• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:32
CEST 14:32
KST 21:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners5Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June2Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th151Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League6
StarCraft 2
General
TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Douyu Cup 2026 Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum
Brood War
General
Data needed Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW fans in southern Sweden, look here! 25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] NBA General Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Streaming Impacts Game P…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8127 users

[SWL] Final - KT Rolster vs MBCGame HERO - Page 119

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 117 118 119 120 121 130 Next
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
April 03 2010 13:11 GMT
#2361
On April 03 2010 22:06 DatTheMighty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2010 22:04 revy wrote:
On April 03 2010 21:58 meegrean wrote:
On April 03 2010 21:56 Chen wrote:
seriously flash was not expecting carriers, had he let Flash push him to his third/nat while amassing 4-6 carriers he would've had a chance

i think you had no idea how dangerous that push was. jaehoon needed to use his carriers immediately.


The push was dangerous, yes, but it was only at 6 o clock when he showed the carriers. A little more dancing with ground units and giving away ground to his choke and he could've had more carriers and Flash would've spent more production cycles with tank/vult. That would've put Jaehoon in a better spot. That said, I still don't think it would have been enough.


terrans always position tanks at the 6 expo to push. tanks are guarded from zealots and can reach the protoss army. everyone shouldn't assume flash was just gonna camp there.


Of course Flash wasn't planning on camping there I didn't think that he was, he was advancing at the proper speed. Jaehoon needed to let that push keep coming, let it get closer to his choke, then reveal 4 carriers. Flash would have done exactly as he did, pack up and run. The difference being he would have had further to run home to, Jaehoon would have had more 4 carriers instead of 2 at reveal, and Flash would've spent more cycles producing anti-ground.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66363 Posts
April 03 2010 13:11 GMT
#2362
On April 03 2010 22:10 J1.au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2010 22:07 johanes wrote:

ZnocK mod: even the commentator saying
ZnocK mod: flash is above bonjwa
ZnocK mod: its official
ZnocK mod: flash is bonjwa

Please be true!

they said they need a new nickname for Flash, because 'bonjwa' just won't suit him. he's just that damn good.
POGGERS
thestool91
Profile Joined August 2007
672 Posts
April 03 2010 13:11 GMT
#2363
its like when nal_ra went to the kt house and he talked to hoejja and violet about playing vs flash.

summary:
hoejja: when you play against flash, you lose how it feels like to win
violet: after playing flash, i got sent to a one month slump

the dreamer, mantoss, storm zerg, the cowboy, the spark terran, the ultimate weapon...what more can i say? GO KTF
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
April 03 2010 13:11 GMT
#2364
On April 03 2010 22:04 JSH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2010 22:02 Kvevil wrote:
Game 7 Summary:

+ Show Spoiler +
You see (P)Jaehoon? this is your gameplan for game against (T)Flash. Yeah, right, go dude and send 2 Carriers with couple Interceptors and show your hidden tech to Kespa No.1. Good luck.

Congratulations to KT Rolster for fully deserved title.
Apart from maybe game 2, this was disappointing final. All games were one-sided.


Yeah I think he should not have taken his trump card out so fast...

I was like WHY SO EEARLY!!!
(I couldn't even spell right at my rage)

of course, maybe he thought he couldn't defend Flash's push, except he wasn't attacking!
He was trying to take that expansion --;;


It doesn't work that way, Jaehoon needed to use his carriers to make sure he didnt DIE right there and then... he had what, ~20 goons vs 15 vultures 12 tanks?
:)
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
April 03 2010 13:11 GMT
#2365
On April 03 2010 22:09 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2010 22:08 Fionn wrote:
So does this mean KT can stopped being called the Proleague failures? They won a title.

They won a one round title. Congrats to them!

Come back and talk when KT wins an actual PL Grand Final.



