• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:21
CEST 20:21
KST 03:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four0BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET6Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO85.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)80Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up3
StarCraft 2
General
The New Patch Killed Mech! Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy herO joins T1 Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting
Tourneys
SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 INu's Battles #13 - ByuN vs Zoun Tenacious Turtle Tussle Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $1,200 WardiTV October (Oct 21st-31st)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers
Brood War
General
BSL Season 21 BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW caster Sayle BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET
Tourneys
Azhi's Colosseum - Anonymous Tournament [ASL20] Semifinal B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN
Strategy
Current Meta BW - ajfirecracker Strategy & Training Relatively freeroll strategies Siegecraft - a new perspective
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Men's Fashion Thread Sex and weight loss
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Series you have seen recently... Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Heroism of Pepe the Fro…
Peanutsc
Rocket League: Traits, Abili…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1518 users

[OSL] Ever OSL - Ro8 Week 2 - Page 142

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 140 141 142 143 Next
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
December 26 2009 07:37 GMT
#2821
I thought his wall-off did form a complete wall...it's just that because of his position, his marines and vultures spawned outside the wall where JD just picked them off easily.

Either way it was pretty dumb of Fantasy. Even if your strategy works on 3 out of 4 starting positions, your plan for what to do if you spawn in that one bad position shouldn't be "just hope he doesn't 9pool"
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
December 26 2009 07:46 GMT
#2822
On December 26 2009 16:37 Hinanawi wrote:
I thought his wall-off did form a complete wall...it's just that because of his position, his marines and vultures spawned outside the wall where JD just picked them off easily.

Either way it was pretty dumb of Fantasy. Even if your strategy works on 3 out of 4 starting positions, your plan for what to do if you spawn in that one bad position shouldn't be "just hope he doesn't 9pool"

considering he just got 4 pooled i figure Fantasy thought that no way in hell would JD early pool again. bad decision obviously. that or he didnt have alot of faith in his plan B.
remembervhs
Profile Joined September 2009
11 Posts
December 26 2009 07:49 GMT
#2823
If I recall correctly, fantasy's big mistake was vs the 4 pool. He had a bunker up with rines inside, but he took his scvs off repair duty too early and couldn't bring them back fast enough so the bunker dropped.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
December 26 2009 07:51 GMT
#2824
Yeah, if he had just kept two SCVs on the bunker he would have won that game easily.

Is anyone making an MSL thread? It starts in like 8 minutes...
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Draffut
Profile Joined July 2009
United States128 Posts
December 26 2009 08:25 GMT
#2825
On December 26 2009 16:20 johanes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2009 15:54 Draffut wrote:
On December 25 2009 23:22 timmeh wrote:
Loving all the Shine hate.

Apparently he sucks so much, yet he beat the supposed much better player that is Stork. I wonder who played the better game?


Stork did, 3 times.

No, he didn't. He may have played game that is better for your eyes, but better game is decided by result, thus shine's play was superior


So the sole factor of who played better, is the winner. So every Terran that was destroyed on Battle Royal by zerg just played way worse, it wasn't the map or any other factor?
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
December 26 2009 10:17 GMT
#2826
On December 26 2009 16:10 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2009 13:38 MrHoon wrote:
FUCK STORK IS OUT WTF


Oh well atleast Flash Advanced

And please jaedong fans, don't talk as if Jaedong never ever cheeses.


Yeah but Flash almost always cheeses Jaedong in leagues at least 1 game .

No he doesn't. I seriously hope this was just a retarded trolling attempt.
dats racist
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
December 26 2009 12:03 GMT
#2827
Shine vs Movie. Shine should be the favored because El-Nino Heartbreak Ridge favors Zerg. I don't know too much about the mechanics of Starcraft, but how is it possible for Movie to win on El-Nino?
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
December 26 2009 18:59 GMT
#2828
Jaedong did the right thing under the circumstances. The only thing he could have done better was to target the scvs rather than the bunker and then let the sunken take the bunker down.

If he had canceled his hatch, flash would have thrown up a bunker at jaedongs choke and it would have been gg anyway.

