• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:47
CEST 21:47
KST 04:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism3Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?114Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over3New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!46
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL: II Winner Will Earn a Spot at HSC 30! Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) 2026 GSTL Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon? Pros React To: Calm's Big Brain Play Vs Mini New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group B 2v2v2v2 Tournament [ASL22] Ro16 Group A [ASL22] Ro24 Group F
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread EVE Corporation Diablo IV [Maplestory Hardcore] Let's Play~!! General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
F* the Children and Get Off …
TrAiDoS
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Regacy Esports: The Bh…
regacyesports
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8351 users

[OSL] Ever OSL - Ro8 Week 2 - Page 36

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 34 35 36 37 38 143 Next
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#701
PvZ on elnino, calm got this.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#702
On December 25 2009 18:58 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 18:56 Geo.Rion wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:55 Plexa wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:54 Cambium wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:53 MuffinDude wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:51 sleeepy wrote:
@ Jaedong fans:

8 rax isn't cheese. It wasn't even that much of a proxy, just a forward rax outside the normal ovie scouting pattern. Plus, Jaedong scouted it anyways, he should have reacted better. Flash played better and that's why he won.

Jaedong scouted the fucking marine that killed the overlord. Not the fucking cheese, and yes this is a fucking cheese. I'm not even a jaedong fan and i'm disappointed.


It's not cheese...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=108196
If Jaedong didn't realise that the timing of the marine was that of an 8rax he deserves to lose that game seeing that marine gave jaedong all the information he needed. Jaedong fucked up, Flash didnt. End of discussion!

what 8 rax ffs? Learn to count
i didn't see what rax it was, but it was rax before supply so regardless, the marine timing was significantly earlier. Point still stands.


It was 8rax

OGN's build counter only counts units that are 100% built

Otherwise Jaedong was at 9 supply after his overlord built and larva spent and he did 11 hatch
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#703
On December 25 2009 19:01 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 18:59 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:58 Plexa wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:56 Geo.Rion wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:55 Plexa wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:54 Cambium wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:53 MuffinDude wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:51 sleeepy wrote:
@ Jaedong fans:

8 rax isn't cheese. It wasn't even that much of a proxy, just a forward rax outside the normal ovie scouting pattern. Plus, Jaedong scouted it anyways, he should have reacted better. Flash played better and that's why he won.

Jaedong scouted the fucking marine that killed the overlord. Not the fucking cheese, and yes this is a fucking cheese. I'm not even a jaedong fan and i'm disappointed.


It's not cheese...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=108196
If Jaedong didn't realise that the timing of the marine was that of an 8rax he deserves to lose that game seeing that marine gave jaedong all the information he needed. Jaedong fucked up, Flash didnt. End of discussion!

what 8 rax ffs? Learn to count
i didn't see what rax it was, but it was rax before supply so regardless, the marine timing was significantly earlier. Point still stands.

He lost an overlord because of the changed terran of HBR. Are you arguing that a proxy whatever rax followed by pulled SCVs and a bunker rush is NOT cheese?
No I'm arguing that Jaedong should have known what was coming rofl of course it was cheese but it's not like Jaedong didn't have sufficient information to know the cheese was coming. He should have cancelled the hatch at the very least.

Almost all the strategy threads I read say not to cancel the hatchery. And he lost an overlord. I bolded it to draw emphasis.
Jaedong
endGame
Profile Joined June 2009
United States394 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#704
Zerg doesn't expect Terran to be exceptionally aggressive in the early game, so they early expand. Flash, expecting this proxied a rax, scouted an early expansion and punished Jaedong. Call it cheese or a sound strategy, Flash beat Jaedong. The OSL is a competition and this is competitive gaming. Players do whatever they can to win.
"...As the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must." -Thucydides
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#705
On December 25 2009 18:59 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 18:57 Crunchums wrote:
all you people should be raging at the OSL for the fact that Flash vs Jaedong was a quarterfinals matchup. the MSL does not have this problem

Disagree. Flash vs Jaedong as a bo5 would be even more of a let down.

Less of a let down than a bo5 finals between Flash and anyone other than Stork though. Barring Stork making the finals (which would be AMAZING) Flash is going to rape his way to an OSL victory - and I'll be happy that a deserving player can claim another title - but it won't be interesting.
brood war for life, brood war forever
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#706
Stork, Movie or Shine to win OSL!
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#707
On December 25 2009 19:02 Fontong wrote:
Well I guess this match shows who is smarter, and the answer is clearly flash.


hahahaha brilliant.
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#708
LOL what a quarrel. Don't bother Calm is winning this OSL anyways.
Flash returns...
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#709
On December 25 2009 19:01 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Why Flash's strategy was cheese:
If Jaedong built some pool first build order to prevent Flash from bunker rushing, Flash would be wayyyy behind economically

true story


Wrong. If Jaedong went 9 pool he would have lost his overlord and won't be able to build lings and Flash would have stayed in his base and still have an advantage. Don't get me wrong, Flash's build does not hold the advantage against all other Zerg builds, but if you add the lost overlord, it has an advantage against any 9 pool / 12 hatch build.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#710
On December 25 2009 19:02 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 19:00 Malinor wrote:

On another note, I believe it was 7rax.


