EPT[MSL] Nate MSL Grand Finals - Flash vs Jaedong - Page 210
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
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Hazard
Norway594 Posts
NO MORE MINERALS Flash took 9 o'clock expo. He clearly sent his SCV with an attack on 7 o'clock JD's expo but decides to pull back and take 7o'clock after. | ||
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Muff2n
United Kingdom250 Posts
If I had been in charge, the players would have moved on and played games 4 and 5. In the event that one player wins both those games, no decision has to be made on game 3. This way there is no hour long break of arguments and fans get to see a 5 game series for sure. No player gets his moral crushed as they just do not know the result of the game. edit with more thoughts: It is totally wrong to take the players into account when deciding on a rematch. You should just judge the position for what it is and not based on the players abilities. ie. if the Z had been a D- nub who had somehow earned that position vs flash, the decision should be the same. What if becuase JD had an advantage, we let him pick the map for the re? Obv there are details that need working out like when to play if they need practice, etc. | ||
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bioboyAT
Austria1763 Posts
 also one big ass macro game was missing like jaedong vs fantasy on outsider | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
On January 24 2010 00:12 Hazard wrote: Flash took 9 o'clock expo. He clearly sent his SCV with an attack on 7 o'clock JD's expo but decides to pull back and take 7o'clock after. 1 mineral only mining base = gg 95% of the time against a fully running 5 gas zerg. All Jaedong would have to do is sit back for 2-3 minutes, gather another 10 cows, and demolish that expo. Basically Jaedong would have to NOT SCREW UP game 3 to win it. If KESPA made the two players rematch and Flash ended up WINNING GAME 3 and taking the series, there would be just as much of an OUTRAGE in JAEDONG's favor. There was no win / win situation here. | ||
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Hevad Khan
United States158 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:03 7mk wrote: Lol at least someone wins.. how much did you lose on betting on movie though? i broke even. the betting was weird b/c I picked movie overall at 3.6:1 odds, but my buddy took movie for games 1,2 (flash won both) then he took flash for the rest (movie wins game 3, then loses 4). The betting worked out so that after game 3 I was even at the very worst and freerolling potentially 6500$ lol sick | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On January 23 2010 23:29 BG1 wrote: Ret: "I'd just like to say I think the descision Kespa made to award JD the win was the right one. He was playing on a T favored map...in a very very favorable position after having overcome all the imbalances that make this map so hard to play ZvT on. If you put jaedong back at the start of the game it gives flash an advantadge again...So regame is a lot worse than awarding Jaedong a win for a game he would win 99.9% of the time. He was about to get his 5th gas...Flash was outta minerals in about 2 minutes....with no vessels or tanks to fight Ultras. m&m in small numbers would have never broken jaedongs base at 7 o clock. So all in all the only right descision in my opinion." Ret seems to think he had a pretty big advantage too, 99.9% sounds pretty good... JD didn't have 5 gas, he had no dones @ 7, and this isn't some crappy terran, its Flash, we've seen him pull off the craziest shit | ||
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idortlol
United States13 Posts
On January 24 2010 00:08 KristianJS wrote: If Flash were the better player he should have no problem overcoming any amount of screwups and demoralizing positions, huh? Sorry, but I respectfully think you are being silly here. Given all that happened in that 1 hour shitstorm after the power went I think it is unreasonable, even insulting, to suggest that Flash deserved the loss for letting it get to him. The fact is that what happened after game 3 ensured that no matter what happened next, it wouldn't reflect a true final. It would have been one thing if they'd just given JD game 3 and moved right on, but a 1 hour shitstorm with Flash's dad almost being kicked out? That's too much. Again, I'm failing to see why this would have put Flash at any other disadvantage other than losing 2-1. If he were truly the better player (and many people in the SC community agree that he would have ultimately lost in Game 3 the way things were going), then he would have not let the underlying variables of the power outage, his father, and anything else that might be construed as stress-inducing to get to him. All-in-all, he lost because he was not the better player and Jaedong did a great job. I know it may not feel like a true victory to Jaedong to win in this fashion, but Flash did have an opportunity to redeem himself and achieve victory. | ||
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
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silverleaftree
20 Posts
