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[MSL] Nate MSL Grand Finals - Flash vs Jaedong - Page 209

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HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
January 23 2010 14:40 GMT
#4161
On January 23 2010 23:29 MrHoon wrote:
oh shit I'm back

I see flash lost

WERE THE GAMES GOOD?



Poor, poor child
returns upon momentous occasions.
win8282
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)454 Posts
January 23 2010 14:40 GMT
#4162
So disappointing.
This was easily one of the best SL finals ever... and that shitty power outage fucked it all up.

IMO game 4 JD was MOST LIKELY going to win... though it was unfair to award a win to JD, it would've ben even more unfair for a rematch. It's a choice between two evils. The former was probably (IMO) the lesser evil.

I feel bad for both JD and Flash. JD probably feels like shit b/c the legitimacy of his wins will be questioned due to a major blunder from MBC. Flash will feel like shit b/c he'll feel the series was sorta robbed from him (though he prob knew he was gonna lose game 4, still unfair to just take it away without decisive evidence beyond a reasonable doubt).
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
January 23 2010 14:40 GMT
#4163
On January 23 2010 23:35 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 23:32 Holgerius wrote:
I'm not even angry anymore, I'm just sad. I've been looking forward to this so much, and then it ends in such a retarded way. Fuck...


lol you'd been so happy if it was the other way around and Flash won in the same maner.


I don't think that's fair to say. I think a decision like this might fly in spl, though even then it would cause issues, but this is MSL finals, and not even any MSL finals, but JD vs Flash... and its been hyped to hell and back for a week now non-stop. I don't think anyone, short of raging fanboys could honestly be 'happy' with an outcome of of default-win in starleague finals.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-23 14:44:50
January 23 2010 14:41 GMT
#4164
On January 23 2010 23:31 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 23:30 7mk wrote:
lololol Mr. Hoon

CMON GIMME TEH ANSWER!

edit: btw grats to JD~ Kudos for overcoming map imbalance~


Game 1: Jaedong won with excellent muta harass, but nothing amazing. Flash just had marines at natural for toolong and cot him the game.

Game 2: Jaedong was in a strong position but then flash kep using a d-matric dropship to list mnm group into his main. JD had a hard time defending this because his entrace between nat and main were clogged with sunkens.

Game 3: JD came over a map imbalance by surviving into early late game against Flash.

*Then the power went out at a crucial moment. KeSPA gave JD the win based on position and bases. This has been a hot topic for some 100 pages. KT and Flash's dad throw a fit for a long time. Flash eventually comes back to play set 4. He loses quickly.

Game 4: Flash loses. Rattled by outcome of game 3.

Game 3 was mad epic unti the power went out. Oh god, damn it - I so want to see JD actually, physically take the win, I wanted to see Flash type out GG on such a heavily favored Terran map. It is the game of the yaer so far, just because of the controversy.
CJ Entusman #24
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
January 23 2010 14:45 GMT
#4165
Wow, this just ruins this entire series. What a horrible way to handle it. Oh KeSPA....
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-23 14:48:41
January 23 2010 14:48 GMT
#4166
On January 23 2010 23:37 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 23:35 Elroi wrote:
On January 23 2010 23:32 Holgerius wrote:
I'm not even angry anymore, I'm just sad. I've been looking forward to this so much, and then it ends in such a retarded way. Fuck...


lol you'd been so happy if it was the other way around and Flash won in the same maner.

I was rooting for JD but I'm not particularly happy with the way this turned out.


same for me and most likely most JD fans

On January 23 2010 23:45 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Wow, this just ruins this entire series. What a horrible way to handle it. Oh KeSPA....


its not kespas fault
beep boop
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
January 23 2010 14:48 GMT
#4167
best case scenario: netizens and proteams rage until kespa is killed entirely

and I'm off to sleep.
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
Hazard
Profile Joined September 2009
Norway594 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-23 14:53:06
January 23 2010 14:50 GMT
#4168
3rd set was a disappointment that ruined whole finals. Yes JD was ahead but comebacks happen all the time. I don't understand Kespa rules at friggin all. First they award Julyzerg a rematch in a situation MUCH worse than Flash faced when game crashed but now with a blackout they just decide to change their old rule and give an auto win to a leader.

This crap must be terminated by implementing an easy "instant game save" into pro SC and let's say instant save every 5 mins that won't have any affect on game timing.
"Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
snapcrackle
Profile Joined December 2008
United States568 Posts
January 23 2010 14:52 GMT
#4169
WOW... JD Dominated the series (Although he only had 1 terran opponent)
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/leagues/341_NATE_2009_MSL/player_stats
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
January 23 2010 14:54 GMT
#4170
If flash had pushed into the 7 o'clock and seen the 2 defilers there he would have typed: "WTF GGNORE nOOb" and KTF would have anyway complained to kespa about THE DONG using maphacks. This way kespa typed ggnore for him... i don't think he should thank them but whatever
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
January 23 2010 14:55 GMT
#4171
Hahahahahahaha i juse woke up and watched the VOD's and god that was funny as hell. I knew that they were going to mess it up, but this was above my expectation. I am so sorry for the players that they must go through jokes like this. Seriously WTF was that again? MSL FINAL? More like MSL FAILURE. I hope that at least TSL will cheer it up tonight
Brood War is the best RTS that has ever been created.
hacpee
Profile Joined November 2007
United States752 Posts
January 23 2010 14:57 GMT
#4172
They should have replayed game 3, giving jaedong an extra drone at the start.
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2246 Posts
January 23 2010 14:58 GMT
#4173
On January 23 2010 23:55 Ricjames wrote:
Hahahahahahaha i juse woke up and watched the VOD's and god that was funny as hell. I knew that they were going to mess it up, but this was above my expectation. I am so sorry for the players that they must go through jokes like this. Seriously WTF was that again? MSL FINAL? More like MSL FAILURE. I hope that at least TSL will cheer it up tonight

there is no TSL tonight
idortlol
Profile Joined August 2009
United States13 Posts
January 23 2010 14:58 GMT
#4174
I'm still failing to see why people are complaining about Flash's loss on Game 3 due to the power outage. If Flash was the better player, then he could have overcame a 2-1 disadvantage against Jaedong. In truth he let the frustration from the Game 3 loss get to him and lost in Game 4.

