ROFL I seriously can't believe your post. Go look up the number of times Jaedong 4/5 pooled some asshole into submission and the 9 pool vs fantasy. Like... REALLY???

Skyhigh: retaliation
Fantasy: lots of retaliation
Hwasin: The only cheese without retaliation.

Good use of those facts, btw, and we're not even talking about other games or their overall reputation but THIS CASE IN PARTICULAR.

Ikonn

Netherlands1958 Posts

December 25 2009 10:08 GMT

#764

On December 25 2009 19:05 thopol wrote:
You Flash fanboys are laughable. You would rather your player win than watch a good game. I have no preference in the matchup, I just want to watch good StarCraft. The game should have been disappointing to all SC fans, JD or Flash alignment notwithstanding. I appreciate the fact that it was a well-executed cheese and that JD should not have gotten greedy in trying to let his 2nd hatch finish in addition to defending. I understand how Flash legitimately won the series and played the better game each time.

I cannot come to terms with how Flash wanted to be respected like Jaedong is, and still did a cheesy build. He wanted to be seen as his rival, and a legitimate victory tonight would have earned him the coveted title of JD's rival. I can't believe Flash fan's enjoyed that. I can't see him gaining any respect in the eyes of fans for that. It was nothing but a massive disappointment.

EDIT: Even if I weren't a Calm fan I would be pulling for him to smash Flash in the semis because of the shit we have just witnessed.

So what would you prefer: Calm cheeses Flash out of the semi's or you see 'good' games and Flash wins?

And he may not be gaining respect in the eyes of the foreign fans. Korean fans don't seem to have this ridiculous 'cheesing = cheating' idea.

Myxomatosis

United States2392 Posts

December 25 2009 10:08 GMT

#765

On December 25 2009 19:07 OneOther wrote:

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have you seen flash's last 15 tvzs?

so what about his last 15 TvZ? Flash has cheesed in big matches before and it is obnoxious

skronch

United States2717 Posts

December 25 2009 10:08 GMT

#766

On December 25 2009 19:07 Plexa wrote:

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Tell me. Would you rather watch game 1 again, but on HBR? or the game we just witnessed?

do you really think that every game that two progamers play standard will play out the same? should the jaedong vs. bisu showmatch just been a bo1?

johnnyspazz

Taiwan1470 Posts

December 25 2009 10:08 GMT

#767

Quick question, was there this much outcry with (T)

BoxeR bunker rushed (Z)

YellOw three times in a row in a bo5?

Xxio

Canada5565 Posts

December 25 2009 10:08 GMT

#768

just stfu all of you

Flash won. he was better. that's all.

Kazius

Israel1456 Posts

December 25 2009 10:08 GMT

#769

JD could have known that it was an 8rax build by the fact that the overlord got attacked very early. Instead of pool before hatchery and putting up some sunken colonies, he thought "lol, I'm Lee Jae Dong, and this ain't gonna work", and then he lost his overlord, and didn't cancel and put up a defense. And when the bunker was up, he could have just retreated and played for one base tech - just like the average Terran does against 9pool speed builds, instead, he tried to all-in and take the bunker down when 5 SCVs were repairing it and was left with two drones when the dust settled. This is a list of things JD could, and should, have done better.

Flash won the first game, so he knew that worst case, it would throw JD off, and would give him a psychological edge for the final game. I called a BBS in the chat, but Flash is more solid a player than I am

BanZu

United States3329 Posts

December 25 2009 10:08 GMT

#770

I have to say, I'm somewhat glad that Flash cheesed.

I'm not sure why...

Crunchums

United States11144 Posts

December 25 2009 10:08 GMT

#771

Chill out dudes it's not like Jaedong was going to beat Flash anyway

Tyxiquale

Australia424 Posts

December 25 2009 10:08 GMT

#772

what's with the flash hate? almoyst EVERY, and I mean EVERY zerg he's played against has 12-hatched against him in the last 20 games.

Adding some unpredictability, some aggressiveness and some cheese is ALWAYS good for your play.

I think flash did the right thing, cos now Zero will be thinking twice about his game tmr.

MountainDewJunkie

United States10346 Posts

December 25 2009 10:08 GMT

#773

It was, in fact, the perfect bunker rush, at the perfect moment. But it was still a bunker rush. So... yeah. Jaedong was absolutely destroyed in this series. What else is there to say?

HKriceboy88

United States248 Posts

December 25 2009 10:08 GMT

#774

On December 25 2009 19:08 Bill Murray wrote:

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BAN?

BANNNNNN

jalstar

United States8198 Posts

December 25 2009 10:08 GMT

#775

On December 25 2009 19:08 BanZu wrote:
I have to say, I'm somewhat glad that Flash cheesed.

I'm not sure why...

Because Calm will be afraid to 12 hatch in the semis, making Flash's life easier.

UGC4

Peru532 Posts

December 25 2009 10:09 GMT

#776

another poll!

Poll: Which cheese by Flash was more obvious?
(Vote): Flash vs Jaedong set #2 EVER OSL 2009
(Vote): Flash vs Effort Ro16 BACCHUS OSL 2009

TL has spoken. Jaedong and Effort should have both expected Flash to cheese them in their respective games.

i guess players dont exactly expect flash to cheese because of his macro style? but yah i agree...should have expected it!

Avidkeystamper

United States8556 Posts

December 25 2009 10:09 GMT

#777

On December 25 2009 19:07 Fontong wrote:

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Wow I never knew you were such a fanboy

Are you reading the ludicrousness of that post? Even chill says it's cheese.

DragoonPK

3259 Posts

December 25 2009 10:09 GMT

#778

I am pretty disappointed in how that game ended, Flash did the strategy he thought would get him to win and he won. I know I hate him for doing that but honestly he just did a really perfectly executed cheese and JD tried everything he could but failed at it.. Its a tactic and a win is a win, oh well what can you do =[.