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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:05 lxginverse wrote: the player interviews will end all of this... Not really, both of them are going to wish it happened differently and Flash is going to be manner about it, but everyone knows the truth. | ||
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EvanED
United States111 Posts
The can call their formed group the "FJSL" (Flash-Jaedong Starleague), or "JFSL" if you prefer. And the first event can be the "2010 APC FJSL". (For those who don't immediately get the reference, APC is a common manufacturer of UPSs. Feel free to substitute some other well-known brand.) | ||
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Gorgy
Chile65 Posts
Game 2: Scourges killed on the way to guards (not intentionally by flash). Game 3: 3 base + army vs 0.5 base + 5 medics. => JD won Game 4: After 1 hour of dad rage flash lost his nerve, he's 17 ffs. JD's been under pressure too many times to be unsettled by some bickering or space station shit, he just rolled the baby-flash. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:02 Ikonn wrote: It wasn't a certainty yet but JD had a huge lead. And knowing you lost doesn't mean you immediately have to type out. Remember set 2 of Flash vs Best. And it's 'would have'. That's not the point, Flash never typed GG, he didn't legitimately lost until he typed GG. Jaedong was given a win by KeSpa. Like I said before it wasn't fair to neither player that the game was halted. | ||
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poboxy
Canada48 Posts
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zzzzsleepyhead
United States103 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:05 Gregsen wrote: I don't think anybody gained gold from this. Especially not MBC. This was the worst promotion possible and they will have an extremly hard time to find a new sponsor. Maybe this was the last MSL to come. OSL > MSL. This MSL has left a bad taste in my mouth.. I honestly wouldn't miss it. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On January 23 2010 20:52 KwarK wrote: JD's win was completely undermined, despite some fantastic play, particularly in game 3. Flash's heart was completely undermined, his play in game 4 was just depressing. One thing to note though is mental strength. That's a situation in which mental strength is critical. JD is the man who comes back from anything at full strength. Every time people have said "this'll be the start of the end of the JD era" he turns up a week later stronger than ever. In a situation like this that ability to just detatch from the reality and play your top game is huge. JD is the better player in that regard. This is very truem I think JD has the best mentality of any gamer ever. But then again, the whole game 3 controversy was certainly a larger mental burden for Flash than for Jaedong, had Flash been given that game than game 4 might have been really hard to win for Jaedong. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:03 KwarK wrote:Both choices are unfair but giving JD the win is the least unfair of the two. I can't stop laughing. You're not the first to make this assertion but I just can't believe it. These games aren't about finding a loop hole in the rules to beat your opponent. It's about beating them in the game. While a restart when you're ahead is certainly not a desirable outcome, an outright loss is absurd. It's absolute. Playing the match again removes the advantage you had and puts things back to even. Even-steven. From that point it would have been a fair shake; whereas giving the game to Jaedong resulted in both a mind-fuck and a series lead for JD. | ||
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
And how can anyone suggest that game 4 was for sure representative? Would the outcome have been the same even without the drama or would Flash have taken it to a 5th set? We'll never know. Who really deserved to win this MSL? We'll never know. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13922 Posts
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Barneyk
Sweden321 Posts
[QUOTE]I'm a JD fan and I couldn't sleep last night because I was just praying that JD would get lucky with his opening BOs. And he did.[/QUOTE] Luck? It takes way more then luck, he was scouting Flash, or not scouting and thereby knoiwing they were crosspositions and using that information to adapt his build orders. Luck? Humbug. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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OreoBoi
Canada1639 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:03 KwarK wrote: The only way a replay would be fair is if Flash started with two scvs. Giving the game to JD only improves his position marginally (an almost won game turning into a won game). Giving a replay would improve Flash's position hugely (an almost lost game into an even game). Both choices are unfair but giving JD the win is the least unfair of the two. Replays aren't some magical fair thing that nobody can dispute. The player who was winning takes a hit from them. This is the best of a bad situation. If they would have just said that jaedong won game and then came back next week to finish the series, I think that would be the only good option. If they made the decision to replay it, Oz and jaedongs dad would have beenmad, and then jaedong would be at a psychological disadvantage. | ||
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Gregsen
Germany667 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:06 Gorgy wrote: Game 1: Flash got owned Game 2: Scourges killed on the way to guards (not intentionally by flash). Game 3: 3 base + army vs 0.5 base + 5 medics. => JD won Game 4: After 1 hour of dad rage flash lost his nerve, he's 17 ffs. JD's been under pressure too many times to be unsettled by some bickering or space station shit, he just rolled the baby-flash. Your post is nothing else but full of shit. | ||
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:05 verteqz wrote: Do you seriously think that the fourth game would have panned out as it did if the power outage didn't happen? Flash was not playing like Flash. You're right, but who's to blame for that? Only Flash. | ||
King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:00 Qwertify wrote: +1Jaedong thumbed down Odd-eye because he knows that Flash and Terrans in general have an advantage against Zerg. I, along with many experts, would have expected Flash to have taken this game. However, Jaedong somehow was able to save his 3rd. But then, Flash came along with 50 marines and took it down, along with a good number of lings and ultras. Then Flash swung around to take out another expo. I thought it was over for JD. Then JD, out of no where, flanks around with a bunch of cows and lings, and wipes up Flash's army before he can take out the base. JD gets his 3rd back up and takes a fifth @ 7. Flash puts pressure on this but, with a defiler, literally at 5 or so HP casts a dark swarm and then another, and pushes Flash back. With the nydus there and defilers, and with Flash's low Vessel count, Jaedong had the advantage, with the addition of having map control. It was true that Flash could have come back. It was unlikely however given that JD had map control. The person really robbed here was Jaedong. To take a win, on heavily favored Terran map, against someone so deadly against Zerg as Flash, that would have been JD's greatest accomplishment, or one of his greatest. The fact that JD couldn't get Flash to type gg - that is just extremely dis-satisfactory. I agree with this completely. Especially the last part; alot of people keep saying Flash was robbed, or that Jaedong didn't deserve the win, but that was one of the best ZvT games I've seen. JD's play was amazing and the fact that he couldn't finish it due to the power failure is very disappointing, both to him and fans of his. Even though JD ended up winning, both players were robbed tonight. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
Was Flash ahead when he killed of jeadongs hatchery without really losing that much ?? He wasnt ahead after a few minutes until the crash was he ? So how can u be so sure that jd wouldnt have lost his advantage as well !? | ||
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Snipinpanda
United States1227 Posts
If you have a strategy prepared for a certain map, there's no telling that it'll work again. Suppose if the game was rematched, and Flash jumps out to an early lead. How could that possibly be fair to Jaedong? Not enough preparation? That's bullcrap. Players prepare for ONE game on a certain map, not one game and then that same game to be rematched. Obviously, giving the game to Jaedong wasn't fair to Flash. While small, Flash still had an off chance of winning. You're obviously robbing him of his chance to come back. The worst part is that kespa is forced with a decision that probably decided the series. Game 4 was played with nowhere the intensity as the first three. Either way, the decision was going to affect their mental state like crazy. For once, I don't think you can blame kespa. There was no correct or optimal decision. I guess it's expected when MBC does crap like a virtual studio and have it fail on them... | ||
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snapcrackle
United States568 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:07 d_so wrote: i also think kwark's mention of jd's mental fortitude deserves special attention. yeah flash got fucked over but how u react to it i your decision... im a huge flash fan but his game 4 play was easily his worst in 2010 and maybe the worst since september 2009. u can't lay a turd when ur facing adversity worse was against kwanro in the MSL. he pulled the same shit kwanro rolled him easy | ||
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Welmu
Finland3295 Posts
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