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Gao Xi
Hong Kong5178 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:35 d_so wrote: Nate is associated with the TWO worst starleagues in history lol... Nate should never sponsor a starleague again Not if they're sponsoring an OSL | ||
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LF9
United States537 Posts
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:37 FireGuyX wrote: His CC was pretty much done, Jaedong was still having problems taking out a group of M&M army. M&M are cheap, he could of easily replenished his army and get a 3rd expansion. His CC that was done was for the mineral only, which I mentioned. In any case, at that moment, not looking into the future, Jaedong was slightly ahead. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
If the same thing happened to Jaedong, I wouldn't expect Jaedong to play very well afterward either. It doesn't matter if Flash is a "kid", it matters that he is a human being and not even the superhuman Jaedong would have the mental fortitude to play 100% after having his dad kicked out of the studio and arguing with kespa refs for an hour. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
Sigh. G'nite folks, enjoy the horrible debates and controversy that is sure to come in the next few days. | ||
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BG1
Canada1550 Posts
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:38 LF9 wrote: 200 pages?!?!?! I checked like a half hour ago and it was at like 50!!! You must've fallen asleep before game 1. Go back to sleep, you'll regret knowing the truth. | ||
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machinus
United States291 Posts
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gravity
Australia1961 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:34 EvilTeletubby wrote: No, because that's an awful idea. There is a difference is they suggested a regame (where players would decide their own fate) vs a randomly shot in the dark that involves no effort/training/input, etc. I thought you were just joking at first. I'm 100% serious and my idea is the only fair way to decide the issue (far more fair than a regame which screws the player who was in the lead), apart from maybe some impractical scenario where you regame but give some sort of advantage to the player who was winning (maybe let them pick the map?). People just have a poor understanding of probability and therefore a skewed idea of fairness. Just look at all the people who play the lottery. | ||
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dibban
Sweden1279 Posts
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verteqz
Canada89 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:38 LF9 wrote: 200 pages?!?!?! I checked like a half hour ago and it was at like 50!!! Uh that was like 4 hours ago lol | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Anyone who seriously thinks Flash should be expected to play 100% after losing a game that didn't even finish and having his own father ejected emotionally from the studio by security and having his team threaten to forfeit and argue for an hour with KESPA refs must be insane. If the same thing happened to Jaedong, I wouldn't expect Jaedong to play very well afterward either. It doesn't matter if Flash is a "kid", it matters that he is a human being and not even the superhuman Jaedong would have the mental fortitude to play 100% after having his dad kicked out of the studio and arguing with kespa refs for an hour. Yeah, just remember how horrible Jaedong was playing at the time of the FA incident. | ||
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yarders
United Kingdom194 Posts
This. Out of the three finished games, Jaedong won two, and had a significant advantage in the third set when it was aborted. Clearly he deserves to win. Yes, it was controversial, but what are you going to do? Replaying the Odd-Eye game wouldn't be fair to Jaedong, his likely winning preparation blown. [/QUOTE] Game 4 didnt mean anything, Flash was mentally gone at that point and was never going to win it. It certainly cant be used as a basis to judge the two players skill level. Game 3 should have been replayed. In every sport in the world you always replay a game unless their is a decisive advantage. Otherwise you defeat the common element of sport. That a player/team can come back from a losing position. Jaedong was slightly ahead but theres no way he had a decisive advantage. By not replying the game Jaedong is denied a proper victory. No one impartial can look upon this series and determine Jaedong to be the greatest player in the world because we simply don't know what would have happened. Thats completely unfair on him. The whole point of playing and winning a tournament is to unarguably assert your superiority and its why the game had to be replayed. What would have happened if the power had gone 5 minutes earlier when Flash took out 1 or when he was attacking 3. Should Flash have been awarded a win in this situation. Absolutly not. Kespas philosphy and therefore rules are fundamentally flawed. Today is a sad day indeed. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
The only 'semi-fair' thing to do (and I'm sure this would be argued like every other solution) would have been to schedule a rematch (not tonight, but in a few days/week or so). Either keep it as a 1-1, or start with a 0-0. This gives both players time to come up with whatever strategy they want (can even make it a different map, like a proleague map or something). edited to give post more content. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:38 Gao Xi wrote: Not if they're sponsoring an OSL The last NATE-sponsored league WAS an OSL. And it's second only tho this in trashiness. | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:39 BG1 wrote: Jon747 should be posting footage of the 3rd game in a few minutes with the extra 30secs or so that was missed by the MBC recording. Sweet. Not that this should settle anything. I won't be happy until Flash admits that he was unlikely to win. | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:32 Fionn wrote: Let's all just blame Kwanro/Calm. If they never made the MSL Finals last year, then MBC would have rented out a bigger stadium for this season's final and never had this virtual studio. With no virtual studio, the power outage would have never went out. If the power never went out, then we would have gotten an amazing finals. So in the end, everyone got Kwanrolled. Post of the thread! | ||
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boxxyownz
United States103 Posts
So giving the regame would've been unfair to Jaedong, but giving the free win was unfair to Flash. Either way this was a lose/lose situation, I think what I've learned today is that someone can still keep up with Flash in todays starcraft era. (excluding game 4 because flash was mentally broken down). Jaedong played better in my opinion and deserved the MSL Final victory. I am kinda biased towards Jaedong, but I do think if they replayed the game, it would've been as unfair as giving Jaedong the free win.All of the pre-game preparation would've gone down the drain. He would've been crushed after that game and having to repeat it again, pulling off all the saves he made that game couldn't have been an option if they replayed it. GG tho, hyped up final was living up to its name UNTIL the blackout. CYA IN WINNERSLEAGUE KT | ||
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boredcouch
United States110 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:40 gravity wrote: I'm 100% serious and my idea is the only fair way to decide the issue (far more fair than a regame which screws the player who was in the lead). People just have a poor understanding of probability and therefore a skewed idea of fairness. Just look at all the people who play the lottery. No, the main problem with your idea is there is no correct way of determining the exact probabilities. | ||
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Gao Xi
Hong Kong5178 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:40 machinus wrote: Soo...when is the MSL finals? I hear it's going to be epic. It was "epic", but not of the right kind | ||
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