EPTOn January 23 2010 23:29 MrHoon wrote:
oh shit I'm back
I see flash lost
WERE THE GAMES GOOD?
oh shit I'm back
I see flash lost
WERE THE GAMES GOOD?
Poor, poor child
[MSL] Nate MSL Grand Finals - Flash vs Jaedong - Page 209
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
Poor, poor child | ||
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win8282
Korea (South)454 Posts
This was easily one of the best SL finals ever... and that shitty power outage fucked it all up. IMO game 4 JD was MOST LIKELY going to win... though it was unfair to award a win to JD, it would've ben even more unfair for a rematch. It's a choice between two evils. The former was probably (IMO) the lesser evil. I feel bad for both JD and Flash. JD probably feels like shit b/c the legitimacy of his wins will be questioned due to a major blunder from MBC. Flash will feel like shit b/c he'll feel the series was sorta robbed from him (though he prob knew he was gonna lose game 4, still unfair to just take it away without decisive evidence beyond a reasonable doubt). | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On January 23 2010 23:35 Elroi wrote: lol you'd been so happy if it was the other way around and Flash won in the same maner. I don't think that's fair to say. I think a decision like this might fly in spl, though even then it would cause issues, but this is MSL finals, and not even any MSL finals, but JD vs Flash... and its been hyped to hell and back for a week now non-stop. I don't think anyone, short of raging fanboys could honestly be 'happy' with an outcome of of default-win in starleague finals. | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
On January 23 2010 23:31 MrHoon wrote: CMON GIMME TEH ANSWER! edit: btw grats to JD~ Kudos for overcoming map imbalance~ Game 1: Jaedong won with excellent muta harass, but nothing amazing. Flash just had marines at natural for toolong and cot him the game. Game 2: Jaedong was in a strong position but then flash kep using a d-matric dropship to list mnm group into his main. JD had a hard time defending this because his entrace between nat and main were clogged with sunkens. Game 3: JD came over a map imbalance by surviving into early late game against Flash. *Then the power went out at a crucial moment. KeSPA gave JD the win based on position and bases. This has been a hot topic for some 100 pages. KT and Flash's dad throw a fit for a long time. Flash eventually comes back to play set 4. He loses quickly. Game 4: Flash loses. Rattled by outcome of game 3. Game 3 was mad epic unti the power went out. Oh god, damn it - I so want to see JD actually, physically take the win, I wanted to see Flash type out GG on such a heavily favored Terran map. It is the game of the yaer so far, just because of the controversy. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On January 23 2010 23:37 hifriend wrote: I was rooting for JD but I'm not particularly happy with the way this turned out.  same for me and most likely most JD fans On January 23 2010 23:45 Stratos_speAr wrote: Wow, this just ruins this entire series. What a horrible way to handle it. Oh KeSPA.... its not kespas fault | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
and I'm off to sleep. | ||
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Hazard
Norway594 Posts
This crap must be terminated by implementing an easy "instant game save" into pro SC and let's say instant save every 5 mins that won't have any affect on game timing. | ||
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snapcrackle
United States568 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/leagues/341_NATE_2009_MSL/player_stats | ||
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zeo
Serbia6282 Posts
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
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johanes
Czech Republic2227 Posts
On January 23 2010 23:55 Ricjames wrote: Hahahahahahaha i juse woke up and watched the VOD's and god that was funny as hell. I knew that they were going to mess it up, but this was above my expectation. I am so sorry for the players that they must go through jokes like this. Seriously WTF was that again? MSL FINAL? More like MSL FAILURE. I hope that at least TSL will cheer it up tonight there is no TSL tonight | ||
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idortlol
United States13 Posts
Do I think this would have been a better series if the power outage didn't occur? Absolutely, but shit happens and when you're in the middle of the Grand Finals and both players know each others builds, you better damn well not ordain a rematch for both participants. Judging based upon Jaedong's advantage of the map on Game 3, I believe it was totally appropriate for KeSPA to give the win to Jaedong. Flash still could have made the next two games to his advantage, but instead he lost in Game 4 and Jaedong took the title. GG to both players and hopefully we'll see more great action between Flash and Jaedong in Proleague. | ||
