EPT[MSL] Nate MSL Grand Finals - Flash vs Jaedong - Page 197
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:40 dibbaN wrote: I love how people don't realize how the two races differ in macro capabilities and just scream OMG FLASH MARINE MEDIC BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD, ZvT is all about flanking and quick moves like lurker hopping, muta micro, ling surrounds, scourging (and obv defiler micro later on) which makes the units actually worth using. I'm not expert at all, but understand my point. When you're Terran and have awesome M&M micro you pretty much raise the efficiency of your units by 5 times, that does not ever happen for zerg and that is what allows Flash to look so amazingly sexy with his micro. The drop in 2nd set is proof of this, and I'm sure JD would do the same if his race allowed him to. That JD can actually win games off the best terran ever, flash, amazes me and just proves how clever he is. JD is a great player, and Flash isn't unbeatable, none the less the general census here is that MBC fucked this MSL over. | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:38 LF9 wrote: 200 pages?!?!?! I checked like a half hour ago and it was at like 50!!! Half an hour ago (21:08 KST) it had 186 :-p On January 23 2010 21:39 BG1 wrote: Jon747 should be posting footage of the 3rd game in a few minutes with the extra 30secs or so that was missed by the MBC recording. ? | ||
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
I hope T and Zs take him down in Winner's League, though. | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
It was all down hill from there, simply because there is no ideal course of action for this. I'm 100% certain Jaedong was ahead in game 3, but being ahead != victory. People come back from disadvantages all the time and while Flash was definitely behind he was far from being in an unwinnable position. Jaedong would probably have won it, but we will never know, which is a shame. Giving Jaedong the win is obviously a huge blow to Flash, while replaying a game in such a situation is always problematic. Both players already revealed their game plan for the map, a game plan they devised in countless practice games... The best would probably have been to call off the match and replay the series from scratch at different time, especially considering the score was 1-1 I feel it would have been the fairest call all things considered. | ||
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pieisamazing
United States1234 Posts
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haley
64 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:40 gravity wrote: I'm 100% serious and my idea is the only fair way to decide the issue (far more fair than a regame which screws the player who was in the lead), apart from maybe some impractical scenario where you regame but give some sort of advantage to the player who was winning (maybe let them pick the map?). People just have a poor understanding of probability and therefore a skewed idea of fairness. Just look at all the people who play the lottery. Why not look at scientific experiments where the expected value is more important than one instance? People with good understanding of probability can still object to your solution. | ||
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iG.SwOrD
Bulgaria183 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:34 I_Love_Bacon wrote: You're right, let's have everything stay flawed when it's obviously wrong. Improving things is stupid. Let everything stay as it is and never improve. I'm trying not to sound like a huge ass; but you should probably stop posting if that's the best argument you can come up with. You will find yourself awfully alone if you think re-games shouldn't be standard in SC when there are game failures/crashes. Or maybe you should stop being such a drama queen over a game? The people who had to judge the situation made the decision - like it or not doesnt matter. Everything has flaws mr.perfect from the sc forums and will always be that way. | ||
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gravity
Australia1847 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:41 boredcouch wrote: No, the main problem with your idea is there is no correct way of determining the exact probabilities. Live gambling odds are sufficient if there was such a thing. Otherwise statistics based on past games are a lot better than any other solution anyone has come up with. Come on, everyone's like "well, it's a lose/lose situation where someone gets screwed". My solution is the only one where nobody technically gets screwed, although of course it might be disappointing for the audience. The only reason to be against it is because it interferes with people's perception that they're in control of their own fate or whatever, but that has nothing to do with "fairness", and it's certainly no worse than simply awarding victory to whoever was in the lead. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:42 domane wrote: Overall, I think Jaedong played better than Flash tonight (not counting set 4). Congratulations to him. I agree, but I still can't even guess who would have won. does anyone know if KT is still planning to boycott MBC events? someone said the manager swore they wouldn't participate in them again it's so sad looking back at the first posts in this thread | ||
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mutuz
Brazil24 Posts
yes, except the game continued and flash lost his huge mnm force and didnt take out 7' | ||
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
Op should be required to be a little bit more objective. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7800 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:40 SuperArc wrote: Yeah, just remember how horrible Jaedong was playing at the time of the FA incident. Yeah because that happened 5 minutes before a deciding game 4 in the 2nd biggest tournament in Korea? | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:33 TheYango wrote: Interestingly, I imagine that Jaedong has to have some sympathy for Flash in this situation. Think about it: - Kespa policy fucks over player - Player's parents go apeshit and step way out of line to meddle in their son's career HMM, I WONDER WHAT THIS SOUNDS LIKE? Hah, I hadn't noticed that. But yeah, you're right. Also, those of you saying that the virtual studio is the only reason why it happened, didn't a proleague game at MBC's facilities end up with the connection dropping? | ||
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ReDD
United States5 Posts
I think Jaedong should have given up the fourth game though. | ||
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LF9
United States537 Posts
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Weryeery
288 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Anyone who seriously thinks Flash should be expected to play 100% after losing a game that didn't even finish and having his own father ejected emotionally from the studio by security and having his team threaten to forfeit and argue for an hour with KESPA refs must be insane. If the same thing happened to Jaedong, I wouldn't expect Jaedong to play very well afterward either. It doesn't matter if Flash is a "kid", it matters that he is a human being and not even the superhuman Jaedong would have the mental fortitude to play 100% after having his dad kicked out of the studio and arguing with kespa refs for an hour. Not exactly the same stories, but JD won Bacchus OSL during the Free Agency crap. So i guess he would had done better than Flash in this situation. | ||
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Hevad Khan
United States158 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:44 Xxio wrote: I agree, but I still can't even guess who would have won. does anyone know if KT is still planning to boycott MBC events? someone said the manager swore they wouldn't participate in them again I hope so. I really really really hope so. Someone needs to take a stand against this ridiculous shit that e-sports corporations have been pulling. | ||
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