I dont understand why all korean progamers attack the bunker with everything when the sunken is up and out of reach from the bunker. Just kill the scvs and ur safe!
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Hustla
Profile Joined August 2009
Russian Federation27 Posts
December 26 2009 19:04 GMT
#2829
that's right!
88
Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
December 26 2009 21:12 GMT
#2830
On December 26 2009 19:17 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2009 16:10 raga4ka wrote:
On December 26 2009 13:38 MrHoon wrote:
FUCK STORK IS OUT WTF


Oh well atleast Flash Advanced

And please jaedong fans, don't talk as if Jaedong never ever cheeses.


Yeah but Flash almost always cheeses Jaedong in leagues at least 1 game .

No he doesn't. I seriously hope this was just a retarded trolling attempt.


Its just that we didnt get 1 good game between both. Game 1 was just JD being retarded and Game 2 was Flash cheesing. So much hype for almost nothing.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
December 26 2009 21:18 GMT
#2831
Flash doesn't owe you anything. He's just out to win games.
Zeridian
Profile Joined April 2009
United States198 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-26 21:22:24
December 26 2009 21:21 GMT
#2832
If your guy wins it's not cheese, but if he loses the other player is a gay cheesing ***got, damn I wonder how I would feel if I was trying to live off starcraft, and all these people on side rated you solely based off your strategies to win. I guess in the end the results are moot in comparison to what people really want.

BTW: shine's games did not come off as sloppy to me, rather he missed a few shuttles he could've killed with scourges and missed a DT or two, but he still won... I see plenty of people who are a lot worse than shine get up to finals of starleagues. Give someone some credit who really trucked it out through a hardass bracket.
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
December 26 2009 22:35 GMT
#2833
On December 25 2009 21:00 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2009 20:56 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On December 25 2009 20:40 Chen wrote:
worst. Storm drop. Ever. Loses the shuttle afterwards as well


That drop looked pretty good to me!

you are soooo fucking late. Im talking about the one where he gets 0 drones cause he tried to storm some that were running away.


Btw Chen, now that the VOD is out, I can explain to you why I disagree with your post.

Go watch from 16:34 to 16:50 of game 2.

You know, that fail storm drop that also had a DT fall out the shuttle's ass...which proceeded to rack up 9 drone kills + a sunk.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6638 Posts
December 27 2009 13:11 GMT
#2834
On December 25 2009 21:21 Xiphos wrote:
Well, I can ACTUALLY find a replay of a D level Iccup player mine out the backdoor mineral patches and then attempt to make a zergling runby, ruin the toss' economy and then just send in Mutalisk to get the main with a followup of Hydra break. You don't even need 200 apm for that!

Against a D level toss....

So hilarious all the hate for Shine, people are so illogical, if someone wins their games then they're the ones you want to see in the next round, you can't just dismiss the guy who's been owning everyone just because you think he doesn't deserve to be there, if he got there he deserves it...
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
December 27 2009 16:12 GMT
#2835
Man, there was a moment in the Ro16 when Flash, Jaedong, Stork, and Fantasy were all up 1-0, and I was imagining what it would be like to have that as them as the semifinalists...

t.t
May the BeSt man win.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-27 21:20:26
December 27 2009 21:18 GMT
#2836
I just tried Flash's build on HBR, it works wonders! I played three games and won all of them.

1st game:
I don't think my opponent was aware of the build, so it went exactly like the game Flash did against JD. Sniped OL then bunker rushed to victory. (C+)

2nd game:
Zerg opened with 9 pool scouted with a late drone and OL, sniped both OL and the drone, and FE'd with Mech, and then won. (C)

3rd game:
Zerg opened with 9 pool and scouted my rax with an early drone. Did not snipe anything. Zerg made 6 lings, but I FE'd, defended with a bunker, went with mech, and won with relative ease. (B-)

So... the build definitely provides an advantage at mid-level at least.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
December 27 2009 21:23 GMT
#2837
On December 28 2009 06:18 Cambium wrote:
I just tried Flash's build on HBR, it works wonders! I played three games and won all of them.

