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[MSL] Nate MSL Grand Finals - Flash vs Jaedong - Page 163

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XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
January 23 2010 11:15 GMT
#3241
I am so angry! Both players put in so much effort! Jaedong put in effort, flash put in effort and practiced until finger bleeds.

And in this kind of finals, 2 greatest player fighting. It should be won fair and square! Not based on.... Jaedong= advantage! Jaedong win by refree decision.

I am crying right now. It was so unfair. And I have waited today for so long and this kind of drama happens!!
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
January 23 2010 11:16 GMT
#3242
so the new boxer X yellow rivalry arrives.
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 23 2010 11:16 GMT
#3243
On January 23 2010 20:12 Gorgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 20:11 d(O.o)a wrote:
On January 23 2010 20:10 Gorgy wrote:
What is LEE SSANG ROK?


Flash Bisu Stork Jaedong


THX


that's wrong

just flash vs jd
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
January 23 2010 11:16 GMT
#3244
Can't MBC show the replay until the moment of blackout? It'd be nice to have better closure, so people can properly decide for themselves.
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
January 23 2010 11:16 GMT
#3245
If Flash typed GG, then there would be little complaints.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
January 23 2010 11:17 GMT
#3246
On January 23 2010 20:14 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 20:08 d_so wrote:
On January 23 2010 19:59 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2010 19:56 d_so wrote:
look guys, konondra mentioned this earlier but the kespa rep clearly said they made their decision partly on leftover resources which in TvZ will always be in zerg's favor. to paraphrase, she said they made their decision based on units, bases and resources... but really, if flash won the fight at 7 -- which was possible -- there's no way you can say zerg is at an advatnage. flash's sci vessels at 7 were down, sure, but so were jaedong's defilers -- his last one got irradiated as soon as it came out of the nydus canal

Flash didn't have the vessel count to stop defilers. JD had defilers their with nydus to reinforce and consume. Without 6 or so vessels Flash couldn't break through. And without killing 7 he couldn't win. He did a 2 base allin, based around stopping JD taking a 4th gas. That was his entire build. He lost all his vessels and JD had defilers and ultras at 7. There was nothing Flash could do.


look i know you are the expert but you are convenient ignroing the fact that jaedong's last surviving deflier died to irradiate, as well as having no more than 4 ultras at his 7. now, he definitiely could have more etc and sent them through the nydus... but the question is whether he could have done this before flash ran through the dark swarm and attacked the base, especially since the first two swarms were close to running out.

odds are more likely that jaedong would have new defilers in time to stop the fight, new ultras to replenish the troops... but at that moment, the reality was there were no defilers, very few ultras, no lings, and flash still had a substantial mnm force, the first two swarms near the base were almost out, and flash had a sci vessel at the nydus canal waiting for any other defilers to come through.



yep, they just showed the replay.

Jaedong lost all his defilers and Flash just got a brand new set of MM reinforcements. Jeadong DID NOT have both gases up - he just built the second extractor and had low drone saturation.

From the way it looked Flash was going to kill 7. We don't know what Jaedong had at his base to push through the nydus. We DO know he had lings at 7 with sunkens and like 3 ultras with swarms running out. Flash's mineral expo WAS NOT up but he was maynarding SCVs.

This is why people need to stfu and stop making shit up. Jaedong had an advantage but was in a very tight spot. No one knows how it would have turned out but Flash was in control for sure. Likewise Flash's expansion wasn't even up.

That wasn't when the blackout happened. The game went on for another minute or so.
Jaedong
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
January 23 2010 11:17 GMT
#3247
Good thing Nal_Ra bailed out. Must suck being a MBC commentator right now.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
January 23 2010 11:17 GMT
#3248
On January 23 2010 20:11 alffla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 20:11 d(O.o)a wrote:
On January 23 2010 20:10 Gorgy wrote:
What is LEE SSANG ROK?


Flash Bisu Stork Jaedong


lol no

Mr Lee rivalry -.-


ah shit I am stupid ^.^ 5 am rapes me.
Hi.
WheelOfTime
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada331 Posts
January 23 2010 11:17 GMT
#3249
They need a better Power Supply for the Virtual Studio.

I predict the power going down AGAIN, and the coaches choking the fuck out of Kespa and MBC.
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
January 23 2010 11:17 GMT
#3250
On January 23 2010 20:13 orgolove wrote:
If JD GG's immediately as a protest, I bet half of TL will become his fan instantly. Manly Dong.

haha that would be awesome but I think that would cause more problems
annYeong(o11)
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada784 Posts
January 23 2010 11:17 GMT
#3251
WTF?! first i wake up late for the MSL, now i hear there was a power outage, the player aren't on stages, it's inside a studio, and flash's dad was kicked out.