It's part of the job of being a progamer. Life is tough, and mental strength is required to get through adversity like this. If you can't do that, then you simply lose, which was the case here. Furthermore, there is also a lot of fault to lay on Flash's dad, who caused a scene and then got himself kicked out. He didn't have the foresight to see that getting angry wouldn't ultimately help Flash at all. So, I think that if Flash's people kept their cool and continued with POSITIVE support for Flash, he would have been in a better mental state for game 4. Either way, managing your own mental state is part of the game, and Flash failed at it, so he lost. | ||
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ThunderGod
New Zealand897 Posts
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
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BG1
Canada1550 Posts
On January 24 2010 00:25 Mortician wrote: JD didn't have 5 gas, he had no dones @ 7, and this isn't some crappy terran, its Flash, we've seen him pull off the craziest shit So he had 3 gas vs Flashes half depleted Nat gas and mineral only base and 2 more gas bases going up while Flash had... a half depleted nat gas, yea. And btw this isn't a D zerg playing either, I hear Jaedong is not too shabby. | ||
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ToT)SiLeNcE(
Germany590 Posts
On January 24 2010 00:31 ThunderGod wrote: Haha just saw this: Yeah, I think it's quite funny :D Should be removed from TLPD though, because it changes Flash's Statistics (and especially his ELO!)... | ||
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
On January 24 2010 00:28 silverleaftree wrote: For those of you saying that game 3 broke Flash's "mindset": It's part of the job of being a progamer. Life is tough, and mental strength is required to get through adversity like this. If you can't do that, then you simply lose, which was the case here. Furthermore, there is also a lot of fault to lay on Flash's dad, who caused a scene and then got himself kicked out. He didn't have the foresight to see that getting angry wouldn't ultimately help Flash at all. So, I think that if Flash's people kept their cool and continued with POSITIVE support for Flash, he would have been in a better mental state for game 4. Either way, managing your own mental state is part of the game, and Flash failed at it, so he lost. Managing your mental state if you're down 1-2 in a finals is part of the game. Managing your mental state if you get raped and BM'd in an important series is part of the game. Managing your mental state if the game crashes and you have to replay is part of the game. But if you have to sit through 1 hour of your dad and coaches flipping out, threatening to walk out etc. etc. while having just been awarded a loss due to power-failure which puts you down 1-2 in the grand finals....sorry, but that's not part of the game. It's like if some crazy fan ran onto court during the Wimbledon finals and attacked Federer, would you also say that dealing with that is "part of the game"? Of course not. The situation created after game 3 escalated beyond the point where you can really say that it's "part of the game". | ||
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KnightOfNi
United States1508 Posts
On January 23 2010 19:13 Oxygen wrote: North Koreas are attaking!!!11 Best thing I saw in this thread ROFL JD had game 3... absolutely ridiculous comeback but he had that game won, with 5 gas against 1.5 bases max (I have no idea how many minerals are left in flash's main and nat), and holding against the kamikaze attack of Flash on the bottom right... incredible game that got totally owned by a power outage, but the decision was right nonetheless... I love reading the thread and looking at all of the people that are like Flash totally has this, JD is totally fucked, Flash wins 2-1, Flash with giant deathblob of doom and will win with it, etc etc and then too look to see how the game ended (power outage notwithstanding). WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE | ||
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Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
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kohkomo
Canada135 Posts
But...I also agree that Jaedong was ahead (%-wise will be forever debated) But if they made Jaedong rematch, I believe that would be more "Unfair" then giving Jaedong the win on the spot | ||
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snapcrackle
United States568 Posts
On January 24 2010 00:25 Mortician wrote: JD didn't have 5 gas, he had no dones @ 7, and this isn't some crappy terran, its Flash, we've seen him pull off the craziest shit watch again... he definitely had drones at 7. Also rewatch ESPECIALLY the last 5-10 seconds. It may not be TOO important but it did show how much in the lead JD was in that during those 5-10 seconds he JUST started to morph a hatch at 2 as pointed out by another TL member. I didn't spot it and it is hard to spot. Basically you will see that vision is increased... meaning that a drone started morphing into a hatchery. Now sure you may say "oh that doesn't say too anything" but what it tells me is that JD was even more in the lead than that i had previously thought. | ||
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Corrupt
Bulgaria1312 Posts
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