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On January 23 2010 20:55 TheBB wrote:This. Out of the three finished games, Jaedong won two, and had a significant advantage in the third set when it was aborted. Clearly he deserves to win. Yes, it was controversial, but what are you going to do? Replaying the Odd-Eye game wouldn't be fair to Jaedong, his likely winning preparation blown. Props to Flash for taking it like a man, unlike his father, and props to Jaedong for resisting any urge to throw game four. Hopefully we will see another MSL, but it's not looking good. Now let's just look forward to Winner's League.
Game three should of been replayed. It wasn't fair to neither player that the game was halted.
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it was very disappointing final. 
i'm not a flash fan but really feel sorry for him.
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On January 23 2010 20:47 Shikyo wrote:
Guys as I've said numerous times, if G3 would have went on, JD would have won. Regame would have been the most unfair thing possible.
3-1 like this, 3-1 if the game had went on. Doesn't make a difference, JD >>> Flash easily. In his worth match-up, on super imbalanced MSL maps. What do you say about that? Nothing, you just keep thinking about unimportant things and concentrating on the wrong stuff.
When G3 vod comes out, analyse it objectively and think for a while.
GJ Jaedong, never doubted you ^_^ Too bad you didn't use Guardians properly in G2, or it'd be a crushing 3-0.
G3 aside, your assumption of JD winning G4 for certain is ludicrous. G4 is no where near an accurate reflection of what a normal G4 could have been.
- flash was probably devastated by what has happened: the loss, the KT team feud with kespa, dad being asked to leave (then eventually allowed to stay), consideration of a forfeit, etc.
- Flash used a risky cheesey strategy that he probably wouldn't have used if G3 ended normally.
- Say he did prepare an 8rax on FS, his choice to follow up was strange. Instead of FE (mind you the cross position), he opted for dual rax aca build.
- Say he did intend on follow up his 8rax with a one-base build, he let a zergling slip in carelessly.
- Say he would've let the ling sneak in even if he were playing his best, he decided to charge 3 sunkens with one medic
It was just a series of trivial/irrational mistakes that Flash would not make normally; hence making G4 completely moot.
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On January 23 2010 20:52 KwarK wrote:JD's win was completely undermined, despite some fantastic play, particularly in game 3. Flash's heart was completely undermined, his play in game 4 was just depressing. One thing to note though is mental strength. That's a situation in which mental strength is critical. JD is the man who comes back from anything at full strength. Every time people have said "this'll be the start of the end of the JD era" he turns up a week later stronger than ever. In a situation like this that ability to just detatch from the reality and play your top game is huge. JD is the better player in that regard.
Perhaps but Flash took a bigger mental hit than Jaedong did. Flash had pretty much lost that third game and I think he knew that, but then he saw his coaches and his old man go bonkers against the referees. That couldn't have been helpful while concentrating on the next game.
Jaedong just had to wait really.
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oov may be right: "[...]Haha, but seriously I wish both players do terrible. After this final ends, both players must slump for an eternity.[...]"
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On January 23 2010 20:55 Fzero wrote:
I have a severe fear that Flash's parents will really really consider pulling flash out of starcraft. I don't know how they couldn't at least talk about it now. Flash was thinking about it recently anyway, and after this... your will to be at the top just can't be as strong. Flash was playing as well as any player in the history of the game and his year of greatness is tainted by this. If he ever wins another starleague I'll be extremely impressed.
I think I've read somewhere that Flash is the best payed progamer. Not sure if this is true but my point is..
No, he won't quit 
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And I am pretty surprised that no one noted that Jaedong completely mindraped in the first three games.
Going from 12pool lair into three hatch before pool.
So many were like "omg Flash will go with an advantage in the series since he can play standard, 14cc or 8rax".
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On January 23 2010 20:55 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 20:44 jalstar wrote:On January 23 2010 20:43 bias- wrote:
Did you see how discombobulated Flash's play seemed in set 4? No question this shit ruined the finals. I wonder what MBC commentators and Execs and KeSPA people are saying in private, off the record. Fucking stupid. He had to watch his dad completely lose his cool for like an hour no one could have played 100% after that Yeah his dad probably thought that Flash was winning and then they gave Jaedong the win ... But what can you do ? Any decision in that situation would have been wrong .
see above; what you can do is have a reasonable process, rules, guidelines etc. by which you can assess the situation and not do it ad hoc when a hundred thousand people are watching, resulting in massive fallout and embarrassment for your organization and the broadcasting company.
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Flash was seconds away from typing out in the 3rd but of course no Flash fanboy is gonna admit it. The 2nd game got nothing to do with the 3rd. In the 2nd JD had no real army after losing his guardians. It takes guts to admit defeat and most people dont have it.