7 at most, I saw 7/x while the rax was building.

it said 7 while it was definitely 8. does it not count units that are building?
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#711
On December 25 2009 19:02 lazz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 19:00 IdrA wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:59 Geo.Rion wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:58 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Are people seriously arguing that a proxy 8 rax, followed by a bunker with pulled SCVs is not cheese?

Am i the only one who actually counted when the observers showed Flash's mieralilines and pointed out every single one of those 6 scvs?

all 6 of those scvs + the one building + the one on the barracks

Yeah I was about to say. lol


so 8rax?
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
mmgoose
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
769 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#712
no such thing as "cheese" it's just a risky early aggression that punishes those who should've known better.
And you know if a grandmother had a penis she would be a grandfather.
Myxomatosis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2392 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#713
On December 25 2009 19:00 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 18:59 Myxomatosis wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:55 Lebesgue wrote:
Flash never cheeses. I was waiting till Flash cheese for once and he finaly did. Mixing cheese with the standard play will only make him that much more dangerous.

you're either a troll, retarded, or both.

are you a retarded troll?

what lebesgue said is true. the commentators were saying the same thing the entire time as well.

flash never cheeses? are you fucking kidding me?
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
December 25 2009 10:04 GMT
#714
It's that damn new map. Zergs will have to re-route their ovies from now on because i'd bet more terran start sniping that first one that can no longer hide on cliffs.

A very harsh side-effect for zerg on this map post-changes.
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
December 25 2009 10:04 GMT
#715
I'm a JD fan and don't care at all about flash

still, i'm not mad at flash, i'm one of the few people that thinks cheesing is a nice strats, since it helps a lot the mind games thar happens in starcraft

Don't be bitter JD fans!
BW is back
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
December 25 2009 10:04 GMT
#716
On December 25 2009 19:03 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 19:02 jalstar wrote:
On December 25 2009 19:00 Malinor wrote:

On another note, I believe it was 7rax.


7 at most, I saw 7/x while the rax was building.

it said 7 while it was definitely 8. does it not count units that are building?


It doesn't.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
December 25 2009 10:04 GMT
#717
And as Naruto already said, even if JD had fended this off, he would have been EVEN at best. the way he reacted to the rush was just not good, getting his 2nd sunken in range of the bunker for example.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
December 25 2009 10:04 GMT
#718
I both rather like Movie and Pure (and Stork ofcourse but i've liked his style for ages), as opposed to Stats or Guemchi, so go protoss today!
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-25 10:05:22
December 25 2009 10:04 GMT
#719
On December 25 2009 19:02 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 19:00 Malinor wrote:

On another note, I believe it was 7rax.


7 at most, I saw 7/x while the rax was building.

i counted 6 when he was sending out his first SCV.
Idra says it's 8. While i do not respect him, he has slightly more knowledge about tvz than i have, so i wont argue on that anymore, but i'll chek the VOD
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
December 25 2009 10:04 GMT
#720
On December 25 2009 19:03 radadaundandan wrote:
LOL what a quarrel. Don't bother Calm is winning this OSL anyways.


True! ^_^
TranslatorBaa!
Prev 1 34 35 36 37 38 143 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 13m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 382
UpATreeSC 53
JuggernautJason38
MindelVK 24
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 15282
Calm 3201
Mini 487
Dewaltoss 169
Aegong 58
Yoon 24
Dota 2
monkeys_forever175
Counter-Strike
byalli1177
pashabiceps747
Other Games
summit1g5926
Liquid`RaSZi2716
Grubby2371
fl0m884
FrodaN790
Beastyqt631
mouzStarbuck394
shahzam393
KnowMe220
IndyStarCraft 141
RotterdaM95
C9.Mang081
Trikslyr67
Chillindude18
Organizations
Other Games
WardiTV372
BasetradeTV39
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 5
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki52
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2856
• WagamamaTV536
League of Legends
• TFBlade818
Other Games
• imaqtpie1108
• Shiphtur265
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
4h 13m
Kung Fu Cup
15h 13m
Replay Cast
1d 4h
The PondCast
1d 14h
KCM Race Survival
1d 14h
Escore
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
4 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Clem vs TBD
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
BlizzCon
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-02
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
RSL Revival: Season 6
Calamity Invitational
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.