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torm3ntin
Brazil2534 Posts
the worst thing is to wake up at 5am and spend 3 hours on a shitty shit like this being 2 hours of korean advertisement and 1 hour of games / d/cs | ||
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
Even though I am a Flash fan, I respect Jaedong for his worth and abilities (Not to mention Modesty.) Simple as this: MBC is entirely the one at fault. Instead of playing tug of war on game 3, I want to offer my opinion that indeed playing in such a lackluster environment has damaged both players. As Boxer famously said, he would never have made it to what he is/was without the undying support of his fans. Jaedong had won game 3. But what about game 4? Had it been a normal outcome, we would have seen yet another Titanic clash as the two super-powers squared off once again. Instead, we see a shattered Flash, struggling to play after seeing his father tossed out (I mean seriously guys/girls, if your father was tossed out during say* an important sporting event you are playing, or say* your wedding day, I'm sure you would crumble too.) Indeed, I applaud fans on both sides for resolutely sticking up for their respective players. But at what cost? | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
CHECK FLASH'S MAIN AND NATURAL: NO MORE MINERALS How the hell do you fight 4 gas zerg with just ONE MINING EXPANSION????? GG JAEDONG I LOVE YOU. | ||
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
On January 23 2010 23:58 idortlol wrote: I'm still failing to see why people are complaining about Flash's loss on Game 3 due to the power outage. If Flash was the better player, then he could have overcame a 2-1 disadvantage against Jaedong. In truth he let the frustration from the Game 3 loss get to him and lost in Game 4. Do I think this would have been a better series if the power outage didn't occur? Absolutely, but shit happens and when you're in the middle of the Grand Finals and both players know each others builds, you better damn well not ordain a rematch for both participants. Judging based upon Jaedong's advantage of the map on Game 3, I believe it was totally appropriate for KeSPA to give the win to Jaedong. Flash still could have made the next two games to his advantage, but instead he lost in Game 4 and Jaedong took the title. GG to both players and hopefully we'll see more great action between Flash and Jaedong in Proleague. If Flash were the better player he should have no problem overcoming any amount of screwups and demoralizing positions, huh? Sorry, but I respectfully think you are being silly here. Given all that happened in that 1 hour shitstorm after the power went I think it is unreasonable, even insulting, to suggest that Flash deserved the loss for letting it get to him. The fact is that what happened after game 3 ensured that no matter what happened next, it wouldn't reflect a true final. It would have been one thing if they'd just given JD game 3 and moved right on, but a 1 hour shitstorm with Flash's dad almost being kicked out? That's too much. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On January 24 2010 00:01 Reaper9 wrote: Hi, I've been lurking a while now (couple of months) on Teamliquid, but this is the first time I have felt I needed to post. Indeed, the argument over game 3 has been seen from several points of view now, and I come to the conclusion that what Kespa did was not popular, but it was what they felt was right. Even though I am a Flash fan, I respect Jaedong for his worth and abilities (Not to mention Modesty.) Simple as this: MBC is entirely the one at fault. Instead of playing tug of war on game 3, I want to offer my opinion that indeed playing in such a lackluster environment has damaged both players. As Boxer famously said, he would never have made it to what he is/was without the undying support of his fans. Jaedong had won game 3. But what about game 4? Had it been a normal outcome, we would have seen yet another Titanic clash as the two super-powers squared off once again. Instead, we see a shattered Flash, struggling to play after seeing his father tossed out (I mean seriously guys/girls, if your father was tossed out during say* an important sporting event you are playing, or say* your wedding day, I'm sure you would crumble too.) Indeed, I applaud fans on both sides for resolutely sticking up for their respective players. But at what cost? This. For everyone saying, "well he would've lost anyway", the entire situation and how it was handled has a huge psychological effect on the players, and definitely did NOT help Flash at all. | ||
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I've been looking forward to this so much, and then it ends in such a retarded way. Fuck...