1st game:
I don't think my opponent was aware of the build, so it went exactly like the game Flash did against JD. Sniped OL then bunker rushed to victory. (C+)

2nd game:
Zerg opened with 9 pool scouted with a late drone and OL, sniped both OL and the drone, and FE'd with Mech, and then won. (C)

3rd game:
Zerg opened with 9 pool and scouted my rax with an early drone. Did not snipe anything. Zerg made 6 lings, but I FE'd, defended with a bunker, went with mech, and won with relative ease. (B-)

So... the build definitely provides an advantage at mid-level at least.


8rax on HBR is damn strong since zergs will ALWAYS send out their OL towards your base and there's no place to save your OL.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
December 27 2009 21:32 GMT
#2838
On December 28 2009 06:23 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2009 06:18 Cambium wrote:
I just tried Flash's build on HBR, it works wonders! I played three games and won all of them.

1st game:
I don't think my opponent was aware of the build, so it went exactly like the game Flash did against JD. Sniped OL then bunker rushed to victory. (C+)

2nd game:
Zerg opened with 9 pool scouted with a late drone and OL, sniped both OL and the drone, and FE'd with Mech, and then won. (C)

3rd game:
Zerg opened with 9 pool and scouted my rax with an early drone. Did not snipe anything. Zerg made 6 lings, but I FE'd, defended with a bunker, went with mech, and won with relative ease. (B-)

So... the build definitely provides an advantage at mid-level at least.


8rax on HBR is damn strong since zergs will ALWAYS send out their OL towards your base and there's no place to save your OL.

i went 7
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-27 22:28:18
December 27 2009 22:26 GMT
#2839
So was this 7rax play timing on HBR something new, or something that only works on the New HBR? Or was it something that people have been doing for a long time, and Flash just executed it well?

I'm going to laugh if Terran winrate on HBR suddenly shoots way, way up because Zergs keep getting their OL sniped. But wouldn't 7rax be hard countered by 9pooling and just not sending your OL out? After learning your lesson having your OL sniped by that build a few times, of course.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8554 Posts
December 27 2009 22:28 GMT
#2840
On December 27 2009 06:12 Gumbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2009 19:17 MrHoon wrote:
On December 26 2009 16:10 raga4ka wrote:
On December 26 2009 13:38 MrHoon wrote:
FUCK STORK IS OUT WTF


Oh well atleast Flash Advanced

And please jaedong fans, don't talk as if Jaedong never ever cheeses.


Yeah but Flash almost always cheeses Jaedong in leagues at least 1 game .

No he doesn't. I seriously hope this was just a retarded trolling attempt.


Its just that we didnt get 1 good game between both. Game 1 was just JD being retarded and Game 2 was Flash cheesing. So much hype for almost nothing.

Flash cheesed in the GSL.
FBH in the Bacchus OSL
Bunker rush in the MSL
Bunker rush last Bacchus OSL
Bunker rush EVER 08 OSL.

never ever ever
Jaedong
Prev 1 140 141 142 143 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
16:00
#27
WardiTV1347
TKL 407
IndyStarCraft 289
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
TKL 407
IndyStarCraft 289
BRAT_OK 125
UpATreeSC 98
Codebar 46
MindelVK 19
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 20155
Calm 3816
Sea 3224
GuemChi 1260
Bisu 993
Mini 571
EffOrt 488
Larva 162
Dewaltoss 118
Soulkey 92
[ Show more ]
Hyun 66
TY 60
Snow 49
Aegong 36
ggaemo 30
JYJ26
scan(afreeca) 17
HiyA 13
Movie 11
SilentControl 8
Shine 5
Dota 2
qojqva5151
Dendi1399
BananaSlamJamma231
Counter-Strike
fl0m1441
FunKaTv 42
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor240
Other Games
Grubby1807
FrodaN1287
ScreaM834
Beastyqt833
ceh9628
mouzStarbuck193
C9.Mang0160
ToD158
ArmadaUGS126
KnowMe121
Skadoodle109
Trikslyr48
Mew2King45
OptimusSC21
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL578
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• kabyraGe 81
• iHatsuTV 13
• Reevou 4
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3124
League of Legends
• Nemesis5557
• imaqtpie2253
Other Games
• Shiphtur224
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 39m
Wardi Open
16h 39m
Wardi Open
20h 9m
PiGosaur Monday
1d 5h
Replay Cast
1d 15h
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
OSC
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Online Event
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Snow vs Soma
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.