's no doubt Flash is dominating today's scene. But to say Savior's dominance wasn't close to Flash's is simply outrageous, which is why this argument stemmed in the first place.
oh yeah i was more of reacting at your outrageous comment about titles moreso than this flash-savior comparison since I have nothing against savior coz I wasnt interested in SC back when he was dominating. sorry for misreading the context.
It was annoying that his fans would post 10 pages of "2009" or whatever variations once he was winning 1 of every 10 matches last year though.
If savior had the opportunity to play as many games as Flash during his era of dominance, then his stats would be just as inflated.
Not to question savior's dominance, but I doubt it. Savior hiccuped a lot more than the current Flash does and, well, OSL qualifiers are forever a mark against him.
Also, most of Flash's games come from PL which Savior wasn't that amazing in.
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