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MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#701
PvZ on elnino, calm got this.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#702
On December 25 2009 18:58 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 18:56 Geo.Rion wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:55 Plexa wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:54 Cambium wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:53 MuffinDude wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:51 sleeepy wrote:
@ Jaedong fans:

8 rax isn't cheese. It wasn't even that much of a proxy, just a forward rax outside the normal ovie scouting pattern. Plus, Jaedong scouted it anyways, he should have reacted better. Flash played better and that's why he won.

Jaedong scouted the fucking marine that killed the overlord. Not the fucking cheese, and yes this is a fucking cheese. I'm not even a jaedong fan and i'm disappointed.


It's not cheese...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=108196
If Jaedong didn't realise that the timing of the marine was that of an 8rax he deserves to lose that game seeing that marine gave jaedong all the information he needed. Jaedong fucked up, Flash didnt. End of discussion!

what 8 rax ffs? Learn to count
i didn't see what rax it was, but it was rax before supply so regardless, the marine timing was significantly earlier. Point still stands.


It was 8rax

OGN's build counter only counts units that are 100% built

Otherwise Jaedong was at 9 supply after his overlord built and larva spent and he did 11 hatch
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#703
On December 25 2009 19:01 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 18:59 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:58 Plexa wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:56 Geo.Rion wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:55 Plexa wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:54 Cambium wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:53 MuffinDude wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:51 sleeepy wrote:
@ Jaedong fans:

8 rax isn't cheese. It wasn't even that much of a proxy, just a forward rax outside the normal ovie scouting pattern. Plus, Jaedong scouted it anyways, he should have reacted better. Flash played better and that's why he won.

Jaedong scouted the fucking marine that killed the overlord. Not the fucking cheese, and yes this is a fucking cheese. I'm not even a jaedong fan and i'm disappointed.


It's not cheese...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=108196
If Jaedong didn't realise that the timing of the marine was that of an 8rax he deserves to lose that game seeing that marine gave jaedong all the information he needed. Jaedong fucked up, Flash didnt. End of discussion!

what 8 rax ffs? Learn to count
i didn't see what rax it was, but it was rax before supply so regardless, the marine timing was significantly earlier. Point still stands.

He lost an overlord because of the changed terran of HBR. Are you arguing that a proxy whatever rax followed by pulled SCVs and a bunker rush is NOT cheese?
No I'm arguing that Jaedong should have known what was coming rofl of course it was cheese but it's not like Jaedong didn't have sufficient information to know the cheese was coming. He should have cancelled the hatch at the very least.

Almost all the strategy threads I read say not to cancel the hatchery. And he lost an overlord. I bolded it to draw emphasis.
Jaedong
endGame
Profile Joined June 2009
United States394 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#704
Zerg doesn't expect Terran to be exceptionally aggressive in the early game, so they early expand. Flash, expecting this proxied a rax, scouted an early expansion and punished Jaedong. Call it cheese or a sound strategy, Flash beat Jaedong. The OSL is a competition and this is competitive gaming. Players do whatever they can to win.
"...As the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must." -Thucydides
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#705
On December 25 2009 18:59 Plexa wrote:
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On December 25 2009 18:57 Crunchums wrote:
all you people should be raging at the OSL for the fact that Flash vs Jaedong was a quarterfinals matchup. the MSL does not have this problem

Disagree. Flash vs Jaedong as a bo5 would be even more of a let down.

