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shaozu
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
China178 Posts
January 23 2010 12:09 GMT
#3721
kespa refs out - wcg refs in imo
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 23 2010 12:09 GMT
#3722
On January 23 2010 20:50 Holgerius wrote:
JD>>>>>>>>>>>Flash, that is quite obvious from this series. I guess Flash has been decent the last couple of months, but he is totally outclassed in every single way by JD.


Except in that second game where Flash dominated Jaedong from start to finish. But since Jaedong won against a mentally raped Flash after being given a free win by KESPA he's probably bonjwa
RIP Aaliyah
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
January 23 2010 12:09 GMT
#3723
On January 23 2010 21:07 d_so wrote:
i also think kwark's mention of jd's mental fortitude deserves special attention. yeah flash got fucked over but how u react to it i your decision... im a huge flash fan but his game 4 play was easily his worst in 2010 and maybe the worst since september 2009. u can't lay a turd when ur facing adversity


frankly i think it's bullshit. you've probably never been in a situation remotely comparable to flash's and while i don't doubt that you can imagine or read about or figure out scientifically how he was feeling you obviously haven't done so.

if i were flash i would have been absolutely crushed and might've lifted all my buildings on a whim or built supply depots saying fuck you kespa fuck you mbc.
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
January 23 2010 12:09 GMT
#3724
I want to see some netizen rage!
MasterDana
Profile Joined March 2008
United States114 Posts
January 23 2010 12:09 GMT
#3725
That was disappointing :<
<:
Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
January 23 2010 12:09 GMT
#3726
I'm so upset with this I can't even imagine watching another starcraft match right now. And winner's league is coming up. Fuck.
Never give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
January 23 2010 12:09 GMT
#3727
Game 3 ended with an advantage to JD, but not enough of one to call it (I can't wait for the VOD, not that it matters now thanks to Kespa). And yes, like others said, game 4 was an utter disgrace, you could see Flash wasn't himself, and you can't blame him.

MBC proved they are well deserving of the hate they've been getting this past week (ever since that flash overlay on the kal/jd game, followed by the virtual studio announcement)
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
MisterFailure
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada24 Posts
January 23 2010 12:09 GMT
#3728
Don't forget that FlaSh's dad was kicked out of the event, that must be pretty distracting. Still, Jaedong was the superior player in games 1 and 4. 3 is up for debate obviously.
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
January 23 2010 12:09 GMT
#3729
On January 23 2010 21:06 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 21:02 Ikonn wrote:
On January 23 2010 20:58 FireGuyX wrote:
On January 23 2010 20:57 Ikonn wrote:
On January 23 2010 20:52 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2010 20:48 Whiplash wrote:
Everyone was robbed by that.

JD's win was completely undermined, despite some fantastic play, particularly in game 3. Flash's heart was completely undermined, his play in game 4 was just depressing.

One thing to note though is mental strength. That's a situation in which mental strength is critical. JD is the man who comes back from anything at full strength. Every time people have said "this'll be the start of the end of the JD era" he turns up a week later stronger than ever. In a situation like this that ability to just detatch from the reality and play your top game is huge. JD is the better player in that regard.


Perhaps but Flash took a bigger mental hit than Jaedong did. Flash had pretty much lost that third game and I think he knew that, but then he saw his coaches and his old man go bonkers against the referees. That couldn't have been helpful while concentrating on the next game.

Jaedong just had to wait really.


How do you know that you think Flash lost? If he lost he would of typed GG.


It wasn't a certainty yet but JD had a huge lead. And knowing you lost doesn't mean you immediately have to type out. Remember set 2 of Flash vs Best.

And it's 'would have'.


That's not the point, Flash never typed GG, he didn't legitimately lost until he typed GG. Jaedong was given a win by KeSpa. Like I said before it wasn't fair to neither player that the game was halted.


Nobody is saying Flash legitimately lost. JD was just ahead and likely (note: likely) would have won the game. Replaying it would have been unfair, giving JD the win would have been unfair. It was a lose/lose situation
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-23 12:12:17
January 23 2010 12:09 GMT
#3730
I'm feeling so sad. That was one of the best finals ever till the blackout. The Hype, the players and skill, the 1:1 and the mind-blowing set 3.

I do think Jaedong had the game, and it wasn't a freewin given to jaedong. But the fact that a kespa decision was needed (Note: No hate to kespa this time. There was NOT a right decision for kespa to make. A win for JD and a rematch both would have been unfair), and all the crap happening after, totally ruined the finals.

Also, even when the finals would have turned out normal, the virtual studio crap totally would have ruined the atmosphere. No jumping out of the cabine, no ceremony, nothing.