We will, WE WILL !
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
April 03 2010 13:12 GMT
#2366
Flash's ELO: 2424
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
April 03 2010 13:12 GMT
#2367
On April 03 2010 22:10 Mystlord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2010 22:09 Roffles wrote:
On April 03 2010 22:08 Fionn wrote:
So does this mean KT can stopped being called the Proleague failures? They won a title.

They won a one round title. Congrats to them!

Come back and talk when KT wins an actual PL Grand Final.

Can KT rely on 2 other players to win other than Flash?

.... Hahahahahahaahha

Hahaha. Good point. Ahh, no wonder KT and Yellow were on such great terms. Never won anything of real importance. Always good at special events though.
God Bless
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
April 03 2010 13:12 GMT
#2368
Flash is bonjwa? :O
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
April 03 2010 13:13 GMT
#2369
The commentators said Flash was "above bonjwa"
always tired -_-
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
April 03 2010 13:13 GMT
#2370
2427 from 2418. 9 points. I was exactly right on Sea for 5 and Tyson and Jaehoon for 4 combined. :D
Remember Violet.
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
April 03 2010 13:13 GMT
#2371
On April 03 2010 22:12 KristianJS wrote:
Flash is bonjwa? :O


He has been but everyone here is too hesitant to call him that for some reason.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
April 03 2010 13:14 GMT
#2372
On April 03 2010 22:11 synapse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2010 22:04 JSH wrote:
On April 03 2010 22:02 Kvevil wrote:
Game 7 Summary:

+ Show Spoiler +
You see (P)Jaehoon? this is your gameplan for game against (T)Flash. Yeah, right, go dude and send 2 Carriers with couple Interceptors and show your hidden tech to Kespa No.1. Good luck.

Congratulations to KT Rolster for fully deserved title.
Apart from maybe game 2, this was disappointing final. All games were one-sided.


Yeah I think he should not have taken his trump card out so fast...

I was like WHY SO EEARLY!!!
(I couldn't even spell right at my rage)

of course, maybe he thought he couldn't defend Flash's push, except he wasn't attacking!
He was trying to take that expansion --;;


It doesn't work that way, Jaehoon needed to use his carriers to make sure he didnt DIE right there and then... he had what, ~20 goons vs 15 vultures 12 tanks?

This is what I have been saying. How long is Jaehoon gonna wait? He can't afford to risk losing any probes or nexus if the push gets too close.
Brood War loyalist
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
April 03 2010 13:14 GMT
#2373
On April 03 2010 22:13 Megalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2010 22:12 KristianJS wrote:
Flash is bonjwa? :O


He has been but everyone here is too hesitant to call him that for some reason.


I agree, but with Korean commentators outright saying it then that's something special....
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
April 03 2010 13:14 GMT
#2374
On April 03 2010 22:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
2427 from 2418. 9 points. I was exactly right on Sea for 5 and Tyson and Jaehoon for 4 combined. :D

Wasnt it 6, 1 and 2 respectively?
BW fighting!
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
April 03 2010 13:15 GMT
#2375
On April 03 2010 22:14 meegrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2010 22:11 synapse wrote:
On April 03 2010 22:04 JSH wrote:
On April 03 2010 22:02 Kvevil wrote:
Game 7 Summary:

+ Show Spoiler +
You see (P)Jaehoon? this is your gameplan for game against (T)Flash. Yeah, right, go dude and send 2 Carriers with couple Interceptors and show your hidden tech to Kespa No.1. Good luck.

Congratulations to KT Rolster for fully deserved title.
Apart from maybe game 2, this was disappointing final. All games were one-sided.


Yeah I think he should not have taken his trump card out so fast...

I was like WHY SO EEARLY!!!
(I couldn't even spell right at my rage)

of course, maybe he thought he couldn't defend Flash's push, except he wasn't attacking!
He was trying to take that expansion --;;


It doesn't work that way, Jaehoon needed to use his carriers to make sure he didnt DIE right there and then... he had what, ~20 goons vs 15 vultures 12 tanks?

This is what I have been saying. How long is Jaehoon gonna wait? He can't afford to risk losing any probes or nexus if the push gets too close.