Less of a let down than a bo5 finals between Flash and anyone other than Stork though. Barring Stork making the finals (which would be AMAZING) Flash is going to rape his way to an OSL victory - and I'll be happy that a deserving player can claim another title - but it won't be interesting.
brood war for life, brood war forever
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#706
Stork, Movie or Shine to win OSL!
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#707
On December 25 2009 19:02 Fontong wrote:
Well I guess this match shows who is smarter, and the answer is clearly flash.


hahahaha brilliant.
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#708
LOL what a quarrel. Don't bother Calm is winning this OSL anyways.
Flash returns...
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#709
On December 25 2009 19:01 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Why Flash's strategy was cheese:
If Jaedong built some pool first build order to prevent Flash from bunker rushing, Flash would be wayyyy behind economically

true story


Wrong. If Jaedong went 9 pool he would have lost his overlord and won't be able to build lings and Flash would have stayed in his base and still have an advantage. Don't get me wrong, Flash's build does not hold the advantage against all other Zerg builds, but if you add the lost overlord, it has an advantage against any 9 pool / 12 hatch build.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#710
On December 25 2009 19:02 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 19:00 Malinor wrote:

On another note, I believe it was 7rax.


7 at most, I saw 7/x while the rax was building.

it said 7 while it was definitely 8. does it not count units that are building?
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#711
On December 25 2009 19:02 lazz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 19:00 IdrA wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:59 Geo.Rion wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:58 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Are people seriously arguing that a proxy 8 rax, followed by a bunker with pulled SCVs is not cheese?

Am i the only one who actually counted when the observers showed Flash's mieralilines and pointed out every single one of those 6 scvs?

all 6 of those scvs + the one building + the one on the barracks

Yeah I was about to say. lol


so 8rax?
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
mmgoose
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
769 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#712
no such thing as "cheese" it's just a risky early aggression that punishes those who should've known better.
And you know if a grandmother had a penis she would be a grandfather.
Myxomatosis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2392 Posts
December 25 2009 10:03 GMT
#713
On December 25 2009 19:00 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 18:59 Myxomatosis wrote:
On December 25 2009 18:55 Lebesgue wrote:
Flash never cheeses. I was waiting till Flash cheese for once and he finaly did. Mixing cheese with the standard play will only make him that much more dangerous.

you're either a troll, retarded, or both.

are you a retarded troll?

what lebesgue said is true. the commentators were saying the same thing the entire time as well.

flash never cheeses? are you fucking kidding me?
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
December 25 2009 10:04 GMT
#714
It's that damn new map. Zergs will have to re-route their ovies from now on because i'd bet more terran start sniping that first one that can no longer hide on cliffs.

A very harsh side-effect for zerg on this map post-changes.
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
December 25 2009 10:04 GMT
#715
I'm a JD fan and don't care at all about flash

still, i'm not mad at flash, i'm one of the few people that thinks cheesing is a nice strats, since it helps a lot the mind games thar happens in starcraft

Don't be bitter JD fans!
BW is back
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
December 25 2009 10:04 GMT
#716
On December 25 2009 19:03 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 19:02 jalstar wrote:
On December 25 2009 19:00 Malinor wrote:

On another note, I believe it was 7rax.


7 at most, I saw 7/x while the rax was building.

it said 7 while it was definitely 8. does it not count units that are building?


It doesn't.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
December 25 2009 10:04 GMT
#717
And as Naruto already said, even if JD had fended this off, he would have been EVEN at best. the way he reacted to the rush was just not good, getting his 2nd sunken in range of the bunker for example.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
December 25 2009 10:04 GMT
#718
I both rather like Movie and Pure (and Stork ofcourse but i've liked his style for ages), as opposed to Stats or Guemchi, so go protoss today!
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-25 10:05:22
December 25 2009 10:04 GMT
#719
On December 25 2009 19:02 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 19:00 Malinor wrote:

On another note, I believe it was 7rax.


7 at most, I saw 7/x while the rax was building.

i counted 6 when he was sending out his first SCV.
Idra says it's 8. While i do not respect him, he has slightly more knowledge about tvz than i have, so i wont argue on that anymore, but i'll chek the VOD
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
December 25 2009 10:04 GMT
#720
On December 25 2009 19:03 radadaundandan wrote:
LOL what a quarrel. Don't bother Calm is winning this OSL anyways.


True! ^_^
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