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flash's space heater for #1 PR
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On January 23 2010 20:57 Ikonn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 20:52 KwarK wrote:On January 23 2010 20:48 Whiplash wrote:
Everyone was robbed by that. JD's win was completely undermined, despite some fantastic play, particularly in game 3. Flash's heart was completely undermined, his play in game 4 was just depressing. One thing to note though is mental strength. That's a situation in which mental strength is critical. JD is the man who comes back from anything at full strength. Every time people have said "this'll be the start of the end of the JD era" he turns up a week later stronger than ever. In a situation like this that ability to just detatch from the reality and play your top game is huge. JD is the better player in that regard. Perhaps but Flash took a bigger mental hit than Jaedong did. Flash had pretty much lost that third game and I think he knew that, but then he saw his coaches and his old man go bonkers against the referees. That couldn't have been helpful while concentrating on the next game. Jaedong just had to wait really.
How do you know that you think Flash lost? If he lost he would of typed GG.
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On January 23 2010 20:55 TheBB wrote:This. Out of the three finished games, Jaedong won two, and had a significant advantage in the third set when it was aborted. Clearly he deserves to win. Yes, it was controversial, but what are you going to do? Replaying the Odd-Eye game wouldn't be fair to Jaedong, his likely winning preparation blown. Props to Flash for taking it like a man, unlike his father, and props to Jaedong for resisting any urge to throw game four. Hopefully we will see another MSL, but it's not looking good. Now let's just look forward to Winner's League.
Getting punished for a companies bad process is taking it like a man? Whats with the disrespect to his father for wanting some sort of justice towards his kids career. It should have been a rematch, Jaedong should "take it like a man" and adapt to a re just as flash would. All the maps favored T so there is no, do or die game plan.
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On January 23 2010 20:55 TheBB wrote:This. Out of the three finished games, Jaedong won two, and had a significant advantage in the third set when it was aborted. Clearly he deserves to win. Yes, it was controversial, but what are you going to do? Replaying the Odd-Eye game wouldn't be fair to Jaedong, his likely winning preparation blown. Props to Flash for taking it like a man, unlike his father, and props to Jaedong for resisting any urge to throw game four. Hopefully we will see another MSL, but it's not looking good. Now let's just look forward to Winner's League.
ok we're going to have to make another thread fo this but WHY DO PEOPLE THINK MSL IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT SEASON. if mbcgame is failing to the point of having to cut programs they'll cut TEKKEN, DUNGEON FIGHTER, STAR UNLIMITED CHALLENGE (WHERE THEY PLAY CUSTOM GAMES FOR TWO HOURS), AND THIS STUPID TEN O CLOCK SHOW WHERE THEY HAVE THIS NOT PRETTY CHICK TRYING TO MIX MUSIC POP CULTURE WITH GAMING.
in other words we would see evidence of their failures affecting peripheral programming far before they give up something prestigious like the MSL.
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KT team should walk away unless a rematch was given
if I was rooting for Jaedong i wouldnt be happy either
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I'd have to see game again, but in game 3, Flash was just getting his 3rd, lost a massive ammount of rines, medic, and vessels, having only like 3 vessels left. Right when his reinforcements come into the picture, black out. Granted, Jaedong DID have an advantage, it was not 100% iirc. Also, how is giving them a regame more unfair than Jaedong getting the win? Can you say 100% that progamers, especially Flash, could not have come out of disadvantages like this? A regame would make the series 1-1, which is much more easier for Jaedong to overcome as opposed to Flash being down 1-2 off a game that did not even finish.
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I agree that this series was dissapointing (not to mention I was cheering for flash lol), but yeah try not to let the negativity affect your opinion of Jaedong. He played better than Flash in general tonight. =)
(Next time flash! ^^)
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Terrible series and nobody is going to recognize this title. I hope MBC never gets another sponsor and MSL dies tonight because holy shit this sucked.
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On January 23 2010 20:54 dude_2 wrote:
can't understand whys ome people defend the decision to give jd the win in game 3. if the game stopped earlier when flash just have destroyed the base at the 1 o'clock, i guess, and had this huge mnm force, kespa would've propably decided to give flash the win. and then look what happens after that.
that is exactly why i find it astonishing people think the decision was right..
would the game crash at an earlier points it looked like flash was leading but then after a few minutes behind he is more losing than winning the game.. what does this tell u !?
it is pretty unpredictable...
whatever I let it go before i get any punishment for having a different opinion than many here =)
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On January 23 2010 20:50 Holgerius wrote:
JD>>>>>>>>>>>Flash, that is quite obvious from this series. I guess Flash has been decent the last couple of months, but he is totally outclassed in every single way by JD.
Lol are you serious, I guess you didnt watch the osl then? Both are great players in their own aspect
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