Summary: Well done MBC. You had the opportunity to host one of the most amazing finals ever and totally fucked it up.
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
January 23 2010 12:09 GMT
#3731
On January 23 2010 21:06 Gorgy wrote:
Game 1: Flash got owned
Game 2: Scourges died on the way to guards (not intentionally by flash).
Game 3: 3 base + army vs 0.5 base + 5 medics. => JD won
Game 4: After 1 hour of dad rage flash lost his nerve, he's 17 ffs. JD's been under pressure too many times to be unsettled by some bickering or space station shit, he just rolled the baby-flash.

Are you joking? Game 2 flash did intentionally stop the scourge, its been shown on a fpv he dose this on purpose, game 3 Flash was on 2 base vs 2 base, IT WAS EVEN (both players mains mined out, jd wasnt mining from his 4th), Game 4 flash just gave up
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
January 23 2010 12:09 GMT
#3732
Blackout: It's what happens when managers try to get creative and get players to play on a space station rather than in a regular studio.
CJ Entusman #24
dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
January 23 2010 12:09 GMT
#3733
The only impact the power outage actually had was the influence on both players for the last game and ofcourse ruining the finals for the PEOPLE. I'm sure Jaedong himself knows he'd have won the third set, though the last probably felt like lackluster.

It appeared as if Flash had already decided to bunker rush on Fighting Spirit beforehand. If the crash didn't happen maybe Flash had, for some reason, realized it was quite obvious and predictable and chosen another build.
이제동 - 이영호 since '07.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 23 2010 12:10 GMT
#3734
On January 23 2010 21:08 TheBB wrote:
You're right, but who's to blame for that? Only Flash.

Actually, I'd blame the KT coaches and Flash's dad for making far more of a drama out of it than it really needed to be. Regardless of what you thought the outcome should be, it was very clear that it was a lose/lose situation. Making a fuss over it only served to unsettle Flash and seal his fate in the 4th game.
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SoL[9]
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Portugal1370 Posts
January 23 2010 12:10 GMT
#3735
LOL to fanboys of Flash ^^

JD was better than Flash no doubt of that.
Is just sad that was poor games :/

I Can Fly...
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
January 23 2010 12:10 GMT
#3736
On January 23 2010 21:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 20:50 Holgerius wrote:
JD>>>>>>>>>>>Flash, that is quite obvious from this series. I guess Flash has been decent the last couple of months, but he is totally outclassed in every single way by JD.


Except in that second game where Flash dominated Jaedong from start to finish. But since Jaedong won against a mentally raped Flash after being given a free win by KESPA he's probably bonjwa


i and most others disagree that flash dominated jaedong second game. jaedong went guards which was silly. gg
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
January 23 2010 12:10 GMT
#3737
On January 23 2010 21:05 Gregsen wrote:Maybe this was the last MSL to come.



That would be SO awesome. No more of this annoying broadcaster, no more butt-ugly moderators being shown instead of unit counter, no more fucking power-outs to beat the better player.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 23 2010 12:10 GMT
#3738
On January 23 2010 21:07 d_so wrote:
i also think kwark's mention of jd's mental fortitude deserves special attention. yeah flash got fucked over but how u react to it i your decision... im a huge flash fan but his game 4 play was easily his worst in 2010 and maybe the worst since september 2009. u can't lay a turd when ur facing adversity


uh... i think he probably gave it up intentionally.

the mental burdens on JD and Flash were even on the same scale.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
January 23 2010 12:10 GMT
#3739
Stop complaining about game 4. Flash clearly disliked the map as he thumbed-down it and went for his standard 8-rax rush, which wasn't out of blue. He's planned it out and done this plenty of times vs JD, Kwanro, etc. He also had to deal with JD's soulread 3-hatch before pool vs his FE so 8rax was a logical counter. So in game 4, controversy aside, that's pretty much Flash's build.

Unfortunately for him, for the 4th time today (4/4 games or 100%), JD read him like an open book, opened pool first and won the game.

JD >>> Flash
Marines > everything
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 23 2010 12:10 GMT
#3740
OBVIOUSLY FLASH SUCKS FOR NOT PLAYING PERFECT STARCRAFT AFTER HAVING A WIN HANDED OVER TO HIS OPPONENT AND HAVING HIS TEAM AND COACH FIGHT WITH REFS FOR AN HOUR AND HAVING HIS DAD ESCORTED AWAY BY SECURITY

if only flash was good enough to wipe his mind clear of all that like the bonjwa jaedong then maybe he would deserve a starleague title but lol he sucks
RIP Aaliyah
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