How did MBC fuck up the most epic final in years?

so there was a power outage and the refs awarded the game to whoever was ahead (jaedong, i'm guessing) and flash is pissed, is this more or less right?
Founder of the KiWiKaKi Fanclub: teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188537 my keyboard is like half broken. like terran. please ignore typos, thanks
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
January 23 2010 11:17 GMT
#3252
On January 23 2010 20:16 domane wrote:
Can't MBC show the replay until the moment of blackout? It'd be nice to have better closure, so people can properly decide for themselves.


there is no cow lev.. replay !?
hatred outlives the hateful
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
January 23 2010 11:17 GMT
#3253
On January 23 2010 20:14 noojOh wrote:
wtf is going on with the world
MBC and NBC are such dicks
MBC hates flash
NBC hates conan


Ohhhh I see the similarity. NBC - N + M = MBC!!!

Also, MBC hates starcraft fans + players in general.
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
BraveNewWorld
Profile Joined December 2009
United States229 Posts
January 23 2010 11:17 GMT
#3254
On January 23 2010 20:14 noojOh wrote:
wtf is going on with the world
MBC and NBC are such dicks
MBC hates flash
NBC hates conan


life suddenly makes sense now!
"who is bisu anyway" - torm3ntin (Jan. 19th, 2009)
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2071 Posts
January 23 2010 11:17 GMT
#3255
this is gonna spoil flash and jaedong's friendship..... fucking MBC
Oppa feeding style
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
January 23 2010 11:17 GMT
#3256
I stand by my earlier statements even more vehemently, and after seeing that VoD there is no way anybody can say that Jaedong deserved a free Win.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
January 23 2010 11:17 GMT
#3257
hahahaha jaedong stood up and his legs were covered by the floor
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
January 23 2010 11:17 GMT
#3258
4chan is having a field day with this shit LOL
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Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
January 23 2010 11:18 GMT
#3259
I feel sorry for the commentators.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
January 23 2010 11:18 GMT
#3260
On January 23 2010 20:14 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 20:08 d_so wrote:
On January 23 2010 19:59 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2010 19:56 d_so wrote:
look guys, konondra mentioned this earlier but the kespa rep clearly said they made their decision partly on leftover resources which in TvZ will always be in zerg's favor. to paraphrase, she said they made their decision based on units, bases and resources... but really, if flash won the fight at 7 -- which was possible -- there's no way you can say zerg is at an advatnage. flash's sci vessels at 7 were down, sure, but so were jaedong's defilers -- his last one got irradiated as soon as it came out of the nydus canal

Flash didn't have the vessel count to stop defilers. JD had defilers their with nydus to reinforce and consume. Without 6 or so vessels Flash couldn't break through. And without killing 7 he couldn't win. He did a 2 base allin, based around stopping JD taking a 4th gas. That was his entire build. He lost all his vessels and JD had defilers and ultras at 7. There was nothing Flash could do.


look i know you are the expert but you are convenient ignroing the fact that jaedong's last surviving deflier died to irradiate, as well as having no more than 4 ultras at his 7. now, he definitiely could have more etc and sent them through the nydus... but the question is whether he could have done this before flash ran through the dark swarm and attacked the base, especially since the first two swarms were close to running out.

odds are more likely that jaedong would have new defilers in time to stop the fight, new ultras to replenish the troops... but at that moment, the reality was there were no defilers, very few ultras, no lings, and flash still had a substantial mnm force, the first two swarms near the base were almost out, and flash had a sci vessel at the nydus canal waiting for any other defilers to come through.



yep, they just showed the replay.

Jaedong lost all his defilers and Flash just got a brand new set of MM reinforcements. Jeadong DID NOT have both gases up - he just built the second extractor and had low drone saturation.

From the way it looked Flash was going to kill 7. We don't know what Jaedong had at his base to push through the nydus. We DO know he had lings at 7 with sunkens and like 3 ultras with swarms running out. Flash's mineral expo WAS NOT up but he was maynarding SCVs.

This is why people need to stfu and stop making shit up. Jaedong had an advantage but was in a very tight spot. No one knows how it would have turned out but Flash was in control for sure. Likewise Flash's expansion wasn't even up.


Finally... Thank you!

"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
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