Do I think this would have been a better series if the power outage didn't occur? Absolutely, but shit happens and when you're in the middle of the Grand Finals and both players know each others builds, you better damn well not ordain a rematch for both participants. Judging based upon Jaedong's advantage of the map on Game 3, I believe it was totally appropriate for KeSPA to give the win to Jaedong. Flash still could have made the next two games to his advantage, but instead he lost in Game 4 and Jaedong took the title.

GG to both players and hopefully we'll see more great action between Flash and Jaedong in Proleague.
You cant direct the winds, but you can adjust your sails.
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
January 23 2010 14:59 GMT
#4175
go to hell msl... ryme ftw...

the worst thing is to wake up at 5am and spend 3 hours on a shitty shit like this being 2 hours of korean advertisement and 1 hour of games / d/cs
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
January 23 2010 15:01 GMT
#4176
Hi, I've been lurking a while now (couple of months) on Teamliquid, but this is the first time I have felt I needed to post. Indeed, the argument over game 3 has been seen from several points of view now, and I come to the conclusion that what Kespa did was not popular, but it was what they felt was right.

Even though I am a Flash fan, I respect Jaedong for his worth and abilities (Not to mention Modesty.)
Simple as this: MBC is entirely the one at fault. Instead of playing tug of war on game 3, I want to offer my opinion that indeed playing in such a lackluster environment has damaged both players. As Boxer famously said, he would never have made it to what he is/was without the undying support of his fans.

Jaedong had won game 3. But what about game 4? Had it been a normal outcome, we would have seen yet another Titanic clash as the two super-powers squared off once again.

Instead, we see a shattered Flash, struggling to play after seeing his father tossed out (I mean seriously guys/girls, if your father was tossed out during say* an important sporting event you are playing, or say* your wedding day, I'm sure you would crumble too.) Indeed, I applaud fans on both sides for resolutely sticking up for their respective players. But at what cost?
I post only when my brain works.
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
January 23 2010 15:02 GMT
#4177
grr you people are stupid. Jaedong couldn't have lost that game. Let it go.
My. Copy. Is. Here.
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
January 23 2010 15:05 GMT
#4178
Game 3


CHECK FLASH'S MAIN AND NATURAL:

NO MORE MINERALS


How the hell do you fight 4 gas zerg with just ONE MINING EXPANSION?????


GG JAEDONG I LOVE YOU.
We decide our own destiny
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
January 23 2010 15:08 GMT
#4179
On January 23 2010 23:58 idortlol wrote:
I'm still failing to see why people are complaining about Flash's loss on Game 3 due to the power outage. If Flash was the better player, then he could have overcame a 2-1 disadvantage against Jaedong. In truth he let the frustration from the Game 3 loss get to him and lost in Game 4.

Do I think this would have been a better series if the power outage didn't occur? Absolutely, but shit happens and when you're in the middle of the Grand Finals and both players know each others builds, you better damn well not ordain a rematch for both participants. Judging based upon Jaedong's advantage of the map on Game 3, I believe it was totally appropriate for KeSPA to give the win to Jaedong. Flash still could have made the next two games to his advantage, but instead he lost in Game 4 and Jaedong took the title.

GG to both players and hopefully we'll see more great action between Flash and Jaedong in Proleague.




If Flash were the better player he should have no problem overcoming any amount of screwups and demoralizing positions, huh? Sorry, but I respectfully think you are being silly here. Given all that happened in that 1 hour shitstorm after the power went I think it is unreasonable, even insulting, to suggest that Flash deserved the loss for letting it get to him.

The fact is that what happened after game 3 ensured that no matter what happened next, it wouldn't reflect a true final. It would have been one thing if they'd just given JD game 3 and moved right on, but a 1 hour shitstorm with Flash's dad almost being kicked out? That's too much.
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-23 15:12:06
January 23 2010 15:11 GMT
#4180
On January 24 2010 00:01 Reaper9 wrote:
Hi, I've been lurking a while now (couple of months) on Teamliquid, but this is the first time I have felt I needed to post. Indeed, the argument over game 3 has been seen from several points of view now, and I come to the conclusion that what Kespa did was not popular, but it was what they felt was right.

Even though I am a Flash fan, I respect Jaedong for his worth and abilities (Not to mention Modesty.)
Simple as this: MBC is entirely the one at fault. Instead of playing tug of war on game 3, I want to offer my opinion that indeed playing in such a lackluster environment has damaged both players. As Boxer famously said, he would never have made it to what he is/was without the undying support of his fans.

Jaedong had won game 3. But what about game 4? Had it been a normal outcome, we would have seen yet another Titanic clash as the two super-powers squared off once again.

Instead, we see a shattered Flash, struggling to play after seeing his father tossed out (I mean seriously guys/girls, if your father was tossed out during say* an important sporting event you are playing, or say* your wedding day, I'm sure you would crumble too.) Indeed, I applaud fans on both sides for resolutely sticking up for their respective players. But at what cost?


This. For everyone saying, "well he would've lost anyway", the entire situation and how it was handled has a huge psychological effect on the players, and definitely did NOT help Flash at all.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
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