Pull the Probes. Unless Flash wants all his Tanks dead then lose to a counter attack, he'd pull his tanks once Carriers hit his army.
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
April 03 2010 13:16 GMT
#2376
Flash at 2427 Elo with an >71% win rate. Almost over 70% in all three matchups (69.29% in TvP)

Can we call him bonjwa yet?
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
April 03 2010 13:16 GMT
#2377
On April 03 2010 22:13 Megalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2010 22:12 KristianJS wrote:
Flash is bonjwa? :O


He has been but everyone here is too hesitant to call him that for some reason.

It's because Jaedong exists and all the Jaedong fans will throw a riot if we call Flash bonjwa when he only has 2 OSL titles versus Jaedong's 3, as well as Jaedong's MSL victory over Flash in the last MSL.
#1 KawaiiRice fan :D
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
April 03 2010 13:16 GMT
#2378
On April 03 2010 22:14 538 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2010 22:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
2427 from 2418. 9 points. I was exactly right on Sea for 5 and Tyson and Jaehoon for 4 combined. :D

Wasnt it 6, 1 and 2 respectively?


I don't think Sea is worth six? Flash was like +150 points ahead of him, no matter the relative score. It may be that way but I've never seen an elo system not give out atleast 2 points for a win (mayhaps it's because of the big disparity in SC as opposed to other sports).
Remember Violet.
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
April 03 2010 13:17 GMT
#2379
On April 03 2010 22:16 Kyo Yuy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2010 22:13 Megalisk wrote:
On April 03 2010 22:12 KristianJS wrote:
Flash is bonjwa? :O


He has been but everyone here is too hesitant to call him that for some reason.

It's because Jaedong exists and all the Jaedong fans will throw a riot if we call Flash bonjwa when he only has 2 OSL titles versus Jaedong's 3, as well as Jaedong's MSL victory over Flash in the last MSL.


We don't need to call Flash a Bonjwa, commentators did it for us :D
always tired -_-
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 03 2010 13:18 GMT
#2380
If anything we can surely call Flash a Proleague bonjwa he was never in a slump there.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Prev 1 117 118 119 120 121 130 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 28m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 33715
Sea 2985
Shuttle 1300
Hyuk 466
Jaedong 462
EffOrt 452
Soma 443
BeSt 363
Light 240
ggaemo 227
[ Show more ]
ToSsGirL 192
Snow 145
Rush 137
Hyun 114
Dewaltoss 97
PianO 94
Leta 66
Free 59
Pusan 48
[sc1f]eonzerg 42
Sacsri 34
sorry 33
Barracks 21
soO 20
Shine 17
IntoTheRainbow 8
Icarus 7
GoRush 4
Terrorterran 3
ajuk12(nOOB) 1
Dota 2
XcaliburYe365
Counter-Strike
fl0m6466
olofmeister2195
kennyS813
Other Games
Lowko819
B2W.Neo790
hiko302
Beastyqt261
crisheroes246
Sick239
DeMusliM235
ArmadaUGS52
MindelVK12
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 1362
Other Games
BasetradeTV196
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis3479
• Jankos1259
• TFBlade525
Upcoming Events
OSC
28m
Maestros of the Game
1h 28m
Classic vs Maru
Serral vs herO
TBD vs Clem
TBD vs Rogue
Replay Cast
11h 28m
CranKy Ducklings
21h 28m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 2h
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
1d 6h
eOnzErG vs Mihu
Messiah vs XuanXuan
Jaystar vs TerrOr
Dewalt vs Bonyth
eOnzErG vs XuanXuan
Mihu vs TerrOr
Messiah vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 21h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
2 days
Jaystar vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs TerrOr
XuanXuan vs Bonyth
Mihu vs Dewalt
Messiah vs Jaystar
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
TerrOr vs Dewalt
OSC
2 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
2 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 22
2026 GSL S2
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
Acropolis #4 - GSB
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.